Waiting to paxum reply??

The situation described in this thread relates to fraudulent activity from a couple months ago, and this is why those funds were removed. This situation was discussed at length at the time, and resulted in Paxum implementing some new protocols to help prevent future attempts of this type of fraudulent activity.

We conduct detailed investigations when we encounter any type of fraudulent activity in our service, and we take necessary steps based on the discovered information.

If you view the account screencaps posted by the OP in this thread, you will notice that the account shows a negative balance. This actually means that Paxum is the one experiencing a $6k+ loss at this time.

When a cheater is found to be using our service fraudulently then we make every endeavor to swiftly return any available funds to those clients affected. We have been helping programs eliminate fraud by removing carders from the system and we have always tried to return as much as possible to the originating accounts.

The issue that has been brought up in this thread is inconsequential to honest people that are here to make a living, this issue is in direct relation to exchanger fraud that we have since implemented additional measures to prevent. We did not reverse *and will not reverse* any transactions that were destined to honest clients. All transactions that were reversed involved funds funneled through accounts whose purpose wasn't to provide a direct service or product, *but to commit fraud or aid others to commit fraud*.

Since this occurrence a couple months ago, Paxum has actively increased security relating to our Credit Card loading option. We do NOT tolerate fraudulent or money-laundering activity in any way. Our stance toward fraud and the way we handle these situations will not change. We will always strive to return the funds to their rightful owner. In so doing, we hope to deter future fraud, and inspire more confidence from our trusted clients, by showing that we do not want any part in any type of fraud.

Do you think that I am not honest client ?
I do not see what you have suffered. I see that suffered only my account. This is my account balance is negative, not yours
Your answer - it is only a rant.You punish for someone else in the story except me? You made negative balance for someone too?
How many clients you have been punished in this transaction? Only me? I have had contact with criminals?

Well actually, until you pay the negative balance it IS their loss not yours. :2 cents:

How much amount refund? Explain to me why Paxum take so much money from me? You took care of me? :thumbsup


Ohhh no..... This is my balance, not paxum :)

We both know you're not going to bring that balance back to 0. You're going to stop using Paxum and start using Payoneer or something else. :2 cents:

interesting Q !

Or another another Paxum account.

Why do you think? :( I must make payments to webmasters in Paxum. I have Affiliate Program where 60% webmasters have Paxum as payment options.

This is Business Account on my company.

BWAAHAHAHAHHa what? So when he receives payment from someone else, let's say 2k, will he be able to cash out those 2k or will his balance go from -6k to -4k, thus making his 2k cover your loss? HAHAHAHA "Paxum has -6k loss". God, can you get someone with some sense to reply to this guy.

Another Paxum success story.

I lol'd at that statement too

http://www.nudebeachdreams.com/tour/index.php - no preview, just fucking join, thats kinda harsh lol

smells like bullsht.

Explain to me the relationship between this site and paxum's problems please :eyecrazy

Clueless, aren't you?

Even if you're in the right here, you threaten to go to the boards and...

oh, wait, just go to the boards. :1orglaugh With that one line you just lost any power you had. Total giveaway that you are, in fact, a complete nobody. No offense. Why the fuck did you think that one line wielded any power at all? And as a Russian, you have ZERO fucking excuse. Fuck Roman Abramovich out of a business deal... yeah, I'm sure he'll just "take it to the boards". :1orglaugh

For 5 cents you can badmouth me all day and night on the boards. Shit, 5 cents would be nice but truth be told, you can have it for free if you want. Makes as much difference to me as it does to Paxum. :1orglaugh

For $5k? Shit, niggga. This thread will be gone in 2 days whether you're in the right or not. Thanks for the easy money. :2 cents:

Nude Beach Dreams was redesigned today:

New tour and new beach orgies at NudeBeachDreams (pics)

But why discuss this site here? :disgust

Sorry but I dont know who is mister Roman Abramovich. This man does not work for me.

Ruth's economics 101.

we put your account to -6k, and that's paxum's loss of 6k!

You should apply for Yale economics. They'd love that shit over there. Very innovative. You, single handedly could be the solution to world crisis. They just need you to fix few corporate books.

Do you realize how common webmasters see this issue? It looks like the TS and some other people paid your lesson. Why would other people pay $6k (and more) for Paxum to learn how to improve its security which those people were relying on?

1. You missed a great number of accounts loaded by funds from stolen CCs
2. You missed all those funds transfered to a single account
3. This was happening for quite a long period of time
4. You warned some exchanger of not dealing with the abovementioned account holder but did nothing to prevent the suspicious account from moving funds. (Why?)

And in the end you just took funds from 2nd-3rd-4th-etc recipients of those money.

Great job of your security department! Oh... is there any? It looks like paxum is run by three persons including some stupid russian guy Anton, whose native language grammar is so poor that he had made a laughingstock of himself on the major russian-speaking adult message board.

Okay but that not your problem that account still own you the money that was refunded, so why dont he or she pay you?

This issue are more then 1 monts old and still Paxum that cover loss, so you think he not have stop all payment to this account.

we happy with ratio on that tour and our webmasters happy too

for own paysite you can do 15-20 minute preview videos, we dont mind ;)

i wish almost all sites had that tour...

This thread needs a music break.



I used to dance like crazy to this track. Now I'm old.

I think When thieves steal your 12.600 dollars , in your home will play music also, but you will not hear this music.
At your age you should be in bed. but not to be a DJ here.

I just scammed myself ...

They haven't steal your money, just refunded them to the senders. Just tell them to send you the money again that was refunded to them.

You know good jokes , but at a funeral it is inappropriate :)

Money stolen from A. They went through multiple accounts. " just refunded them to the senders?" Ask A? B? C? Paxum can not explain the 45 days the situation. You came in and immediately decide all questions :)

Read the answer from paxum:

They changed your system after after this situation. It is their fault. They must pay for their mistakes. But they paid your mistakes from my account.

Not a joke
If I own you $5000 and pay that your Paxum account and Paxum refond them to me, will you not expect that I send them back to you again?

Who is this man with you? ;-)

If everybody will as in yours speech then the world will be perfect.
I live on planet Earth and our humanoids do not do that. On what planet do you live with paxum?

Why will they pay you the frst time, but not return the money when Paxum refounded them.They still own you money , maybe you should start a three about the people that not pay you the money they own you.

Sorry to say but for me it looks like you are a part of the scam.

Well, your tour has no preview, that sucks donkey balls, i would never sign up, if you are happy then its good for you - thats another story.

Regarding Paxum.

I must say I understand what happened, everyone does.

This is what happened, a hole in the Paxum security system:


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Somebody's gotta fix and pay it:

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But Paxum goes like:

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because they act like:

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/im...MXmKlRZuYir1MA


so you get fucked :

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Now, all you can do is taking this shit up to work it out legal way:


http://www.instructables.com/image/F...Legal-Crap.jpg

I don't like your avatar, sorry.

All this only shows why governments typically have to monitor and regulate such services. I don't have a full grasp of what happened here but from what I gather transactions were reversed from Party B and Party C because of a fraudulent transaction from Party A. I think the reversal from Party B would be expected but the reversal from Party C is potentially a problem.

Party A > Party B > Party C

It seems wrong for Paxum to reverse transactions and take funds from Party C due to what happened with Party A when Party C has had no business dealings with Party A. Further by what process does Paxum use to decide which third parties who did business with Party B will get their transactions reversed? For instance maybe Paxum is reversing transactions for affiliates first to cover losses but taking from sponsors and other service providers last. Or maybe it's being done based on who has the most money in their account to take at the time. Or dare say it might even be based on who Paxum likes the best. :1orglaugh

So we see where it can all be a problem and there can be a conflict of interest and it seems we need some kind of regulation here. Which entity is it again in Canada which is regulating Paxum? I think when they first started they mentioned they were regulated in some way over there. It may be worth contacting that entity and asking them to confirm that Paxum is following all applicable regulations. There are reasons for certain regulations being in place. Personally at some point I think Paxum should be the one's to take the loss rather than innocent third parties. This then provides some incentive for Paxum to be more careful in regards to processing fraudulent transactions.

Another question here is when Paxum changed the procedures for handling this were they required to publish this anywhere and give notice and did they? It almost appears they decided how to handle this on-the-fly. Is that legal? :upsidedow

There is a lot of conjecture in this thread. As TheSwed points out however, if the OP had actually received funds from a company for a legitimate purpose (such as traffic/sales), and those funds were refunded from their account due to fraudulent activity, shouldn't the person who originally sent the funds, then resend them?

It is the same example as if somebody pays you with a bad check that will bounce. You do not expect the bank to cover the bad check and you do not claim the bank stole your money, it is the person that sent you the bad check that needs to send you the money again.

When funds are found to be fraudulent, we refund them from the fraudulent accounts. If, however, those fraudulent funds are sent to legitimate users for legitimate purposes, then Paxum swallows the loss and does NOT extract those payments from those accounts, we simply refund the money ourselves.

For example:
Say an affiliate program has 10 webmasters to pay each month. He has funds in his account that are found to have been deposited fraudulently. Some of those funds have already left his account and have been sent to his webmasters via P2P, for payment for their traffic/sales. In situations like this, the money that the affiliate program has sent their affiliates is NOT claimed back. Paxum honors those payments and simply deducts the additional expense from the issuing account, resulting in a negative balance for the issuing account. This then equals a loss to Paxum, since those funds will likely never be recovered.

There is also conjecture in this thread that the fraud was 2,3, or perhaps even 4 people away from the OP. This is incorrect, as there was a direct connection.

The ONLY people who suffered ANY loss of funds in this situation were the fraudulent account-holders, and Paxum. No webmasters, or legitimate account-holders were affected in any way.

We can go around and around in circles on this topic, it can be twisted to the left, to the right and on its head, but the facts will NEVER change. Fraudulent activity will NOT be tolerated, and we will not accept those types of transactions in our system.

@signupdamnit - You're thinking of FINTRAC. Here is our listing - http://www10.fintrac-canafe.gc.ca/ms...19556-eng.html

How did you allow fraudulent CC pesos in the system at all?

https://www.epassporte.com/secure/jsp/signup/Signup.jsp :troll

Please explain more how -6k on his account is your loss.

Do not invent Brazilian serials please. I was registered in the first days of birth Paxum and have Paxum's business account. I have a status of "active" in my account in Paxum. Paxum not think that I am a bandit. Maybe he thinks I am a cash cow but not a bandit :)
You advise to ask for refund from another account. Look at the chart and tell me who should return money back?

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Of course, they had problems with security. I do not know who have stolen the money and had no contact with them. They were all far away from my transactions. I am sure that the money went in different directions even from "A" account. I think refund being done based on who has the most money in their account to take at the time. Paxum can not withdraw money from accounts where there is no money

After this problems whith security paxum changed the security system but punish me only .