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While I agree that, generally speaking, bulk traffic does not work on paysites (there are some exceptions), it can be VERY effective for dating and cams sites.
Our last week as sending traffic to ihookup as an affiliate; http://www.fpctraffic.com/ihookup.jpg This is a combo of skimmed and popunder traffic that can be purchased for $1.50/K to $2.50/K, and sometimes less if you know where to look and how to negotiate. That means each signup to ihookup cost me about $38 in traffic. And, I certainly get paid a lot more than that per signup from loadedcash. I know most here will cry 'bullshit', but I stand by my traffic, and have for the past 15 years. If you know what you are doing, buying traffic is a winning game. |
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Test it test it test it. I see on avg a 30% roi. Some time more some times less. I just wish i had more to spend atm lol
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How come the guys that say paid traffic makes them sales don't buy all of it?
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Is it so complicated, so skill and talent demanding no one can copy you. Or is it something most people with a modicum of intelligence, so not me, can copy or do themselves? Like the people selling the traffic? And this is the situation as I see it. If getting traffic is hard, then doing what Ravo is doing must be extremely hard. Because those with the traffic are not able to do it or employ someone to do it. Or getting traffic is easy and monetising it is some sort of rocket science. Or the traffic acquirers are able to do no more than place an ad on a Tube site and then send the traffic to Ravo, or place his ad, popunder, etc on a Tube site. Quote:
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1. It's not that easy. 2. There was once a man who owned a hen that kept laying solid gold eggs. Needless to say, he didn't butcher the hen to sell it for meat. |
Why aren't people cornering the market on traffic?
Some are trying to. Manwin is one. And after they have squeezed every possible buyer out of it, they will let others buy it. Like the Gold Rush in California, after everyone had squeezed all they could, the Chinese came in for the scraping left. Getting traffic is easy. Getting a sale from that traffic isn't rocket science. Getting enough traffic to get enough sales to make a 6 figure living is very hard. I've met enough of the people claiming to do it, who sit all night clutching one drink. :1orglaugh All I had to do was find a cute girl every month and shoot her in the nude doing things to herself. :1orglaugh Now that was easy. :1orglaugh |
Paul: I sell my traffic so I don't need to fuck around trying to find what converts best this week. It actually makes me more than actual signups from my TGPs do now.
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And yet, you STILL managed to make a dog's arsehole out of it. :1orglaugh |
AAPL has 100b cash
If you could just buy your way to wealth they would.
Specialization, one of the main benefits of civilization, allows for vertical markets. Why doesn't GM or Walmart or anyone with access to mountains of cheap cash buy all their suppliers and their dealers? I suppose that traffic guys like to sell traffic, and find the regularity of it better than the constant fine tuning that appears to be the purview of the affiliate. They may not have a big gain, but they have regular dependable revenue and the ability to forecast. If the affiliate, who may like excitement and chasing a huge gain, likes to fine tune and share information and scheme and plan and test, he may triple his revenue or lose everything. High risk high reward. Content sellers require a totally different skill set. What is great is that affiliates work on commission. If only traffic sellers would :1orglaugh |
What's your user name in my system? I'm gonna refrain from defending myself until I see if you are telling truth or not.
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So how do you get your traffic? Obviously if selling the traffic is making you more money than selling, it makes sense to sell it. Selling is less profitable than getting it, for you. I suppose this is the same with a lot of traffic merchants, easy to just get the traffic and then sell it on for others to do the harder job of refining it and selling it something. If my new idea floats, I might try some bought traffic. Will be interesting to see how it does. However it seems to me, that with the ease of putting up a Tube site, 5K was a quote for a good one. The cheapness of hosting. Availability of content. It would be sensible to send all your traffic to a Tube with ads for dating, cams, penis, paysites and filter it yourself. Good points ilnjscb Actually GM and Walmart would, if they couldn't buy the stuff in cheap as possible from china. Many of the big stores have deals with producers that are as good as buying them. In fact better. Manwin is doing exactly what you point out. Yes one of the benefits of selling traffic is if it doesn't work, it's always the buyers fault. Why did this come to mind. |
there's nothing more popular in gfy than a post about Chocker with lots of Paul markham posts in it.
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My point in this thread is : Why gamble with your money? We all know that tracking our clicks gives us information that can increase our conversion. If the ad broker knew this too, they could help refine your traffic and increase conversion, almost guaranteeing repeat business. Ero-Advertising.com already does this with their own pixel-code tracker. But for other ad brokers who don't have this, or even if they already do, why not track with Google Analytics? Check this out: http://www.2much.net/gfy/ga-funnel.png Besides all of the other reporting the Google Analytics does, they now offer a conversion funnel-ish view of your traffic. You can see where people are coming from, and what pages will bounce your traffic. If Revulsion had Google Anlaytics and shared read-access to it with Choker, and posted screenshots in this thread, then we could ALL learn what went wrong. Maybe Choker could improve his service, or maybe revulsion could improve his site or content. I don't know myself if Choker's traffic is good or not but there would be no way to tell without actual data. Throwing up your hands and saying "it's crap" does not help anyone. Rayo: In your post above you said : Quote:
If you knew how much of the traffic was useless compared to what was really working for you, you would be spending alot less than $38 for each new sale and your conversions. Then assuming you would share this with your traffic source and they were cool with it, they would stop sending you the useless stuff and send you more of what really worked. I am experimenting with a few different ad brokers because some of our own clients are lost when it comes to buying traffic. The concept of traffic, advertising, marketing, is completely lost on them. What I am hoping to do is to use GA in conjunction with a few good brokers to present an easy (sort of) way to advertise as efficiently as possible. |
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Stats are being posted... Sound gong again stats are being posted.
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Every time I've bought chocker traffic my sales have gone down on those days.
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i was waiting for this thread to kick into popcorn mode and the moment has arrived...
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Keeping robust traffic stats is a good start, and having the tools to analyze the data is critical. The days of throwing $1000 of traffic at a site and hoping to make money are long gone. To para-phrase Paul Markham; "Yes, it's rocket science". |
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And the guy was probably confused anyways because it says "HQ" and "non premium" at the same time which would confuse anyone except you. Edit: and you did it multiple times on this page for even the slightest remark. WTF is your malfunction? |
not professional to post customer's personal and private information. noted.
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why is it unprofessional for choker to post up stats, but not unprofessional for affiliates to post up their bad (or good for that matter) ratios? it's no personal info, it's numbers
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Wow even 0 signups in 21,000 popunders is very bad almost unbelievable. If this person did indeed buy 100,000 popunders and 0 sign ups then I would strongly suspect it's fake bot traffic.
For me on shit traffic I ave 1:1000 popunders. Clicked traffic I average 1:100 |
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I'm not into GFY battles anymore so the trolls can carry on now. I will defend myself of course but I am not into the long drawn out battles anymore. Peeps will have to look elswhere for their entertainment. |
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http://www.fpctraffic.com/ihookup.jpg Only in adult will someone post proof he bought 1/4 million hits and found 13 buyers to prove it was good. For a few years in the 80s, prior to coming into porn full time, I was a sales manager. The one thing I knew were the excuses bad salesmen would come up with for the lack of sales. "Nobody's Buying Today." "We don't have what he needs." "He got it cheaper elsewhere." "The economies bad." And "It's a bad area to sell in." Now we have "Shit Traffic." And 13-247,061 is good." Choker, do you label it as "Shit Traffic" on your site or is that the excuse you give out after he spent his money? Ravo 13 sales off 1/4 million hits is bloody awful. If that's the best you can do with "rocket science" get a new rocket. What's happened to the porn industry where 100,000 of guys interested in porn, consuming porn ends up with 13 spending some money. Or a traffic seller openly admits he sells traffic that's extremely unlikely to buy anything? :( Yes you rocket scientist made selling porn a very hard game. Someone quote this so Choker sees it. He doesn't like answering me. |
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247K @ 10 cents per k = $2470 13 joins at $25 = $325 $300 profit for your rocket science. Of course if you paid more. Or got paid less. Over what time period? I don't blame you for the state of this industry today. I blame all the idiots who thought paying so much to affiliates, giving them so many tools and competing to see who could give away the most free content. Was the right way to sell porn. It hurt everyone, except the weak who couldn't of survived in a tougher market. :( Yes we have millions viewing porn every day and a few spending money. :upsidedow |
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