Which is obviously a skill traffic sellers don't have. So far cheaper and easier to sell it at a couple of dollars a 1,000 to anyone who has a clue. :upsidedow

Of course the traffic seller would never of put it through a few sites before he sold it. :winkwink:

Yes selling is tough and in a business hell bent on giving away the product for free it has to be very tough. Getting it as you said is the easy part, selling it something as you say is the tough part. The price of the commodity usually reflects the commodities value. 1,000 people interested in looking at porn = $3 :Oh crap

Just a thought. "Traffic" that's sold. How is it gained. By an advert or link saying

"Click on this so we can sell you to all comers"

Or "Click here so we can sell you to anyone looking to buy traffic to send to a dating site"

Or just a dating site ad or cams or something else?

Or is it traffic on a site and they click to see something and suddenly land somewhere else?

If a person has to do all that work for the return. Would it not be easier to get the traffic themselves while doing that work and not pay someone else on a product that requires so much work?

Sly admits the hard part comes after the traffic is bought.

or are the people selling it :winkwink: :1orglaugh

Buying traffic is a constant numbers game. And very fun at the same time. You like to talk about numbers all the time Paul you could probably be decent at it if you actually ever did anything or in the least tried the shit you talk about all the time.

I would honestly answer these but, I can hardly understand wtf you're asking, and don't know if you're serious or just trying to make another pointless point that no one gives a fuck about.

"Mutt",


If I was to buy traffic from you, I would setup goals using Analytics and track the traffic I was buying from you so that I could see that what you were providing to me was what you offered.

At the same time, I could add your gmail account to access to my Google Analytics so that you could see if the traffic I was buying from you was actually converting or not.

With a common 3rd party reference like Google Analytics, the traffic and perhaps content and or landing pages could be tweaked to increase the conversion rate.

This means more business for the traffic buyer, AND more business for the traffic seller. It's called WORKING TOGETHER to boost each others business.

Revulsion is blaming Choker for the bad traffic and some people are falling on board with this but we really don't know what his site was about, what content he was offering, what his landing pages were, or what his design was like. There is no data. At the same time, Choker can offer up any excuse he wants to as well without any real data to back it up.

A thread like this on GFY would be seen hundreds of times. Don't you think it would be a good idea to approach a problem like this armed with data first? It would show everyone what the real problem is, and help everyone to work together to make more money.

Amen. :2 cents:

I have played the numbers game in selling probably longer than you've been alive. When I was playing truant from school and getting cash washing cars, I knew the more doors I knocked on the more money I earned. Also knew the better the neighborhood I worked in the more I could earn. This was in 1964. A little later I was a market trader and knew the better the position, the more money, the better the market the more money.

Same goes for working as a salesman selling office furniture. Same when selling my content.

I also knew all these were secondary to what I said when I knocked on a door and what I delivered after the sale.

The problem with so many is they put numbers at the top of the list and the game of getting the numbers is so screwed up in online porn, they give the product away for free. It's meant selling to 1-10 has now become selling to 1-1,000s and the numbers of sold too are declining faster than the traffic is coming to buy something.

Instead of constantly adding numbers, look at your selling techniques closer.

What's the first thing you say to a possible customer?
What's the next thing you say to them?
What do you offer them that's grabbing their attention.
What are you selling them.

Why should they listen to you and not slam the door in your face? Or click the "Return" button.

Mark just made a good post. This is far more important than the numbers game.

Good, yet obvious points. But you really need to get off the whole "stop giving porn away free" mentality. Far far FAR too late for that. It's easy to get a lot of traffic and hard to convert it, no need to post another wall of text elaborating on it, it's common sense and has always been that way. Easier to convert a small amount of very targetted traffic, but then there is usually less to be made in a given amount of time. You have to hit somewhere in the middle.

"I have played the numbers game in selling probably longer than you've been alive." GO PAUL:thumbsup:thumbsup

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Idiot.......

Well not as long as you Julius. :thumbsup

Lots of bot traffic on brokers. Not naming any specific brokers but it's just to easy for the bad guys to cheat them.

So you would let your seller know your conversions and landingpages? Seems very stupid unless you promote your own unique content program. Nobody works together like that. You are on your own. People will steal your campaign, happens all the time in adult and mainstream. Don't be naive.

Paul Markehm is the village idiot I can't believe people take him seriously lol

After reading this thread, I have concluded that I am a fucking miracle worker.

You have to be more imaginative with how you use this traffic

doubt there is anyway anyone is going to convert cj skim tube traffic.

Hi Pimp,

Wouldn't you want to know if the ads I am buying from you are working for me?

I am not saying to share traffic strategies and other sensitive or competitive information with the traffic source. I am saying people should be tracking the goals (signups or conversions) reached only with traffic purchased, and that people should work with the traffic source to increase it.

:2 cents:

100..... trafic questions

While I agree that, generally speaking, bulk traffic does not work on paysites (there are some exceptions), it can be VERY effective for dating and cams sites.

Our last week as sending traffic to ihookup as an affiliate;

http://www.fpctraffic.com/ihookup.jpg

This is a combo of skimmed and popunder traffic that can be purchased for $1.50/K to $2.50/K, and sometimes less if you know where to look and how to negotiate. That means each signup to ihookup cost me about $38 in traffic. And, I certainly get paid a lot more than that per signup from loadedcash.

I know most here will cry 'bullshit', but I stand by my traffic, and have for the past 15 years. If you know what you are doing, buying traffic is a winning game.

This is sparta?

Test it test it test it. I see on avg a 30% roi. Some time more some times less. I just wish i had more to spend atm lol

:1orglaugh:thumbsup

How come the guys that say paid traffic makes them sales don't buy all of it?

why don't people that buy links for seo buy every link for sale?

So how hard is this to do?

Is it so complicated, so skill and talent demanding no one can copy you. Or is it something most people with a modicum of intelligence, so not me, can copy or do themselves?

Like the people selling the traffic?

And this is the situation as I see it. If getting traffic is hard, then doing what Ravo is doing must be extremely hard. Because those with the traffic are not able to do it or employ someone to do it.

Or getting traffic is easy and monetising it is some sort of rocket science.

Or the traffic acquirers are able to do no more than place an ad on a Tube site and then send the traffic to Ravo, or place his ad, popunder, etc on a Tube site.

Why isn't Ravo cornering the market with his popunders? Good question DBS. :thumbsup

I tell you what I will buy a shit tonne of traffic from you if you make it convert so I make a profit :thumbsup

You learned a couple of important lessons.

1. It's not that easy.

2. There was once a man who owned a hen that kept laying solid gold eggs. Needless to say, he didn't butcher the hen to sell it for meat.

Why aren't people cornering the market on traffic?

Some are trying to. Manwin is one. And after they have squeezed every possible buyer out of it, they will let others buy it.

Like the Gold Rush in California, after everyone had squeezed all they could, the Chinese came in for the scraping left.

Getting traffic is easy. Getting a sale from that traffic isn't rocket science. Getting enough traffic to get enough sales to make a 6 figure living is very hard. I've met enough of the people claiming to do it, who sit all night clutching one drink. :1orglaugh

All I had to do was find a cute girl every month and shoot her in the nude doing things to herself. :1orglaugh

Now that was easy. :1orglaugh

Paul: I sell my traffic so I don't need to fuck around trying to find what converts best this week. It actually makes me more than actual signups from my TGPs do now.

And yet, you STILL managed to make a dog's arsehole out of it. :1orglaugh

AAPL has 100b cash
 

If you could just buy your way to wealth they would.

Specialization, one of the main benefits of civilization, allows for vertical markets.

Why doesn't GM or Walmart or anyone with access to mountains of cheap cash buy all their suppliers and their dealers?

I suppose that traffic guys like to sell traffic, and find the regularity of it better than the constant fine tuning that appears to be the purview of the affiliate. They may not have a big gain, but they have regular dependable revenue and the ability to forecast.

If the affiliate, who may like excitement and chasing a huge gain, likes to fine tune and share information and scheme and plan and test, he may triple his revenue or lose everything. High risk high reward.

Content sellers require a totally different skill set.

What is great is that affiliates work on commission. If only traffic sellers would :1orglaugh

What's your user name in my system? I'm gonna refrain from defending myself until I see if you are telling truth or not.

drmadcat is your account name isn't it?

I understand that there are certain levels in all industries. Made my money as a shooter at that level, never printed my own magazine.

So how do you get your traffic?

Obviously if selling the traffic is making you more money than selling, it makes sense to sell it. Selling is less profitable than getting it, for you.

I suppose this is the same with a lot of traffic merchants, easy to just get the traffic and then sell it on for others to do the harder job of refining it and selling it something.

If my new idea floats, I might try some bought traffic. Will be interesting to see how it does.

However it seems to me, that with the ease of putting up a Tube site, 5K was a quote for a good one. The cheapness of hosting. Availability of content. It would be sensible to send all your traffic to a Tube with ads for dating, cams, penis, paysites and filter it yourself.

Good points ilnjscb

Actually GM and Walmart would, if they couldn't buy the stuff in cheap as possible from china. Many of the big stores have deals with producers that are as good as buying them. In fact better. Manwin is doing exactly what you point out.

Yes one of the benefits of selling traffic is if it doesn't work, it's always the buyers fault.

Why did this come to mind.

there's nothing more popular in gfy than a post about Chocker with lots of Paul markham posts in it.

It works, it doesn't. It works very well, but no, but yes, generally sometimes maybe.

My point in this thread is : Why gamble with your money? We all know that tracking our clicks gives us information that can increase our conversion. If the ad broker knew this too, they could help refine your traffic and increase conversion, almost guaranteeing repeat business.

Ero-Advertising.com already does this with their own pixel-code tracker. But for other ad brokers who don't have this, or even if they already do, why not track with Google Analytics?

Check this out:

http://www.2much.net/gfy/ga-funnel.png

Besides all of the other reporting the Google Analytics does, they now offer a conversion funnel-ish view of your traffic. You can see where people are coming from, and what pages will bounce your traffic.

If Revulsion had Google Anlaytics and shared read-access to it with Choker, and posted screenshots in this thread, then we could ALL learn what went wrong. Maybe Choker could improve his service, or maybe revulsion could improve his site or content.

I don't know myself if Choker's traffic is good or not but there would be no way to tell without actual data. Throwing up your hands and saying "it's crap" does not help anyone.

Rayo:

In your post above you said :

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it looks like your actual conversion rate is 1:19004 (247,061 uniques / 13 signups = 19004. You actually only get cash in your hand on "signup", not on "free", is that correct?

If you knew how much of the traffic was useless compared to what was really working for you, you would be spending alot less than $38 for each new sale and your conversions. Then assuming you would share this with your traffic source and they were cool with it, they would stop sending you the useless stuff and send you more of what really worked.

I am experimenting with a few different ad brokers because some of our own clients are lost when it comes to buying traffic. The concept of traffic, advertising, marketing, is completely lost on them. What I am hoping to do is to use GA in conjunction with a few good brokers to present an easy (sort of) way to advertise as efficiently as possible.

You bought 21k of non premium popunders which is shit like russian, south america, asia. Does chaturbate pay on those?

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