Too late to edit my previous post... this does sound like a great deal. Please count Team Homegrown onboard if possible.

We just signed up.
Our cash program is in the sig.

Thanks, Team PR

RK

Looking at the graphics on the site. http://www.paidperview.com/images/screen01.gif

For every impression it is $0.01 so this would be the most expensive Tube site traffic around or that I've seen.

If a producer could get $0.01 for each impressions produced at a major tube site, that would be 1998 all over again, tell me where to signup...:winkwink:

I want in

I think that's just an example screenshot, it's not supposed to be taken literally. :upsidedow

You always have the option of ignoring their offer and get to keep 100% of nothing - however, if you look at it a different way ... and take what Dave is saying here below into consideration. Not only will you make $ by getting paid per view ... but just like every other content partnership program - you stand to have affiliate sales generated by the banner below the player.

That PPV now sounds like a free bonus if you look at it that way :2 cents:

Add your content to their sites and they'll push you sales as an affiliate ... AND AS A BONUS they'll give you a share of the ad revenues.

Unless I'm reading it wrong ... that sounds like a good deal in today's market

:thumbsup :thumbsup

I think that producers could be shooting themselves in the foot by signing up for this. Why would anyone want to sign up and pay full price for a site when they can watch all of the content for free. Now I know that no site would put all of their content out there on this tube site but with so many full length movies on this tube site no customer would feel the need to pay for any one site. Most customers love variety.
The advertising revenues would have to be substantial to cover the loss of sign ups. Now I know that all of you might say "yes but these are extra customers you would not have gotten any other way" but that's an old argument. Todays porn surfers know all about tube sites, illegal download forums, etc.
Just my two cents. You all might get rich and prove me wrong.

Farrell do you produce content as well? I was looking at your submit program just the other day.

Homegrown Video still buys amateur videos
 

Yes and no, while I don't personally produce scenes anymore we still do what we have always done since day one - purchase productions from real shot at home style amateurs and from pro-am style producers.

We try and keep our Homegrown Video line true blue real deal amateur and use the pro-am stuff for our other niche themed series.

If you don't mind my asking, were you looking at Homegrown Submittals?

I can answer this...

It would be money you were previously not making before. If you submit to tubes and still haven't reached a worthwhile conversion ratio from the banners to your site, then watching your video get one million impressions or whatever won't be so disconcerting because you actually will be getting paid for people that looked at your scene but didn't go on to buy a membership.

We have dialed in conversions and know that getting paying customers from tubes is possible, regardless of it being free. So, the idea that we could make $$$ everytime a person watched a clip is icing on the cake.

Sounds good

Hey...
 

Hey the PR_ crew... how do I get my shit on there ? :helpme

That does sound good, how do we go about this? signup at your site and message you or?

is it ok to upload videos that have our branding in intro/ending, and a small text watermark bottom right? (I'm guessing its ok if you'll also be using the banners, but have to check)

Who do I need to blow to get in?
Phil

Far-L you said that 10 years ago and look at the state of the business today.

Yes this sounds like a great way to cut out the middle man and the problems of affiliates. Submit some videos to a high traffic Tube, get paid on Tube views. Here I see an opportunity for PR, sell a Hi Res version of the scene or a package of scenes from the same site. And have an affiliate link for the viewer to join the site. Might not be a great way to sign up members but it's something.

Better than putting it on a high traffic Tube that removes the watermark or demands 60% and give nothing from the advertising revenue to the content producer.

This allows site owners to submit their content to Tubes and get paid something for the free views, can the adverts support the payouts? Hope so.

It solves PR's problem of adding more of only their content to their tubes.

Damian, do you have any content to submit?

No friend of PR and their free Tube, yet this is a good idea to get something back.

He wasn't the only one. Tubes are a fact of life, not good for the porn industry.

Yet for some the best game in town for some.

Johnny Traffic said on another board that the Internet allowed direct access for te producer to the consumer. That situation for most lasted a few years. Today there is no direct access to the customer for most sites. Because affiliates are in between.

Manwin have to some extent gone direct. And a few others partly. Yet still the wall of affiliates between the producer and the customer remains. That wall costs billions of dollars in lost revenue to affiliates and from free porn. We have free porn and the consumer is well taught to expect it.

So is this the nub of an idea to take a step up?

Do away with affiliates, Set up huge legal Tube sites containing producers content, with links to buy the scene for cents or a dollar and a link to the site to join for a price that removes the affiliate?

No 50%-70%, no high PPS, no support, no advertising, no marketing to affiliates reduce the price accordingly. Let the consumer get a real taste of what the site contains, he's buying the Hi Res version or access to the whole site. For half the normal price.

I will now duck low because all the affiliates will scream and rubbish the idea. :party-smi

I'm off to http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/dog3.gif http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/dog1.gif http://smileys.messengertools.net/dogs/fetch.gif

Yes - I generate pro-am, perhaps Homegrown Submittals is more for actual ama?

I love you, Dave ...

very nice :thumbsup

I'll settle for a reach around

Paul you are welcome. I have shortened your posts and helped you get straight to the point in this condensed quote.
All of the words in the quote are yours, and in fact I agree with your quote as written above. :winkwink:

What I don't understand though is how getting a 20-30% cut of your full scene content under this is any better than getting a 50-60% (tracking problems and other things) cut of your short promo clips from affiliates?

To be honest paysite sales are so bad now due to all the piracy and people giving away full scene stuff that I make a majority of my revenue from cams and dating. That started last year.

Very interesting, looking forward to hearing more about this

as this "sneak peek" has turned into a ton of people signing up for the program, we're working hard to finish the site so it has all the info you guys need.

anyways, we just got the start of an FAQ up here

take a look, if it doesn't answer you questions, post them here and we will ad to the page as we go!

Dave is a Ninja!

ok whats your email?

I think this is a great idea. Good stuff

Actually that is my blog for everything related to submitting to us so it answers both true am and pro am questions. If you have a question about submitting though you are always welcome to hit me up directly at the email in my sig.

I have seen a lot of ups and downs in this biz, as have most folks.

To me, getting paid for impressions on our videos is great because that rewards us for having videos people want to watch on a super high traffic domain. Like I said, it was money we were not making previously so how can that be bad?

I feel fortunate that we are still around after 10 years to actually make any comments - and money - at all. Think about how many have gone the way of the dinosaur and disappeared forever only leaving some scant fossil record of their achievements in this biz.

Agree! :thumbsup

Very innovative twist to pay-per-view

Congrats guys looks good! I just signed up

Because they are paying you on views of your video PLUS keeping a banner to also send sign ups as a sponsor. Seems pretty clear to me that is better than getting nothing for one million plus people viewing your clip and possibly not clicking your banner or joining your site.

Hey PR Guys...
 

Ok I signed up under Trashy Content... keeping my fingers crossed we get approved :thumbsup

We also run a couple of affiliate programs so hopefully we can do a lot of work :winkwink:

How many people signing up are offering their affiliates 10 to 20 minute clips? Why not? Your average affiliate would push you a lot harder than just a little banner or link below the video. The 20-30% of revenue sounds nice but how do you know how much revenue there really is and how exactly is it being counted. And if you are operating a paysite with that content and you are giving a lot of it out aren't you just dilluting the value of your content and hurting your paysite sales as well as your affiliates? It seems a better deal for people who don't have paysites or no plan to open them. Unless you're just doing limited marketing.

Good questions...

We don't offer many clips that length, but truthfully it is not because it is something we have a problem with. In my mind, anyone can jack off in three minutes just as easily as 20 especially if it is for free.

They say they are counting impressions and I have no reason to distrust them. It is in their interest to get as many views as possible and bookmarkers so I have no reason to disbelieve them on this. If I get proved wrong then so be it... but I have never seen those guys called out on any sort of shaving issue. That is saying a lot in this biz.

We have enough content to work with that we never are truly diluting our brand, only enhancing it. I am a lifelong Deadhead and they let people tape and trade their shows freely (I infact was a taper...) and that only enhanced their brand plus gave them revenue well after they stopped performing as "the Grateful Dead". I understand how free pays. I get how you need to give more than just pix and vids to get people to pay happily.

Affiliates can take advantage of our content and do the same thing we are doing to get a taste of that sweet Homegrown pie. We are in a very unique position because we have more content than most so we have no trouble supporting affiliates with unique content.

We have spent a lot of time, effort and money building these systems over the past 18 months, way before anyone had any idea what our bigger plan was, to go ahead and screw anyone out of money. Take 5-10 minutes to chat with Phil or send him an email, I am sure he'll happily explain to you how we track everything and pay out. All our systems work together to pull data directly to your admins, whether it's Paid Per View, Hosted Tube, PIMPROLL or Traffic Force.

Hey Ross...
 

Well I signed up for it Ross... not sure if I am approved or not yet lol...

Hopefully we can do some business... How do I contact Phil ?

Is it phil at pimproll dot com ???

Just wondering how we get the content to them, sent on a hard drive ?

None of us are in the office right now so it'll likely be tomorrow before someone checks your application. That email address will work for Phil, yeah.