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porno jew 04-04-2012 10:15 AM

if smutnut was paid his money there would be no thread. the end.

media revenue just hires party bro clowns like this to put a smiling rat face on their operation. and yet so many in this thread fall for it. mission accomplished.

smutnut 04-04-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18866133)
if smutnut was paid his money there would be no thread. the end.

media revenue just hires party bro clowns like this to put a smiling rat face on their operation. and yet so many in this thread fall for it. mission accomplished.

Dude, I actually did get paid just now. In my Paxum account which I didn't want, but rip on man. They deserve it and this thread never should have had to have been started. I am behind you 100 percent. I just don't want to lie.

signupdamnit 04-04-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLegacy (Post 18866098)
Hey Smut - I totally agree in that you should and MUST get paid (maybe with interest) - and do agreed financially that you have been mistreated. My only question is this - often I see rep's that don't act on their own outside of the company - could Derek simply be following orders when he brings this to his superiors and is merely parroting what they say to him?

If that was the case then it's the company management that's the problem and Derek is caught in the middle never knowing the truth.

I don't know the full story for this case but affiliate reps should watch out if their employer asks them to basically commit fraud. In some jurisdictions it's possible that falsely claiming payments have been sent in order to get an affiliate to continue sending traffic (a good or service) while having good reason to know that the payment has not and likely never will be sent might be considered a fraudulent activity. If the amount were $xxxx I personally wouldn't be beyond contacting my local authorities as well as those in the sponsor and rep's jurisdiction about possible criminal charges. I'd do it out of principle and to make life hell for someone who cheated me because I know the squeaky wheel often gets the grease.

Claiming you were just following your employers orders is no defense to fraud. While it's unlikely to actually lead to persecution stranger things have happened and that doesn't mean a pissed off affiliate couldn't try.

Socks 04-04-2012 10:23 AM

You seriously just called their new accounting girl a "whore" ?

Just one of the perks of being in the adult industry, getting publicly verbally abused by your business partners first day on the job I guess.

JFK 04-04-2012 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18865965)
Derek buys a lot of people beers at conventions.

used to, but have'nt seen him in years:2 cents:

smutnut 04-04-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Socks (Post 18866154)
You seriously just called their new accounting girl a "whore" ?

Just one of the perks of being in the adult industry, getting publicly verbally abused by your business partners first day on the job I guess.

Yes, to her face too. She's actually kind of a cute whore though I have to admit

I mean to her ICQ face, not right at her, but we have distance LOL

signupdamnit 04-04-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18866133)
if smutnut was paid his money there would be no thread. the end.

That's true. Sometimes shit happens but most companies do not have any problem getting the check or payment to their affiliates. Misunderstandings aside you mess with the bull and you get the horns. I can't say I condone his insults of the female employee though.

smutnut 04-04-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 18866153)
I don't know the full story for this case but affiliate reps should watch out if their employer asks them to basically commit fraud. In some jurisdictions it's possible that falsely claiming payments have been sent in order to get an affiliate to continue sending traffic (a good or service) while having good reason to know that the payment has not and likely never will be sent might be considered a fraudulent activity. If the amount were $xxxx I personally wouldn't be beyond contacting my local authorities as well as those in the sponsor and rep's jurisdiction about possible criminal charges. I'd do it out of principle and to make life hell for someone who cheated me because I know the squeaky wheel often gets the grease.

Claiming you were just following your employers orders is no defense to fraud. While it's unlikely to actually lead to persecution stranger things have happened and that doesn't mean a pissed off affiliate couldn't try.

I have no association with them. I actually got paid. I hate their fucking guts still. I even started downloading their content on torrents cause I was going to use it to promote other teen sponsors but since they paid I probably won't do that now.

But I will start swapping out links from the traffic i generated for other teen programs.

smutnut 04-04-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 18866175)
That's true. Sometimes shit happens but most companies do not have any problem getting the check or payment to their affiliates. Misunderstandings aside you mess with the bull and you get the horns. I can't say I condone his insults of the female employee though.

You guys don't know how to work a room, that's why you're not getting paid :1orglaugh

Scream, bitch, piss and moan. I know it's shameless, but I'm a shameless fucker 500 bucks richer right now LOL

Rothstein 04-04-2012 10:36 AM

once you go rogue you stop going to shows.

candyflip 04-04-2012 10:37 AM

So much for their policy of not paying if you bring your drama to the boards.

Phoenix 04-04-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866170)
Yes, to her face too. She's actually kind of a cute whore though I have to admit

I mean to her ICQ face, not right at her, but we have distance LOL

you lost my respect

smutnut 04-04-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18866275)
you lost my respect

Dude you should have a look at her. I just jerked off over her and she was in chains and getting her dirty ass wiped and it had red lashes across it and everything :1orglaugh

smutnut 04-04-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 18866210)
So much for their policy of not paying if you bring your drama to the boards.

Yeah, it's more like that's HOW you get paid LOL :1orglaugh

ajrocks 04-04-2012 11:07 AM

So you admit that your standard practice is to steal content and you are complaining about not getting paid?

HAPPYPEEKERS 04-04-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866110)
Yes, I'm certain Derek could be and now that I just got paid, no hard feelings,

My ass dude.. that was very rude the way that you treated him. He was nice to you in the icqs and very professional .



I am glad you got paid but there was no reason for you to say such mean, ugly things about him.

Shame on you :-(

I do not think you are "working a room"
But you have sure shown me your business ethics :thumbsup

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ajrocks (Post 18866313)
So you admit that your standard practice is to steal content and you are complaining about not getting paid?

No, I didnt' admit that at all, (but awesome comeback?). It was a good idea I thought cause I know torrents have a lot of free shit that is being ripped off and I found one that has their shit. I'm not even telling you which one it is so that's how much not a thief I am, and I should fucking certainly make sure everyone gets their shit for free LOL. :1orglaugh

I did download some of their stuff already, but i probably could have just joined their sites and done the same thing. No real plans until they fuck me again which is inevitable. Even when I stop promoting people I usually still get sign ups so they will owe me again soon regardless

candyflip 04-04-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 18866353)
My ass dude.. that was very rude the way that you treated him. He was nice to you in the icqs and very professional .

He was lying every step of the way. He was being nice, because he still wanted the traffic even.

How is that professional? And are you nice to people who lie to your face every time you talk to them?

xNetworx 04-04-2012 11:25 AM

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smutnut 04-04-2012 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 18866353)
My ass dude.. that was very rude the way that you treated him. He was nice to you in the icqs and very professional .



I am glad you got paid but there was no reason for you to say such mean, ugly things about him.

Shame on you :-(

I do not think you are "working a room"
But you have sure shown me your business ethics :thumbsup

I can't believe you're mad at me. Anyway, I got paid. I'll bet a lot of people with their business ethics havent'. It's like that episode of GAME OF THRONES when the guy fought for the imp and the queen of that house said, "You don't fight with honor" while her 12 year old was sucking on her tit, and the guy who won the fight pointed down to the dead guy who they tossed off the ledge said, "He did." :winkwink:

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 18866372)
He was lying every step of the way. He was being nice, because he still wanted the traffic even.

How is that professional? And are you nice to people who lie to your face every time you talk to them?

Dude you're the only one who gets my side. If not for you I would be thinking I was wrong, seriously.

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by StripperCash (Post 18866373)

I dont' even know what this means. Is this your gay lover?

2MuchMark 04-04-2012 11:38 AM

Smutbut,

In your very first post in this thread, you said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18865002)
He's the guy Teen Revenue brought in before stopping paying their affiliates.

By your own statement, you know that Dwreck is not to blame for the current problem you are having with Teen Revenue. I've had the pleasure of meeting Dwreck in the past. He's a good guy and alot of people like him. (Have you ever met him?) Instead of trashing him, why not ask for his help instead? He could probably get the situation resolved quickly for you if you give him the chance. (I'd also start with a public apology if I were you)

:2 cents:

porno jew 04-04-2012 11:41 AM

you guys have no clue. smutnut is entirely correct about how this media revenue rep deals with everything. "sorry but please send more traffic." predictable that the bros and fellow reps come in here to save him.

just shows who the spineless cocksuckers are on here.

Rebel D 04-04-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 18866372)
He was lying every step of the way. He was being nice, because he still wanted the traffic even.

How is that professional? And are you nice to people who lie to your face every time you talk to them?

I don;t know both sides totally but i know In another business i was in i was told payments had been sent or the "check went out" by accounting.

Of course it wasn;t but i was passing info on that i was given. This may or may not be the case but i have seen it before. Not just in adult.

Bryan G 04-04-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866383)
I dont' even know what this means. Is this your gay lover?

You know exactly what that means.

alextokyo 04-04-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18866398)
I've had the pleasure of meeting Dwreck in the past. He's a good guy and alot of people like him.


Yeah. Dwreck is a top notch, stand up guy.




:1orglaugh

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18866398)
Smutbut,

I've had the pleasure of meeting Dwreck in the past and he has been to our place of business a few times as well, and he's a good guy.

In your very first post in this thread, you said:



By your own statement, you know that Dwreck is not to blame for the current problem you are having with Teen Revenue. Instead of trashing him, why not ask for his help instead? Everyone likes the man so he's therefore influential, and could probably get the situation resolved quickly for you if you give him the chance, and ask him nicely.

:2 cents:

Yeah, yeah , yeah, remember this when you are not being paid or getting screwed and need someone to back you up, from anyone, not just Derek (the scum of the earth). We reap what we sow.

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by alextokyo (Post 18866418)
Yeah. Dwreck is a top notch, stand up guy.




:1orglaugh

The funniest part of that statment is "and a lot of people like him" LOL too fucking awesome :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Best-In-BC 04-04-2012 11:47 AM

Any one who has delt with him knows the truth, smutnut aint far off im sry to say

porno jew 04-04-2012 11:48 AM

"sorry about that but please send traffic."

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebel D (Post 18866409)
I don;t know both sides totally but i know In another business i was in i was told payments had been sent or the "check went out" by accounting.

Of course it wasn;t but i was passing info on that i was given. This may or may not be the case but i have seen it before. Not just in adult.

And no one believes you didn't know either. Sorry. I just can't stand this bullshit. Use your common sense and figure it out. Should take about a week or so.

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 18866414)
You know exactly what that means.

So it is his gay lover? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

V_RocKs 04-04-2012 11:51 AM

Wow...

All of this over less than 200 some odd bucks?

I realize the perceived amounts of payments are relative to ones net worth. To me this amount is not something I would start a thread like this over. When I was on page one I fully expected this to be over no less than $2000.

Your unprofessional attitude would be enough for me to cancel your account. People like you just aren't worth the trouble.

Unfortunately TR has had problems in the past with payments. If ePassporte's blowup never happened and TR never missed a payment I am sure Paolo himself would come in here and ban you right here. Publicly. Because had ePassporte not eaten up their money in motion payments they would still have enough of a stellar reputation to do so.

If you were talking this shit to Fuck You Cash, Nasty Dollars, Brazzers, etc, they would have just shit canned you in public to let everyone else know you are not worth the shit you stir up.

No matter how much that $200 is worth to you it is not OK to threaten violence against women. Period. For that reason alone I am wondering why GFY hasn't banned you.

Maybe they have since I started writing this?

Sly 04-04-2012 11:53 AM

My belief as an affiliate rep is that my affiliates are my responsibility. If there is a payment issue, it's my job to make sure it's handled. I don't think I have ever told one of my affiliates to talk to accounting. That's my job.

Whether other affiliate reps feel the same way, I have no idea. Just sharing my approach.

I'm glad you got paid. You should cool down on the name-calling though. ;-)

webair 04-04-2012 11:54 AM

All i know is Derek Smout is a master at Jeet Koon Do, Kanoshin, kuk soon wan, and tai chi chuan. He speaks several languages, and will most likely fuck you up if you even look at him the wrong way.

Watch what you say

Rochard 04-04-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by StripperCash (Post 18866373)

LOL. (I'd hit it.)

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18866452)
My belief as an affiliate rep is that my affiliates are my responsibility. If there is a payment issue, it's my job to make sure it's handled. I don't think I have ever told one of my affiliates to talk to accounting. That's my job.

Whether other affiliate reps feel the same way, I have no idea. Just sharing my approach.

I'm glad you got paid. You should cool down on the name-calling though. ;-)

Thank you. I always liked Top Bucks I might have to start sending shit that way now

alextokyo 04-04-2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18865788)
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 7:56 AM

who is your top coverting sponser right now
Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:56 AM

different niche all together
Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:56 AM

niches i should say
Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:56 AM

keeps changing up
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 8:10 AM

what niche is that
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 8:10 AM

im trying to get a grip on how to improve your conversions
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 8:10 AM

and offer any help ideas or support

This is exactly what I'm saying.

The guy is an ignorant brown-nosing ginger twat & fucking bottom-feeding cockroach who doesn't know when to call it quits.

He needs to learn how to leave people the fuck alone and stop being a pushy annoying twat. This is the exact same shit he was trying to pull with me years ago, except that he pestered me all fucking day. And every day after that, for a good 3 or 4 weeks. After several weeks of no responses, he finally got the message.

If he had any clue at all about how to improve anything, he'd be the webmaster and not the clueless asshole bouncing around from company to company in bottom rung, lowlife part-time "rep" positions and pestering people on ICQ for ten bucks here and ten bucks there.

The guy is a no talent rat-faced parasite piece of shit who will do anything for the promise of a few dollars. As far as I'm concerned, he's a fucking joke. Fuck that clown.

smutnut 04-04-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18866446)
Wow...

All of this over less than 200 some odd bucks?

I realize the perceived amounts of payments are relative to ones net worth. To me this amount is not something I would start a thread like this over. When I was on page one I fully expected this to be over no less than $2000.

Your unprofessional attitude would be enough for me to cancel your account. People like you just aren't worth the trouble.

Unfortunately TR has had problems in the past with payments. If ePassporte's blowup never happened and TR never missed a payment I am sure Paolo himself would come in here and ban you right here. Publicly. Because had ePassporte not eaten up their money in motion payments they would still have enough of a stellar reputation to do so.

If you were talking this shit to Fuck You Cash, Nasty Dollars, Brazzers, etc, they would have just shit canned you in public to let everyone else know you are not worth the shit you stir up.

No matter how much that $200 is worth to you it is not OK to threaten violence against women. Period. For that reason alone I am wondering why GFY hasn't banned you.

Maybe they have since I started writing this?

Actually not getting any check that reaches minimum payment is reason to freak out. I am sure you are elite and all but people that really make the gears turn in this business need a little fucking respect too.

HAPPYPEEKERS 04-04-2012 11:57 AM

So mean :-(

porno jew 04-04-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 18866473)
While I have your attention....

Sponsors..

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If you are a sponsor and have this EXACT format on your export tool...

please post your link and I will sign up under you.

I have about 30 sites or more to replace ALL of the videos on.

I need ALL niches

:-)

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now back to arguing :-P

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smutnut 04-04-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18866481)

OMG!!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

alextokyo 04-04-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 18866473)
url_to_video

In my day, we could afford the $100/month to host shit on our own servers. It's $3/day, for fucks sake.

Oh, wait... you plan is to give so much shit away for free that you can't even afford to host it yourself. :1orglaugh

Get the fuck out of here, assclown. :2 cents:

V_RocKs 04-04-2012 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866472)
Actually not getting any check that reaches minimum payment is reason to freak out. I am sure you are elite and all but people that really make the gears turn in this business need a little fucking respect too.

I very much respect those that are putting in their time and expecting something in return. What I don't respect is death threats and what not. Especially on a woman. I guess I am just old school. Is this how your mom and dad taught you to respect women?

If you go back you will find a thread created by me when TR skipped their payment during the ePassporte debacle. It is titled something akin to "Anyone else not getting their TR payments?"

And in it I don't bash them. I politely ask if I am the only one. And the bros come in and tell me I am a shithead for even making suggestions that they wouldn't pay me... That is not what I am doing with you. I am not happy with your tone and your accusations. I didn't accuse anyone of anything... I just asked if I was the only one. Sure enough though there were scores of members here that chimed in about having also not been paid. Then TR came in to explain that their money is in motion too... Just like everyone else... So they are scrambling trying to convert everyone to checks and pay that account so they don't bounce...

My thread and your thread are polar opposites... And you would have received your Paxum payment just as quickly as you did had you just hit up accounting in Email or ICQ and explained the situation... Making your thread didn't do anything to speed it up. They were already going to pay you via Paxum... Which takes time because they have to send it to Paxum and then from there to you. Funding the account takes time on Paxum's side.

ajrocks 04-04-2012 12:18 PM

Bottom line, you don't need to act like a douche bag, try to carry yourself as a professional. That means even when you are having issues with someone you don't have to act like an asshole, you don't need to threaten people, make personal attacks.

Calling out the company is one thing if you didn't get paid and leave it at that. I doubt very much Derek has anything to do with why you were paid late.

Just have some common decency, treat people how you expect to be treated.

This is business, there are always going to be issues, I have people trying to rip me off all the time but I don't post personal attacks in public about them. Sometimes I really want to drag people through the mud but it makes you as bad as the people you are getting screwed by.

Sasha18 04-04-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Makaveli (Post 18865708)
Just pay this fucking idiot his 60 bucks already..

I agree :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

JFK 04-04-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajrocks (Post 18866516)
Bottom line, you don't need to act like a douche bag, try to carry yourself as a professional. That means even when you are having issues with someone you don't have to act like an asshole, you don't need to threaten people, make personal attacks.

Calling out the company is one thing if you didn't get paid and leave it at that. I doubt very much Derek has anything to do with why you were paid late.

Just have some common decency, treat people how you expect to be treated.

This is business, there are always going to be issues, I have people trying to rip me off all the time but I don't post personal attacks in public about them. Sometimes I really want to drag people through the mud but it makes you as bad as the people you are getting screwed by.

Quote:

Just have some common decency, treat people how you expect to be treated.
come on now AJ, did you forget where you were ?:2 cents:

smutnut 04-04-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18866503)
I very much respect those that are putting in their time and expecting something in return. What I don't respect is death threats and what not. Especially on a woman. I guess I am just old school. Is this how your mom and dad taught you to respect women?

If you go back you will find a thread created by me when TR skipped their payment during the ePassporte debacle. It is titled something akin to "Anyone else not getting their TR payments?"

And in it I don't bash them. I politely ask if I am the only one. And the bros come in and tell me I am a shithead for even making suggestions that they wouldn't pay me... That is not what I am doing with you. I am not happy with your tone and your accusations. I didn't accuse anyone of anything... I just asked if I was the only one. Sure enough though there were scores of members here that chimed in about having also not been paid. Then TR came in to explain that their money is in motion too... Just like everyone else... So they are scrambling trying to convert everyone to checks and pay that account so they don't bounce...

My thread and your thread are polar opposites... And you would have received your Paxum payment just as quickly as you did had you just hit up accounting in Email or ICQ and explained the situation... Making your thread didn't do anything to speed it up. They were already going to pay you via Paxum... Which takes time because they have to send it to Paxum and then from there to you. Funding the account takes time on Paxum's side.

I dont' really care, I got paid. You do it your way and I will do it mine. I am a reality tv fan if you aren't you are living in the 80's

smutnut 04-04-2012 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajrocks (Post 18866516)
Bottom line, you don't need to act like a douche bag, try to carry yourself as a professional. That means even when you are having issues with someone you don't have to act like an asshole, you don't need to threaten people, make personal attacks.

Calling out the company is one thing if you didn't get paid and leave it at that. I doubt very much Derek has anything to do with why you were paid late.

Just have some common decency, treat people how you expect to be treated.

This is business, there are always going to be issues, I have people trying to rip me off all the time but I don't post personal attacks in public about them. Sometimes I really want to drag people through the mud but it makes you as bad as the people you are getting screwed by.

YOu have a fucking fanged monkey badger or something as your avatar and you are telling people to act professional LOL. :1orglaugh I guess it's all about what edge of the cliff you are standing on or something. Who fucking knows or cares.

I got paid. I would advise anyone dealing with these assholes to act exactly as I acted or just write it off. It's that simple.

Believe me, it wasn't easy and took a lot of energy, but i either wanted my money or wanted them to burn. that's all


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