Well...as I said. I live in the real world and not a fantasy world or a dream world. You fucking Massivecock types are good for entertainment though. Shakes head...in wonderment.:1orglaugh

I haven't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if someone didn't already mention this but "channel 4" is responsible for prank shows like Trigger Happy TV. So I take that web site article with a grain of salt since I didn't see it in any legit news site.

it was on the channel 4 news you muppet

hardly a "prank show"

I see many people on this board praising Bill Clinton and flaming Bush at the same time. Did any of you people happen to see that interview with Bill Clinton on CNN?
Interesting facts, Bill Clinton is in agreement with George Bush on the Iraq issue. Further more he supports Bush on his attempt to gain international support. George Bush doesnt by any means have to wait for a weapon inspectors report. George Bush doesnt have to have approval from the UN. All that is required is the majority of congress to support him, which he already has. Now let me ask, why would the united states put so much effort into lying to the UN when they dont even need the UN. If Bush really wanted to Iraq would be gone tommorrow. The only reason for the attempt to gain international support is to insure the UN's regulations carry some weight. What good is a international board if they don't enforce their regulations?
Moving on to another issue, the North Korean Nuclear program. Well what do you know, Bill Clinton was also in agreement with Bush on this issue. He agrees that the situation should be handled in a diplomatic fashion, and that North Korea should not be rewarded for making radical threats. Reguarding the issue in North Korea, many people see it as a bigger threat, and it is! But guess what, when South Korean President offically takes office in early March the issue will be handled diplomaticly.
The only thing Bill Clinton did not agree with is George Bush's economic plan. Why you ask, because they are form two seperate parties. When it comes to international affairs and national security they agree. I believe that in a post 911 US, any president will take the same approach. Anybody that understands world politics should clearly understand this with ease. The rest of you can continue to talk out of your ass.

I see that the "king" in your name stands for King of Insensitivity. Your lack of even an iota of spiritual values makes you pretty feeble scum.

Thunderballs is talking about his child that died and all you can do is dismiss that as a lame joke? You are not worth responding to anymore...You are a moron of the lowest order.

Of course leaders of both political parties pursue near-identical foreign policy strategies. They are controlled by the same corporate interests and cow-tow to the same military industrial establishment. Democrats and Republicans are simply two management teams vying for control of the same corrupt "company".

I don't praise Bill Clinton. I don't praise any of these sell-out politicians. They are all part of the problem.

Didn't they also report once that Tony Blair is controled by aliens? :1orglaugh

I did not refer to his child at all but none the less, I do not have any sensitivity for those that attempt to insult me, none, nada. You live in some kind of fantasy world and he in a dream world. You fucking people are jokes and amuse me to no end.

So why are they putting so much effort into providing false intelligence to the UN? They dont need the UN's approval. The UN can be viewed as worthless if they dont enforce their own regulations. The united states put alot of effort and money in the UN it is suppose to be a good idea.

The only problem that I am aware of is the problem you and some others have that suffer with the "Massivecock" Syndrome.

is it me, or is this discussion starting to go round in fucking circles?

:1orglaugh

And here is another that suffers with the "Syndrome".

Sorry conspiracy nuts. Did I just tear apart you delusion?

Quote: All that is required is the majority of congress to support him, which he already has. Now let me ask, why would the united states put so much effort into lying to the UN when they dont even need the UN.

Why would they even go to the UN at all if it's a pointless exercise ?

Quote: If Bush really wanted to Iraq would be gone tommorrow. The only reason for the attempt to gain international support is to insure the UN's regulations carry some weight. What good is a international board if they don't enforce their regulations?

We'll, the US has a few violations, Israel has a ton, why not get those enforced as well ? Oh, that's right, it's only violations the US wants enforced that the UN should get tough on. Jeez.

Quote: He agrees that the situation should be handled in a diplomatic fashion, and that North Korea should not be rewarded for making radical threats.

LOL, and having nukes and no oil has nothing to do with it....

Quote: The rest of you can continue to talk out of your ass.

Parp!

A. They are going to the UN for international support. They dont need or require it. In the world today it is a good idea to organize a international community for future and current international issues and regualtions. The UN is pointless if they establish law and regulation and not enforce them. The United States has a great deal of involvement towards the UN and would like to see <b>their</b> project a success.

B. What regualations have the UN established towards the Unuited States and Israel? I dont recall the UN making any resolutions towards these countries.

C. North Korea's biggest export is missiles and bombs. For them to have nuclear capabilities will bring great pressure for them to sell nuclear warheads as well. Let me add this was stated by former President Clinton during his interview.

If you dont know what you are talking about, please dont quote me and make me educate you. I am not a teacher.

He burned Kuwaits oilfields you idiot!! Not his own!

You finally noticed ?

Geez, just read about that plagiarized report on the BBC news.

Funny how the U.S. media isn't even talking about it.

Quote: All that is required is the majority of congress to support him, which he already has. Now let me ask, why would the united states put so much effort into lying to the UN when they dont even need the UN.

Why would they even go to the UN at all if it's a pointless exercise ?

A. They are going to the UN for international support. They dont need or require it. In the world today it is a good idea to organize a international community for future and current international issues and regualtions. The UN is pointless if they establish law and regulation and not enforce them. The United States has a great deal of involvement towards the UN and would like to see their project a success.

A. Thank You. You confirm it's about the US's 'projects' and sod the rest. Exactly what I said.
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Quote: If Bush really wanted to Iraq would be gone tommorrow. The only reason for the attempt to gain international support is to insure the UN's regulations carry some weight. What good is a international board if they don't enforce their regulations?

We'll, the US has a few violations, Israel has a ton, why not get those enforced as well ? Oh, that's right, it's only violations the US wants enforced that the UN should get tough on. Jeez.

B. What regualations have the UN established towards the Unuited States and Israel? I dont recall the UN making any resolutions towards these countries.

B. Fuck, if you don't even know that, what's the point of arguing.
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Quote: He agrees that the situation should be handled in a diplomatic fashion, and that North Korea should not be rewarded for making radical threats.

LOL, and having nukes and no oil has nothing to do with it....

C. North Korea's biggest export is missiles and bombs. For them to have nuclear capabilities will bring great pressure for them to sell nuclear warheads as well. Let me add this was stated by former President Clinton during his interview.

C. Your missing the point.
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If you dont know what you are talking about, please dont quote me and make me educate you. I am not a teacher.

1) *Shrug*, I'll talk all I want. Deal with it.
2) I'll quote you as much as I want. Deal with it.
3) No Kidding. LOL.

Actually the UN brings out new resolutions condemning Israel practically on a daily basis but as they are all initiated by the arab countries that very much want israel wiped off the face of the planet they are not taken too seriously..

As for this plagarized report.. from what I heard it is partly plagarized from a report written 10 years ago or something like that but since updated post 9/11 so it is fairly upto date plus it was in fact written by an Iraqi who just may actually have access to real and relevant 'intelligence' on account of him being from there.. he has also just updated it again and was planning to release it in march.. he still stands by his report.

It was kind of lame to copy his report without at least giving credit for it and it could have been handled much better but what the hell.. shit happens.. as long as his info is correct its no big deal in the end.

What got me was some woman saying how the report was full of grammatical errors and was more like the writing of a child and couldn't be taken seriously - I would so like to see her write a graduate level dissertation in arabic (or any other language) without making gramatical errors! Dumb bitch..

Pakistan already has nukes. Iran and Syria most likely have them as well. Each of these countries are filled with millions of angry young men just itching to get involved. Instead of working to reverse the anger that is already there, we are going to stoke the flames by a factor of 10,000.

Utterly stupid.
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don't forget North Korea, India, China and France

TheKing, which nonfantasy world do you live in where it's so pragmatic and smart to have a completely fucking moronic warmonger, bought and paid for by the petroleum industry, as our head of state? You're about as intelligent as a piece of slate, but you're too dumb to recognize that fact.

WWI started with the assassination of an obscure public official. NO WAY that something as small as obliterating a sovereign nation that happens to control a significant portion of the world's oil resources could spin out of control is there?

Even republicans don't like Bush much anymore, the smart ones anyway. He's considered an idiot by every head of state in the world except Blair, who also thinks he's a moron but is afraid to say so because of diplomatic issues. His loyalty is about to cost him his job.

I find it both astounding and appalling that someone would find murdering civilians a legitimate military practice.

bomb iraq

War is astounding and appalling. It is not a movie. Civilians provide the military with the ability to engage in and prolong a war thus in major conflicts they are targeted. In the Second World War civilians were killed by the millions in order to reduce the capacity of the enemy to wage war. Shortening the length of wars in fact saves lives.

An invasion of Iraq will not require the intentional targeting of civilians because Iraq does not have the ability to fight a prolonged war. Civilians will definitely be killed and if they are in the way of what is deemed a necessary target the loss of civilian life will not prevent that target from being taken out.

You don't seem to get it. You used the word legitimate. For me, that says enough.

It wasn't a british intelligence summary, it was an article issued by the uk government that stated that info was collected from numerous sources INCLUDING british intelligence.

They say the first casualty of war is the truth and that's always the case with any country, but this document wasn't nesarcarily untrue, that wasn't the issue here it was just thought of as a bit of a joke in the uk that some of the text had been copied word for word from a (postgraduate) research student (including gramatical errors).

Okay, first of all, the "bombing the entire Muslim word" thing, it's not gonna happen. Muslims are blended throughout the entire world. There is no region that they do not live in. They live in Alaska, Greenland, Iceland, America, Asia, Africa, Middle East, Europe, Timbuktu, fuck, everywhere!

The problem is that you cannot exterminate them. In the past, Muslims are known to change their appearance in times of war and hide their identity to strike within their enemies borders. Also, bearing children is considered a great virtue in the Muslim community. Okay now you will have a large group of people still left (you can't nuke them all) that all want to kill you. They are hidden behind the faces of normal people. Face this fact: you cannot and you will not destroy them by launching some nukes. Never gonna happen.

Have you heard of the chechen situation? The entire Russian army can't even handle a couple hundred Jihad fighters. In fact, there are more kids born that join the Jihad in that region than the Russians can kill! They remain stationed there and every day Russians are killed, always more than Chechens.

The mistake that you're making is that you are overestimating technology. You are not gonna be able to use it against a people that does not want to be found. That hides in places you do not know of. That disguises themselves as normal citizens. Chechens look a lot like Russians, how are you ever going to make a distinction? Russians themselves say that they are stuck in a military swamp. They cannot win the war but they do not want to loose it again either. They are simply stuck and their soldiers are void of the will the fight. They write "We want to go home" on the walls of the ruins in Grozny. This is your prospect, if you are lucky, because you can never kill them all and they will breed the shit out of themselves to regain manpower.

If you are not so lucky, then you will loose manpower yourself. I'm sure that the US military is very strong and hi-tech. But Western citizens aren't used to shit. Most of us do not know how to take out an enemy with your bare hands, or even operate guns properly and accurately. Once there is a lot of violence internally, our systems will collapse: The economy will completely be destroyed, every day life will cease to exist and we will end up in a downward spiral. We might be killed more on the longterm than they kill us, as was demonstrated in many other cases of war. It is obvious that you have no idea how your enemy works and what his state of mind is. I wish you did, because a lot of you don't know who you are provoking and it's my guess that if you go through with it that you're gonna wish you didn't.

So why not just try a different approach? It is not too late to reconcile with the Muslim world. Why go through ALL this trouble? Arabs and Muslims just wanna live their FUCKING LIVES like we do!! I don't give a fuck about your goddamn military games, go paintball for fucks sake but don't push people into a war that NOONE wants.

I'm so sick of this fucking bullshit. Hey theking, if you want beef so much why don't you try taking on one Muslim first. Just go to a mosque and ask for a fight with one of these guys. If you're so full of violence and the urge for combat, then get the fuck away from that computer and experience it real life. Better yet, go to Russia and get your head cut off by a Chechen with an axe. A nice little taste of things to come if this course is maintained.

So basically, you're saying that attacking US citizens is legitmate. You are using the EXACT same kind of reasoning Osama bin Laden is using! You're no different from the extremist cocksuckers, go have a cup of tea with em and have a nice chat about your similarities, you might end up liking your ideological peers.

What problem do you have with the word legitimate, as in "legitimate target". If you do not like the word legitimate then change it to "necessary target" or "viable target" or whatever word you prefer, because under certain circumstances civilians are intentionally targeted and were targeted and killed by the millions by all sides during the Second World War and will be targeted in future wars when it is deemed to be necessary to do so.

as simple as your mind :321GFY

My whole point was that the Uniteds States will not be taken down by the muslim world or any other peoples that make the attempt without using everything in our arsenal in an effort to prevent that from happening.

I am not over estimating anything. Do you seriously think the muslim world is going to unite and act against us as, proposed by another poster, and sacrifice several hundred millions of their lives in an attempt to topple the USA? Even if you do think this we will send several hundred million people to see Allah before we fall.

"...not used to shit" If I am not mistaken the USA has engaged in more military conflicts in the past 200 plus years than any country on the earth and we have only grown in power.

Go through with what?

What different approach would that be?

Well...actually I have engaged Musilms in combat. I served with the 82nd Airborne in the first gulf war and as a result my 12 years of service was brougt to an end.

So, the whole process of inspectors, the address of Powell to the UN, the terror alert level , all that is bullshit ( or Bushit).

Decision was made many months ago.... So even if you have no proof or if proff was given that they have no WMD, it doesn't really matter: the mighty USA has made its mind and will invade, just like Hitler or Sadam Hussein did....

I liked a lot the US, and even more its people, but with comments and actions like yours, I like rthem lesss and less. I know King you don't give a shit, because you need nobody...

But just think if a white middle-aged capitalist christian starts to think like that, how many non-white, non-christian will be your ennemies.

Your country will be the training fields of terrorists, and for what???? To remove a head of State you don't like????
If the US or so right in their thinking and process, if they possess so advance thechnology, whow come they semnd innocent americans to death row ( in brother Bush home state: Florida).

If you make a such mistakes, can you accecpt that you could be doing a mistake now.

BTW, it is very pretentious to quote yourself.... but on yt=the other hands it shows that you are closed to any more reflexions: lets go kill those ragheads!!!!

That is what Hitler tought about Jews! Welcome the the Facist US!

Why wouldn't Iraq or North Korea have the same "logic"?

Not so much bullshit as a futile exercise in diplomacy.

I suspect that if Saddam were to present undeniable proof that the chemical, biological materials and missiles/artillary that contained chemicals he still had on hand in 1998 were in fact destroyed, or if he presented the chemical, biological materials and missiles/artillary that contained chemicals to the inspectors to oversee the destruction of same, and in addition he stepped down from office and went into exile, then we would not invade.

I guess I missed that report. What innocent Americans are on death row in Florida?

I am satisfied that they do.

Hitler thought Jews were dumb????

Damnit. I hate tansparent photos.

My whole point was that the Uniteds States will not be taken down by the muslim world or any other peoples that make the attempt without using everything in our arsenal in an effort to prevent that from happening.

Oh, I believe that, and I believe America will do everything in it's power to fight back. But why not just avoid that? Do you really want this clash of civilzations so bad? This is all so saddening, the world took billions of years to evolve, and mankind took another few millions to come into being and to build this entire civilization.. This long and hard process that millions have given their lives up to to reach is now under the possibility of being ruined in the biggest war mankind has ever seen. Wouldn't we want to do EVERYTHING in our power to prevent that?

You say, but how will we handle Saddam? What's the alternative?

One of my personal basic rules in evaluation is that a bad thing (war) can only be used if the outcome does more good than harm. In the current climate, it will do more good than harm. Terrorism will rise and the clash of civilizations is brought another step closer. WE CANNOT RISK THIS! It's simply not worth it, and common sense tells us that a small benefit (removing Saddam) is not desirable if it means a greater evil will be created as a result.

I am not over estimating anything. Do you seriously think the muslim world is going to unite and act against us as, proposed by another poster, and sacrifice several hundred millions of their lives in an attempt to topple the USA? Even if you do think this we will send several hundred million people to see Allah before we fall.

Yes I seriously think that. Once they feel that their entire community, religion, and family are at stake, they will have nothing to loose. They don't care if they die because they want to die. Most Muslims are in an inferior position at the moment anyways, why not opt for heaven and 72 virgins? They do not think like us. When we see that a couple thousands of "our boys" are killed, we mourn for them and we critize the gov. When they see a couple thousand killed, they praise them and they admire and look up to them. Add to that the increased hate for the enemy and you will see an exponential increase of violence against us from them. The more we kill them, the more opposition we will face - and Western politics have never understood this. We have always responded with "we need to send them a clear signal, a clear message". They don't interpret that message the same! It only makes the situation worse!!

What different approach would that be?

Well why not wait. Why not correctly handle the Afghani situation first. Get involved there, build up what we destroyed. We killed tens of thousands of people there, why not express sorrow for that. Why not show our compassions for these deaths by doing everything we can to build a strong country there, to remove dangers such as landmines, to introduce schools and to show respect for the local customs. Why not show the world a different side?

Once we have re-gained trust and co-operation with the Muslim world it'll be easy as fuck getting rid of Saddam. We have made them hate us more than they hate Saddam! This is exactly the opposite of what we should've done. If we have good relations with the Muslim world, they will aid us in removing the evil from among themselves... But as long as they see us a greater danger than their own evil leaders, then we have taken the wrong approach and we will only make things worse for both parties.