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raymor 02-17-2012 04:31 PM
Disrespectful, inappropriate, and funny.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18766155)
What he said. 'Choice', as we know it, doesn't come into it for an addict.

I still fucking laughed at the OP though :1orglaugh
That's one definition of addiction - when one has lost the power of choice. Later they may be offered a choice to put in the extreme effort to recover or not at a time when they can see the truth about themselves. They may be born with the genetic variety of alcoholism, for example, and later, after finding that out, they have a choice of what to do about it.

Certainly many addicts aren't weak people. Think of all the extremely successful people who are / were addicts or alcoholics. Willpower is simply as useless against addiction as it is against a Colt .45. Until ...

Some addicts and alcoholics get to a point where even they can see that it is killing them, where the disease can no longer chili's them completely to the obvious truth. If at that point in time they are introduced to other addicts who have recovered, THEN they have a choice - follow the same difficult path to recovery, or not. Sometimes they are shown a path to recovery based on spiritual principles and for some the choice between spiritual life and alcoholic death is a difficult choice to make.

Jel 02-17-2012 04:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18766337)
Addiction always starts with a choice. Full stop.

There are no neural signatures of addiction. No gene has been discovered that makes somebody an addict.

Sorry, it's a nice way of making addicts feel not so bad about themselves when in reality the problem is always themselves.

lol it has nothing to do with making addicts feel not bad you imbecile :1orglaugh

Every former addict is well aware of their part in the onset of addiction, and are also well aware the problem is within themselves. What with you being a total fucking moron though, I wouldn't expect you to understand that :thumbsup

No neural signatures - go click that link I provided. No gene - go click that link I provided. You're about as knowledgeable about addiction as markham is about traffic. You think, therefore you presume. Dumbass :1orglaugh

Jel 02-17-2012 04:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18766347)
Addiction is not a disease. If we are going to call it a disease, we need to call it an easily curable one. It's simple if somebody wants to stop.
It is, it is, and it is.

WarChild 02-17-2012 04:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18766396)
lol it has nothing to do with making addicts feel not bad you imbecile :1orglaugh

Every former addict is well aware of their part in the onset of addiction, and are also well aware the problem is within themselves. What with you being a total fucking moron though, I wouldn't expect you to understand that :thumbsup

No neural signatures - go click that link I provided. No gene - go click that link I provided. You're about as knowledgeable about addiction as markham is about traffic. You think, therefore you presume. Dumbass :1orglaugh
You calling me a moron? That's awesome. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm guessing that you think the fact that you're a loser is because you have a disease. The reality of it is you're just a loser. :thumbsup

Jel 02-17-2012 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18766356)
Disrespectful, inappropriate, and funny.




That's one definition of addiction - when one has lost the power of choice. Later they may be offered a choice to put in the extreme effort to recover or not at a time when they can see the truth about themselves. They may be born with the genetic variety of alcoholism, for example, and later, after finding that out, they have a choice of what to do about it.

Certainly many addicts aren't weak people. Think of all the extremely successful people who are / were addicts or alcoholics. Willpower is simply as useless against addiction as it is against a Colt .45. Until ...

Some addicts and alcoholics get to a point where even they can see that it is killing them, where the disease can no longer chili's them completely to the obvious truth. If at that point in time they are introduced to other addicts who have recovered, THEN they have a choice - follow the same difficult path to recovery, or not. Sometimes they are shown a path to recovery based on spiritual principles and for some the choice between spiritual life and alcoholic death is a difficult choice to make.
Agreed. :thumbsup

Rationality is completely gone in the grip of addiction, so any 'choice' is completely irrational - therefore, 'choice' as we know it, simply doesn't come into it (at the time of addiction).

Or maybe all those mother's who can't give up their addiction even for the love of their children are just being greedy, and 'choose' to feed their addiction, even if it means losing their kids. Jesus, you couldn't make up some of the retarded shit that holier-than-thou cunts who have never been through an addiction spew :1orglaugh

While I can be bothered - isn't it only 6 days sober for Whitney? I thought it was sat night/sun morning she died?

Jel 02-17-2012 05:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18766399)
You calling me a moron? That's awesome. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm guessing that you think the fact that you're a loser is because you have a disease. The reality of it is you're just a loser. :thumbsup
:1orglaugh

righto...

epitome 02-17-2012 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18766398)
It is, it is, and it is.
So how does that explain me?

DaLord 02-17-2012 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AzteK (Post 18765575)
Addiction is a disease...
No it's not. In my opinion it's lack of will power and self discipline.

directfiesta 02-17-2012 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DaLord (Post 18766440)
No it's not. In my opinion it's lack of will power and self discipline.
sure ... as cancer is the result of bad diet and lack of excercise .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

porno jew 02-17-2012 05:43 PM
very cruel. no wonder you are a libertarian.

asdasd 02-17-2012 05:45 PM
Points for individual thought.

SuckOnThis 02-17-2012 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18766286)
Dead is dead and it doesn't matter how many records you sold once you get there. :2 cents:


So dead people are losers? Not sure what you're getting at.

raymor 02-17-2012 07:38 PM
Let me phrase it this way - if you have a choice, if you can take it or leave it alone, you may not be an addict.

1-800-313-WETT 02-17-2012 07:51 PM
Such a tragedy and a waste of a talent that we shall never see again
Debbie

Si 02-17-2012 08:39 PM
I agree with warchild to some extent, she must have chosen to take crack or whatever she was on. You're not born a crack addict.

Maybe after you're hooked, it's not just a case of will power though.

brassmonkey 02-17-2012 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1-800-313-WETT (Post 18766634)
Such a tragedy and a waste of a talent that we shall never see again
Debbie
well we have many hits :thumbsup


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