Those that can, do.

Those that can't, teach.

:1orglaugh He really fell for this one. Love you Paul.

:1orglaugh nice :thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh how much would you charge to make some gay hazmat content???

Yes there were far better payers for content in offline than online porn. The only way to make big money as a shooter in online porn was to put your content onto your own sites. Selling it to sponsors exclusive paid shit money. Unlike traffic they were not willing to pay decent amounts fr content. So few if any were brought over as in-house or content production heads. Online simply couldn't or wouldn't compete on the payment level. Why is the question.

This doesn't apply to just me, it applies to most of the offline shooters of any worth. Even when offline porn was reduced to a side show how many of the offline shooters are coming over to produce a great product? Yes very few.

Yet we all know great content converts. Met Art, FTV, PG, etc. We all know the sites that convert well, retain longer ad get members coming back. And we all now the sites that are just not good enough, converting badly, retaining badly and need more traffic to earn the same. There's another difference, the latter don't need to spend mega bucks promoting themselves, the former did. And became the "bros" of affiliates.

Shap went part of the way to create a good site, he could of gone further and created a great site. Yes he made a good return, he could of made a great return. As a content producer I reviewed his site's content. I found sets that would never get published in a magazine, some by the so called top dog here. simply not enough poses, not the right poses, not the right looks off the model and on some it seemed getting a light in the background to glow was more important than getting the picture of the model right. The shooter makes excuses why he didn't do much magazine work. The truth is obvious to someone who got a lot of magazine work published.

And before the idiots talk about me shooting 80s style or for magazines that are now gone. We shot solo girl sets worth $3,000. Custom paid $500 a set and video. Maybe Twistys paid more, ATK paid less. So did a lot of other sponsors.

The big accusation, until I slam dunked it, was offline porn didn't understand the Internet and come here to make more money. Well it's a two way street. Online porn was simply clueless about offline porn and didn't go there to make more money. The excuses for this failing are usually stupid, couldn't be bothered, didn't have the time, etc. That's not good business practices. You eventually went to get stands at the Venus show. 5-6 years to late, in your defense how many other online porn companies did the same?

The media coverage of the "Bang Bus" in a offline porn show might of paid for the outlay, meeting customers face to face always will. But people have to get out of their little boxes to see what's outside to view the opportunities.

Because I put up threads and posts that the best reply is showing that I'm older than them. Or as they tap on their keyboard from home, trying to pay the rent. Like to imagine I'm as broke as they are. While they play "Big Dog".

No. in the mid 90s I had decided to retire to Thailand. Not for the whores, I just loved the people and country. I had made enough, owned the apartment in London and with my saved money, could of lived comfortably. Flying the occasional girl out to Thailand to shoot on the beaches.

Then Eva walked into my life and I fell head over hills in love, like her, and my life suddenly took a huge detour. Eva had come to me for a casting so she earn enough to go back to Czech, her present boyfriend who she lived with had made her pay for the food, her savings were gone and a few hundred pounds would do the trick. 13+years later I did something in 1997, I was swearing I wouldn't do. Set up a new life in the center of Europe, have a family and a dog and live in a quiet village outside Brno. Instead of on or near a quiet beach in Thailand. Carried on working, started a new business, expanded more in the sector of online porn and grew an entirely new career.

And never regretted a single second of it. :thumbsup

I agree :2 cents:

yes paul !

Fiddy posts by Paul saying the same old shit about how great he is and how everyone else is an idiot.

Still, it's the weekend now, the only time in the week Paul gets to see his wife and kid so I am sure he will be spending as much time as poss with them and not arguing with people he despises on the internet.

Hit me up and we can talk.

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#h...1280&b ih=766

The level of abuse here is slipping so much.

Here's the truth.

If sponsor or "whale" had waved enough money in front of any offline shooter he would of changed camps or had a foot in each one. We're all about money. If any online shooter could of earned $3,000 a set non exclusive consistently on his work he would of changed camps or had a foot in each one.

Could Roald of ever waved enough money in front of a good shooter to make him change camps or or have a foot in each one?

Could he with all his skills driving traffic, partnered with a good shooter and made enough money to keep the shooter happy?

If he could of, why didn't he?

Interesting questions. He will no doubt come up with lots of excuses. Couldn't be bothered, was earning too much doing what he was doing, didn't have the skills. All excuses that in business, well a proper business, would get laughed at.

I can't program, so employed a programer in the end we had 3. No one ever thinks WTF did we need 3 programmers for, go figure it out.

I could edit reel to reel and have learned to use a program. Didn't have time before, so I employed an editor.

Didn't want to sit on a computer correcting and sorting images, so employed someone to do it.

Didn't want to jump up and shoot every time a model walked through the doors or go to Prague on castings or do make up, or get the studio ready, or do a number of other jobs. I employed people to do it.

If I wanted to develop into another area to make more money. I didn't make excuses, I employed people.

All it takes to grow a business, is the talent to run one, the business skills and money.

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Poor Paul. His wife works every day and his kid is at school so he only has the weekend to see them, and for the third weekend running he is choosing to make long posts on GFY rather than spend quality time with them :(

sigh....

So I assume you couldn't go the extra mile to expand into paysites.

The saddest part of this thread is the lack of any decent replies. Which sponsors did diversificate, adapt into different markets, go to the other sides of porn, when they were still worth going to?

Roald knows that some sites by far out perform others. Would he of liked to own one, would he of liked more of them to send traffic to?

The obvious answer is yes, I point out the failings of online porn and his only answer is abuse or making fun of the post. The lack of a credible reply is sad.

Yes Madalton you may well sigh. You came in to late too see the glory days. Then again, you did stand in the wharehouse of Beate Uhste. Sigh!!!

You are writing apps and I am dunking my balls in Charlize Theron's ass.

so you couldnt go the extra mile and not just sell office furniture but also build it? :winkwink:

Oh there was a question in your wall of text?

You are correct :thumbsup

Her name was Uhse and it was Orion i was visiting :)

And my days are quite glorious right now, thank you :thumbsup

As I was just a worker in the business no I couldn't. Could Herman Miller go the extra mile and sell as well as produce?

Try harder please. :1orglaugh

Orion were mainly mail order and sold mostly toys. Laws in Germany about Mail Order Porn might of been the problem. Tell us about the laws.

I'm off to have a snack and sleep. Eva and our daughter are skiing and I finished another chapter of my life in porn.

The branches of ORION Versand GmbH & Co. KG
7 mail order companies in Europe:
Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Spain
More than 170 retail shops in Europe:
Germany, Austria, Denmark, Norway and Spain
ORION wholesale worldwide:
Delivery to big dispatchers, distributors and erotic shops

Nothing against Paul, just making fun. Paul is great value :thumbsup

It's too late now. Still you were just one of many who never looked outside what you were doing to expand, diversify and adapt.

Was it because you were unable to?

My annoyance with this industry is the way it accuses others for not doing what it didn't do.

And for assuming driving traffic is the be all and end all of this business. When it's clearly not on their own experience.

How many time have we seen these type of statements?

Any problem with not enough joins is put down to not enough traffic.

An affiliate saying he can convert anything given enough traffic.

He can sell anything with the right marketing.

That getting content is easy.

That getting traffic is hard.

All true if taken literally, but not sensible. Except the last one. Getting 10 surfers is easy. Getting a sale from them is the hard part.

I guess after taking abuse from dwarfs for so long, now they are seeing their results of the way the industry has been run, it's time for me to point it out.

:1orglaugh

Paul, no one doubts you have made some decent money over the years and worked hard for it and adapted when needed. But your constant babbling of repeated opinion or views and thread derailing doing so is what annoys everyone and that is why you receive so much negativity. But I'm sure you already know that.

roald wrote this crap

and paul responds to it ! with this!




:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:

If anyone had any remaining doubts about looney tunes this should seal it.

LOL what the fuck?

Paul, it really doesn't matter what I say. You will never agree with anything I say even when you know I am right.

Carry on :2 cents:

Has anyone said that not diversifying, not employing people to fill positions the boss can't do, not looking outside of one small avenue of business is "Being a good Businessman"?

Look at what people are saying. Usually just abuse. Madalton at least attempts to point to other porn businesses that didn't stay in one narrow avenue and did diversify into many areas. He's using his knowledge to put up a counter point.

Did porn shops rely on novelties over porn for their income? Anyone who's been in a porn shop prior to the demise of the porn industry will know the answer to that.

I like cheese

The problem is two views of the same situation.

Some see sponsors paying affiliates a lot and giving them all the help needed. As a good thing.

I see it as, saturating online porn with poor affiliates. Taking traffic from good ones.

Some see giving away lots of free porn, as getting lots of traffic.

I see it, as losing lots of sales.

Some see staying in a single sector as good.

I see it as missing an opportunity to make more money.

Some see making a smart ass reply as cool.

I see it as a lack of a credible reply.

Here's a credible reply. People are selling their traffic to others because they make more than trying to convert it. That means they are sending it to the wrong place so they offer it to others who pay for it and send it to where it needs to go. I really don't know why you have a personal hatred for traffic sellers and buyers when they are simply trying to keep porn sales alive. Period.

Good answer and thank you.

I would agree in some cases. Excluding those selling traffic, after trying to convert it themselves.

For some selling ad space is their best way of earning a living. Ultimately many sell traffic, some on bulk per 1,000s some on rev share sending t to others. Because they can't convert it themselves and earn more.

I have no hatred for traffic sellers and buyers. Only sadness that keeping the porn business alive has come to this.

Hatred is far too strong a word.

Sorry I didn't catch this one earlier. I was too busy, uh... out of the, uh, house... donating to "military families". Yeah, that'll do it. :1orglaugh

Anyway... pot, meet kettle.