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Huh? You think she is going to broadcast the results either way he goes? Highly doubtful.

You guys are pretty cruel. Just have her reimburse you what you paid her, and give her the rights back. If it was 9 years ago, you probably already made 98% of the money you'll make on the content already, so it's a good deal for you, and probably more than what you could sell it for in this market.

If this were a situation that arose often I would tell her to fuck off. But it's not. It's a pretty rare occurrence. At least for me, anyway. So here's what I would do based on what I know so far. I would consider NOT selling her the rights but still pulling her content from obvious places. Tours, members area, fhg's, etc.

Let's face facts, it's on the web. It's out there. Can't put the genie back in the bottle.

You can charge her money. She pays it. You do your absolute best to get everything down. Couple years later someone she knows finds it somewhere on some other site and she's back bitching at you. Perhaps claiming you scammed her. Being a pain in the ass, for sure.

So I would consider telling her that you will remove her content from your site for free and that you will remove any fhg's or anything else in your control, for free. And that that should keep her from ever hearing about it from anyone she knows. You will not, however, sell her the rights to her content. Explain to her that it's out there. There's no way to scrub it 100% but you'll do what you can and that's all you can do. In this scenario you haven't taken money from someone who, right or wrong, is expecting to buy her way out of a problem that is simply not going to 100% go away ever.

And, who knows, if she ends up being the next Lucy Liu (or Margaret Cho :Oh crap ), you got yourself a nice little content package on which to retire. :-)

I think she could broadcast it negatively if he tried to overcharge her, yes. On positive PR, he could mention it or hold it in his arsenal for future use.

..then what's the point of the model release we all sign before the shoot? Models shouldn't be allowed to just "change their minds" and break legal agreements they made. What's set up to protect the photographer/business?
I never understood girls with this kind of mentality. Once you're naked on the internet, you're ALWAYS naked on the internet. Even if he takes all of her content off of his website, does she honestly think there aren't gna still be pics/vids of her "out there?"
Also, I think that's really shady how she went about setting up a meet with you like that on false pretenses.. I would be kinda pissed she wasted your time and lied to you.. There are better ways her husband and her could of gone about doing that.

Didn't think it thru when you did the shoot? Oh well, live and learn. You made an agreement hunny. A legally binding one. :2 cents:

but I also agree with Catalyst. If they want the content that bad, make them pay for it. The figures he gives sound fair to me.

I'd figure out a fair price (what she was paid, the hotel cost etc) and take it. You can always shoot someone else and then it's fresh new content, and you're probably that much more talented at shooting / have better equipment etc now.

Yeah I'd sell it back to her but what would have pissed me off is the lying to get you to meet her and her boyfriend.

Aaliyah! Nice to see you back at the zoo. :)

charge her

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as time goes there will be more and more and more of these as the facebook generation grows...

You are talking to pornographers. lol doubt that's gonna happen but nice try.

They don't do this because they want to do nice things for women who make mistakes that are forever captured on the net.

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:) see ya in phx!

No so sure. girls now know where stuff will end up. Especially if they are paid to do the work.

Add a 0 and you come closer to the number I or we have shot. how many did you shoot before the Internet?

I shot a lot more than you have in that category as well.

Yes the situation arises when a girl finds out the pictures of her sticking something or somebody inside her, become public property. Especially those who did the work before the Internet made her work public property.

So the situation is simple, we can explain the model release, tell her what's out their is hard or impossible to remove. Then fix a price. This is business, it's got nothing to do with being a hard ass or nice guy, it's business and everything has a price. 9 times out of 10 when the girls knows the price, which is the content's value to us, she decided it's not doing that much harm.

I responded to you in that way, because if a girl offered you $10,000 on a set you shot of her, you would in all likely hood take it and say thank you. Plus get a signed contract by her and you to make it official.

+1 for this response. You are a businessman, so treat it as a business transaction. She wants your exclusive photos of her, they just happen to be of her. No different than any other transaction.

Your first part of the statement is correct, do unto others.... Again, it's a business transaction. Treat it as one as said above. However, don't get lost in the emotion of someone asking for pics back. It could be 1 of about 1 million reasons (boyfriend, church, embarrassment, etc, etc)... You are not in someone else's shoes, you are in your own. Don't be a dick about something and don't be a pussy either. Be fair, be reasonable and be a businessman. If you are giving up all rights to them, they are an exclusive set and charge accordingly. Don't underprice and don't gouge and you can walk away from it feeling like you did the right thing for both you and them. They are just another customer of your content at that point.

Email back, but make it clear that buying the pics/vids back does not mean removal from the web, only your site.

You must make it clear that pics and vids may be floating around the web.

also make it clear that the cost inclused what it cost to shoot her, plus time it wil;l take to remove her content from the site.

also point out that she will not have any rights to use the pics.

i had a model who desided to set up her own site and thought i would just give her all the pics and vids i took of her for free for her to use on her own site.

the great problem is they presume that by removing from the site they are gone from the net.

what if they are in fhg or on tube sites?

if i know a model has only shot for me, i do not use it as promo material as that way she does not get grief and in turn i get no grief.

if she is a known model then thats different.

If a girl does not want to be seen on the net, i tell them to shoot with Paul Markham as no one goes to his sites and even if they do the pics are so out of focus you cannot tell who the modfel is anyway.

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Models take the pee, they forget about the extra time you spend editing & arranging the shoots.

For you to even not make a penny but pay for your time, that shoot is worth $2k a minimum... I would charge her arse at least $4k so double your money considering you would have or shall make that over the years & the rest!

9 year old contents probably not worth too much really.... I mean what's the future profit you'll get from it?

Probably next to nothing and 9 yrs it's paid for itself.

Models take a poo sometimes too... :2 cents:

Then they complain that they didn't know I had hidden cameras in the bathroom, and demand that I remove that from the net as well.. :2 cents:

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Lots of good comments in this thread - thanks!

Granted, my equipment and skills are significantly better than 9 years ago (plus I need to re-edit my older content to larger formats - back then video had to be delivered in 1-minute 320x240 clips, and stills were 600 pixels on the long axis).

However, I assure you that people DO still join websites for old photo sets, particularly when it is of a model that they are obsessed with, and they know there will be no future content. I still get sign-ups whenever I add a "missing" set/video from years ago, or when I re-release old content in newer/larger formats.

I presume that everyone is aware of instances when a model becomes famous and then old content surfaces which make a small fortune for the photographer (think Vanessa Williams, Madonna, Miss California, etc). That could be one reason they want the photos suppressed (to avoid being outed).

As for the comments about having a strong pimp hand, yeah, I don't hire crack whores, and I don't deliberately try to degrade models/performers, so I guess I'm not a pimp. :upsidedow

I have removed some content in the past, although in every instance, after receiving a perfunctory thank you, that was it, while I took an action which I know in some cases decreased my sales. I have even removed whole web sites to avoid drama or as a gesture of kindness (my first two solo websites).

On those occasions where I have said NO to removing content, I never heard of any issues for the models involved after that. I should note that the times that I have said no is generally when I have had a few models try to pull the, "I was underage when I shot for you" trick. I find that deeply insulting, since I keep good records and never shoot without signed releases, ID photos/video, etc. To me such threats are practically extortion, and threaten my business and potentially my freedom, and I do not react kindly.

I operate my business legally. I don't try to con models, or misrepresent anything. In my pre-shoot interviews, I ask models about their future plans (what they are studying in school, etc), and I have either talked potential models out of modeling, or at the very least made sure that they understand that adult modeling and performing is not for everyone, because the photos and videos will potentially be out there forever.

As an analogy, I was hit with a DUI almost two years ago (I was stopped for a headlight, otherwise I would never have been stopped in the first place), and I had to pay nearly $2,000 in fines, had my license suspended for several months, did community service for a week, and I will be on probation (or subject to a much more serious punishment) if I get busted on another DUI for years to come.

Oh yes, and my mandatory insurance due to the DUI has caused my insurance premiums to go up hundreds of dollars per year (for several years). The insurance company doesn't care that I quit drinking and haven't had a drink in over a year, my insurance rates will remain high as I continue to pay the price for a mistake I made in my life.

At one time I entertained the idea of entering politics; I was a student body leader and activist back in college, and some of my friends have gone on to prominent political positions. I could try and run, but I realize that it would possibly/probably come out, so I dashed that notion a long time ago, and I deliberately play a support role out of the spotlight for the groups/causes that I support, so that my being in porn does not negatively impact them. Being in adult, even if you are not a model, can have an impact on your future options.

BTW, for those that suggest I am thinking to shake the model down, I have nude pix I shot of one woman when I was an amateur photographer decades ago, who is now a Mayor of a large City. I could release those pix and either make bank or ruin her political career, but I would never do that. We have never had a discussion about those photos either - I guess she just knew that I would never do such a thing, since she knew me quite well.

I have other models that are non-nude/implied nude models whom have had wardrobe malfunctions (nipple slips, etc), or who had me shoot some "private" photos for them, minus any separate paperwork, so that technically I could probably legally release the content and make a lot of money, but that is not how I operate, and I would never do that.

In starting this thread, I was simply trying to see what others might do, since I am sure this or a similar issue has come up for other shooters at one time or another, and it raises some interesting points.

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I've been shooting for my own sites for 10 yrs and when you add working in from strip clubs,Jack shacks pro dungeons. I have over 20 yrs experience. It's happened to me once and just took it down. The content was over 4 yrs old. I don't live in la so as fun some may think to tell a model to fuck off or give some crazy number. They can fuck with you and cost you your whole business but u had a moment of satisfaction.and that's why after that i focused on models who shot a mountain of shit before me.

How can you sell back pics that were taken (and sold?) exclusive?

Curious - have you tried plugging any of her photos into tineye/google images to see if they are anywhere else?

we charge what we would charge an exclusive client and tell them that we're not responsible for anything thats out there already and not under our control. client licenses stay valid.

happened twice and those terms were accepted. if they contacted our clients and made deals with them as well I don't know and it's not my business