Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18853704)

beaner, I want to add this piece of shit scammer, theif to my webmaster blacklist, I hope it's ok with you?

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 18853643)

is eric at.... gfy.com the right email to contact?

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18853629)

please post all websites involved in order to make a fair judgement.

Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18853801)

Why?

People seem to be getting alone fine with one persons view of the argument.

Saving 75% on coding fees by hiring some toerag from Romania just go and cost you your business.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18853912)

In the future, never give anyone root for any reason. If they insist, Teamviewer via your system as you watch them. This way you'll be able to control what they do as you can simply close the program and you haven't given them anything. If they refuse, fuck'em

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18853912)

In the future, never give anyone root for any reason. If they insist, Teamviewer via your system as you watch them. This way you'll be able to control what they do as you can simply close the program and you haven't given them anything. If they refuse, fuck'em

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 18853384)

what niche is that that has no competition?

Originally Posted by scriptguy (Post 18853346)

/snip poorly written bullshit

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18853969)

Seriously delusional? - I've weeded out many of programers using this method. Just the mere mention of using teamviewer stops them before they even start. Also, hiring a reliable programmer is not hard. Go to places like Odesk and don't hire anyone unless they've been around less then a year and read their reviews and ask serious questions.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 18853820)

I've forwarded all the information to the people that need to know. Now my attorney is taking care of all the takedowns required.

Could be a guy from Romania, a guy from the states, anybody. My point of this thread is to make sure *** scriptguy *** doesn't do it again.

It is no longer 1 sided point of view either... scriptguy posted in this thread and admitted to taking the idea. He said he redid the programming (which is bullshit)... he absolutely, 100% stole the files and databases.

Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18854006)

Then if your contract was written up correctly you have a case.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 18854027)

The contract was for him to correct the contact us form and make email verification required. It is understood from any legal avenue and common sense that hired programmer does not download entire content of server and then almost 2 years later put them on his own domain names.

I've said all this in previous posts.

I'm walking away from the computer, hopefully for the entire weekend.

Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18854006)

Then if your contract was written up correctly you have a case.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18853948)

If you make a donation up to $100 to any children's charity or groups like the ACLU, injustice everywhere, or the Innocence Project, i'll be happy to help.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18853948)

Beaner, you'd be wasting your time with an attorney if this guy is overseas and obviously very cocky rubbing your face in it here. If you have his basic information, pay info, logged conversations, and sites? There's very good odds (can't promise) I can find them within a day or so, especially if he's in EE, but I ain't going to do it for free.

If you make a donation up to $100 to any children's charity or groups like the ACLU, injustice everywhere, or the Innocence Project, i'll be happy to help.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18853948)

True, very true. BUT if you're not smart enough to know your server or understand plisk or CP as you watch them copy your shit rather then fixing a "contact us" page? - Stupidity can be very expensive.

Beaner, you'd be wasting your time with an attorney if this guy is overseas and obviously very cocky rubbing your face in it here. If you have his basic information, pay info, logged conversations, and sites? There's very good odds (can't promise) I can find them within a day or so, especially if he's in EE, but I ain't going to do it for free.

If you make a donation up to $100 to any children's charity or groups like the ACLU, injustice everywhere, or the Innocence Project, i'll be happy to help.

Originally Posted by woj (Post 18853951)

you guys are delusional if you think "teamviewer" or "don't give them root" is going to save you from a skilled programmer that wants to steal your stuff... the only solution is hiring someone reputable that you trust... avoiding programmers that bill $5/hr from 3rd world countries is probably a good idea too, they have nothing to lose, so odds of getting fucked are pretty high... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18854353)

Yes, find out who he is. You can at least bring him to the table to talk if you are 100% certain those are his sites. The real question, once you find him what can/would you do about it? If he's overseas there are things you can do, but suing a guy in Romania (if there) is a colossal waste of time. All they'll do is milk you for legal fees until you catch on.

If he's in Romania (Eastern Europe) and you know who he is and where, well this opens many different options for you. First understand in EE they take great pride in fucking over Americans, but most are stuck there and can never leave.

This culture thrives on gossip as they like to brand each other in their communities and this brand lasts a lifetime. Second, if he's webmaster and making money he's not in the local thug social scene and probably keeping a very low profile for wealth preservation. As crazy as this sounds, there is a perception of a mafia type mentality everywhere as you truly never know.

So if you expose this guy as a wealthy internet webmaster who fucks over people even if he's not, I assure you sooner or later someone will confront him about it, real mafia highly doubtful, fake wannabe mafia who got caught and now work as ferrets for the police? Absolutely.

WTS, Eastern Europeans biggest weakness is their family and a simple brand will cover them all for life. They thrive on talking about each other and highly suggest using this angle especially if you find out where he lives. In short, they can never shake that village mentality even if they live in the city.

If I read the complaint correctly, he stole more then just your concept? Meaning, if he stole just a concept, welcome to the internet, but if he stole your web properties and profiting from it and thinks he can't be touched in Romania? Well, he's in for a big surprise.

Finally, what are you expecting from him? What do you want him to do., ie the end result?

Originally Posted by JosephFM (Post 18853723)

He pulled a Mark Zuckerberg on you.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18854353)

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Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18853704)

beaner, I want to add this piece of shit scammer, theif to my webmaster blacklist, I hope it's ok with you?

Originally Posted by Kostly (Post 18853407)

Once you wrote a piece of code, its easy to write it again, and the second time you write it will be better then the first. It will also take 1/10th the original time.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18854167)

In Romania?

Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18854793)

Not as corrupt as you expect.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18854353)

Yes, find out who he is. You can at least bring him to the table to talk if you are 100% certain those are his sites. The real question, once you find him what can/would you do about it? If he's overseas there are things you can do, but suing a guy in Romania (if there) is a colossal waste of time. All they'll do is milk you for legal fees until you catch on.

If he's in Romania (Eastern Europe) and you know who he is and where, well this opens many different options for you. First understand in EE they take great pride in fucking over Americans, but most are stuck there and can never leave.

This culture thrives on gossip as they like to brand each other in their communities and this brand lasts a lifetime. Second, if he's webmaster and making money he's not in the local thug social scene and probably keeping a very low profile for wealth preservation. As crazy as this sounds, there is a perception of a mafia type mentality everywhere as you truly never know.

So if you expose this guy as a wealthy internet webmaster who fucks over people even if he's not, I assure you sooner or later someone will confront him about it, real mafia highly doubtful, fake wannabe mafia who got caught and now work as ferrets for the police? Absolutely.

WTS, Eastern Europeans biggest weakness is their family and a simple brand will cover them all for life. They thrive on talking about each other and highly suggest using this angle especially if you find out where he lives. In short, they can never shake that village mentality even if they live in the city.

If I read the complaint correctly, he stole more then just your concept? Meaning, if he stole just a concept, welcome to the internet, but if he stole your web properties and profiting from it and thinks he can't be touched in Romania? Well, he's in for a big surprise.

Finally, what are you expecting from him? What do you want him to do., ie the end result?

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 18852861)

one of my best friends fucked me over my work, that is making him money now. of course no more my friend. but most programers are like that, not all but most, they cannot do nothing else that count and write. every kid can be good at programming, but only few kids may brings some ideas. and if programmer have chance to steal, he will steal, he will and will do that, period! lesson learned :)

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 18854888)

I donated a hundo to the innoncence project. I saw that Betty Anne movie a while back and the first time I heard about the project.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 18854888)

I donated a hundo to the innoncence project. I saw that Betty Anne movie a while back and the first time I heard about the project.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18856062)

Good for you.:thumbsup

I just broke down the simple information (below) and googled separately phone, ICQ, email, etc.

MRM Media.
Phone: (0040) 752 523472
ICQ: 260892954
MSN: [email protected]
GMAIL: [email protected]
Email: [email protected]
ZigZag Uploader v1.0
keenak
etc...

Then I hit PageInsider Then reverse IP Lookup (not 100% reliable) Then hit Archive.org and pulled old contact information on some of the sites and googled that. This lead me to forums he visits for fun and read his post (Google translation is your friend). I was able to encircle this guy in less then 20 minutes.

The only reason I stopped is this guy is NOT hiding and could of easily covered his path better if he's a scammer. So Beaner, let me ask again? Did he "just" steal your concept because in my opinion, although shitty, it's the Internet and concept stealing is a sport.

BUT if he took more then just your concept, well then he's easy to find. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18856062)

So Beaner, let me ask again? Did he "just" steal your concept because in my opinion, although shitty, it's the Internet and concept stealing is a sport.

Originally Posted by scriptguy (Post 18853346)

Hello Beaner,

I saw the last thread and I've read this current one.

I repeat: I didn't steal anything from you!

I've build my website to offer almost the same services as you do since I saw a potential market.

(If you question yourself that a programmer can't replicate any website then you are delusional)

I know why you are upset, you are upset because until now you didn't have any competition in that niche and that's why you are throwing stones.

But this is not how you handle competition if you want no competition then you try to acquire competition. I've taken a look in the niche and I saw companies that offer desktop software for almost the same services. Are you going to go after them as well ?

If you want my domains you can say so, maybe we can reach a deal if you want to acquire your competition.

Just take a look at tube sites, what if only one tube would have a monopoly on all traffic?
If another tube site came he would try anything in his power to acquire.
Without competition we wouldn't even have facebook.

As a last warning, I'm telling you this: stop with the hate words because I don't like to get mad.
Just play this game fair! Or you are too afraid?

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18854353)

WTS, Eastern Europeans biggest weakness is their family and a simple brand will cover them all for life. They thrive on talking about each other and highly suggest using this angle especially if you find out where he lives. In short, they can never shake that village mentality even if they live in the city.

Originally Posted by barcodes (Post 18853408)

The way i took it was that beaner made something unique then hired scriptguy who remade it for himself and bought a similar domain.

If I thought of pinterest and paid someone to create it online for me, and they bought ponterest and made the same exact type of site i would be a bit pissed :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18857135)

Scriptguy was hired after the sites were complete, to take care of a contact form, etc. Instead, he downloaded the whole site, scripts, text, everything. The main scripting wasn't anything he wrote - he straight up stole it. Having seen the sites myself, the text is copied straight from Beaner's site.

Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18857135)

Scriptguy was hired after the sites were complete, to take care of a contact form, etc. Instead, he downloaded the whole site, scripts, text, everything. The main scripting wasn't anything he wrote - he straight up stole it. Having seen the sites myself, the text is copied straight from Beaner's site.

Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18857135)

Scriptguy was hired after the sites were complete, to take care of a contact form, etc. Instead, he downloaded the whole site, scripts, text, everything. The main scripting wasn't anything he wrote - he straight up stole it. Having seen the sites myself, the text is copied straight from Beaner's site.

Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 18857284)

3 pages later and no defense.

You get what you pay for in the end. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Jet Set Cat (Post 18856274)

scriptguy ?we specialize in site development and programming and do a good job at it. Unless of course we feel your project has potential, in that case we just take it for ourselves.?

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18852761)

When hiring a programer, ask for references that you can verify yourself. Whenever possible, worth with a programmer in your own country and insist on a written signed agreement. When providing access, make sure the FTP info is to a development server with test data only, and not a production server with production data. Under no circumstances should you allow anyone root or administrative access to your server, or allow access to other directories. When the job is finished make sure there are no other programs or scripts installed that should not be there. Demand the source code and review everything carefully where possible before making anything live, and before paying the balance.