BryanG i sent you an email.

She's just blindly defending him because he was a good guy at a show back in the day.

She's clueless as to the situation and what went down the past 2 years. She even said it herself.

:helpme

What I don't get is why is Derek being made to relay information from accounting in the first place? Shouldn't accounting be conducting a fiduciary discussion and not leave such sensitive matters to a marketing rep? Even given the "on vacation", "family emergency" etc., whatever excuse accepted - I still think this question should be asked, especially by Derek as an employee. All he should've had to do was tell the affiliate "accounting will return by Xx/Yy/Zz and contact you asap"

I must have woke up in a parallel universe where that sort of thing makes sense... Oh, no, that's right. I work in adult where that type of professional conduct is not only considered acceptable but normal. Almost forgot.

If he sent 2 sales per pay period that's 2 more than you ever sent anybody

What I don't get is how as affiliates in marketing (not just adult) we are supposed to automatically extend 15 to 30 or more net credit terms to each "client" we get.

If brick and mortar vendors did this as a habit they would all be broke in no time.

It seems like at the very least there should be some kind of a unified credit scoring system for affiliate programs, where the likelihood of them paying what is owed on time can be quantified in some way.

If I am late on a car payment or a credit card payment my ability to get credit from third parties in the future is affected, regardless of any excuses given. Why should it be any different for adult companies?

These drama threads are the closest thing we have to a credit scoring system for adult companies, and for that reason they are very important.

Ignorance is bliss

From my experience, brick-and-mortar is much worse. Net 60-90 is not all that uncommon.

His whole payment history from ICQ logs is in one of these threads. I can't remember where and can't find it now but the impression I got was that he was doing about 500/mo with them.

I was actually referring more to retail, but I get your point. The thing is in the offline world when they give you those terms they have your name, address, phone number, SSN, and credit history and can report your late payments which affects your credit rating.

In adult we're supposed to trust people just because they have naked pictures and a Nats install. Anonymous whois records, address of their lawyer instead of their office, affiliate manager who's not allowed to tell you who his boss is, etc.

2 Fitty .........:pimp

Did you read the icq logs or are you just here to bash Derek in the hopes of making your program look good? The guy wouldn't leave Derek alone and Derek did his best to fix the problem. Where "I" come from, THAT is professional. He's a sales rep and he's going above and beyond to make an affiliate happy. When he goes into his sales pitch for his products, THAT'S his job and people are railing on him for that too. Again from where "I" come from, you don't bash competitors regardless of your feelings towards them because it makes YOU look desperate.

Here's some highlights from the logs for your reading, with my take on it...

Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 5:12 AM

Derek, any idea when you guys are going to send out the teen revenue payments for 2/29
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 7:15 AM

Hello Chuch
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 7:15 AM

Chuck
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 7:15 AM

what is your teenrevenue.com id
Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:15 AM

hey
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 7:15 AM

i will look into it for you
Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:15 AM

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Derek trying to help the guy out instead of passing the buck...what an unprofessional dickwad.
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Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:17 AM

i sent you a email too and one to that girl you gave me the address of
Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:17 AM

thanks

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Obviously Derek DID try to get him together with accounting, as per your suggestion. You're bashing him again why? Oh right.
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Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:31 AM

is accounting doing things different now?
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 7:32 AM

is the number of accounting
Chuck Pick 3/19/2012 7:33 AM

i just sent her a quick message. is that that new girl?
SUPER DEREK 3/19/2012 7:34 AM

shes not that new anymore
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And again, the OP hit up DEREK, not the other way around.
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Chuck Pick 3/20/2012 10:32 AM

no word from account yet?
Chuck Pick 3/20/2012 10:33 AM

accounting that is?
SUPER DEREK 3/20/2012 10:36 AM

did you add her to icq
SUPER DEREK 3/20/2012 10:36 AM

are you on skype?
Chuck Pick 3/20/2012 10:36 AM

she hasn't answered email or icq
Chuck Pick 3/20/2012 10:36 AM

she hasn't answered you either?
SUPER DEREK 3/20/2012 10:36 AM

she is on her way home to holland
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And again. And again Derek is giving him the information about accounting.
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Chuck Pick 3/22/2012 12:54 PM

Right but not the first problem teen Revenue ever had in it's life
SUPER DEREK 3/22/2012 12:55 PM

and not the last
SUPER DEREK 3/22/2012 12:55 PM

but we keep improving
SUPER DEREK 3/22/2012 12:55 PM

and trying hard
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I understand that this is foreign language to the GFY crowd, but this is a guy who's being HONEST by ADMITTING THAT HIM AND HIS PROGRAM AREN'T PERFECT.
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Chuck Pick 3/22/2012 1:01 PM

In the mean time she can shoot herself in the face with a 12 gauge as long as i get paid
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Just an example of the OP being an asshat. He should have been termed right then and there.
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SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:22 AM

Maddy is back
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:23 AM

i tried your other icq
Chuck Pick 3/29/2012 8:23 AM

I can't remember how to get on that icq
Chuck Pick 3/29/2012 8:23 AM

lost the password
Chuck Pick 3/29/2012 8:23 AM

I don't need to talk to her, right?
Chuck Pick 3/29/2012 8:23 AM

It's handled, correct?
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:25 AM

its handled yes..but in the future she handles all payments
Chuck Pick 3/29/2012 8:25 AM

that's not a comforting thought
Chuck Pick 3/29/2012 8:26 AM

or something that makes me confident in the programs
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:26 AM

to have direct access to accounting
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:26 AM

thats a positive thing
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:27 AM

no red tape
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:27 AM

bam
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:27 AM

i run the program
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:27 AM

she does the payments
Chuck Pick 3/29/2012 8:27 AM

it only works when they reply back to you and when they do it with the correct information
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:28 AM

ok so there you have it
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:28 AM

she is back
SUPER DEREK 3/29/2012 8:28 AM

you have direct access
Chuck Pick 3/29/2012 8:28 AM

all i want her to do is get the checks in the mail on time. don't understand why that isn't done and have to cover myself with less converting programs now to prepare for this in the future just in case

Are you getting the theme here yet? Regardless of whatever you think of Derek and his program, he did absolutely nothing wrong here. Not only did he go above and beyond for an affiliate, but he did so professionally. No small feat considering the idiot he was dealing with. So go on and continue to bash Derek in this thread. All the while you're making yourself look desperate to gain ANY affiliates you can. Other affiliates ARE watching you know.

And as the pages turn, so do the days of our lives

Yo SMutnut:

If I were you I'd post a nice long apology to Derek. He joined the program AFTER you your problem came up, AND you insult the hell out of the guy even after you have been paid. If you don't come clean now and admit your mistake and apologize few people will want to do business with you. And also as someone else pointed out, Derek is a pretty serious fighter. You wouldn't want to get into it with him at a trade show after a couple of drinks thats for sure.

Where did you get he joined the program after I had my problem? Tampa had fixed my problem and When Derek joined they started up again.

But none of this even matters. Simple fact is Teen Revenue doesn't pay on time. He's their front man. That's the only thing that should concern people doing business with Teen Revenue (and by proxy Derek).

Oh, also if they are forced to pay you, they will shut you out of the program so they can get free traffic that you might forget to take down.

Now, you want to keep bumping the thread go for it. It keeps people alert to the problem.

Read Tampa's resignation letter and you will know the difference between a manager you should respect and a bottom
feeder

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1021136&page=3

Did Derek hit the weights all of a sudden, isn't he about a buck forty wet?

:1orglaugh

just fuck off loser :2 cents:

One more thing too. There are several companies who I have to contact about checks because I've been with them a long time and they've updated or something or another. But they don't tell you five different stories when you are trying to get paid from them. I mean that's what this is all about, not just that they were late with the checks but the lying from their affiliate manager and their accountanting dept ignoring until this thread got started.

So anyways, all you Derek lovers go suck his cock. I'm sure it's tasty

Kiss my sister's black cat's ass and fuck a dead duck blind.

I did read that which is why I came to the conclusion I did. Besides that I said I like Derek too so I am sure despite your big tough brotherly attempt to come in and defend his honor, while very bro-like, is quite unnecessary.

My point is that any communication about accounting in a professional business would be handled by accounting not by marketing and I stand by that 100% and regardless of any bro-time I spent with D or anyone else.

I didn't expect to get biz out of this, in fact quite the opposite, because I am well aware of how well liked Derek is and truth be told I don't hold him responsible at all for what I would call an ownership/management issue. I simply say that he has every right to expect to take the heat for this because of playing the part he played in providing excuses.

Fact. No other industry would ever in a million years consider using marketing to handle accounting because of the risk it poses to both departments. It is just fucking lunacy and bad business and even people without MBAs can figure out the reasons to justify that.

Now take your stinking paws off of me you damn dirty ape.

Sorry but none of those are "serious" fighting arts. :2 cents:

they are being sarcastic

not the second one.

So Smutnut, you keep calling people fags in this thread but you seem to be the only one that knows what cock tastes like!

"So anyways, all you Derek lovers go suck his cock. I'm sure it's tasty"

Stop thinking about the taste of cock and learn to be a better person.

All you guys defending your butt buddy when he's wrong don't actually think he'd stick up for you if the tables were turned do you?

So true and so sorry....couldn't even get a check for just over a 100 bucks to me :321GFY

SO, after reading all of this, was SMUTNUT paid his last check or not???

LMAO. That shit still going? I hope you banned him already...
Btw, accounting issues are always directed to the rep first. He s the one that contacts accounting, not the affiliate...

Only if the client doesn't already have contact info for accounting and needs the right person to talk to.

If you are suggesting that it is ok for marketing to deal with accounting issues beyond the initial connection being made, ticket submitted, problem being escalated to the right department, etc. then I would love for you to provide an example where that is the way things are done.

You are talking about broad-spectrum marketing. He is talking about a personal account rep. If a personal account rep doesn't solve your problems for you, what ARE they doing?

Stop being obtuse.

Seriously.

A broad-spectrum marketing rep or a personal account rep or whatever you want to call it shouldn't bear the responsibility to deal with accounting issues beyond referring a problem directly to the correct accounting authority to deal with the issue.

PERIOD.

The reason is glaringly obvious when you see what is happening to Derek.

A broad-spectrum marketing rep or a personal account rep or whatever you want to call it needs to be kept free of issues, presented as the reliable, steadfast, knowledgeable resource that helps you MAKE MONEY. Ruin that and you get exactly what just went down with Derek. You get a guy who can and would be helping his affiliate earn more turned into a frigging punching bag that hurts his rep, as well as the company's, unnecessarily.

Real companies that understand broad-spectrum marketing rep or a personal account repping or whatever you want to call it know this and run accounting departments that are proactively responsive to affiliates since they have a fiduciary responsibility to them. Just because a lot of adult companies don't run like that doesn't make it right; it just makes it the way they do things.

Best reply yet:thumbsup:thumbsup

You don't even make sense. I was converting these guys long before Derek showed up and at much better ratios. I didn't need his help with anything, except getting paid. I wasn't asking him to do the books. Just make sure I got my check and stop telling me different stories why I wasn't getting it.

Go to there websites and look at their contact info. Some don't even have it and the only other contact is this "semi-retired" guy who used to get back to you, but I'm sure knows the deal now and that's what they hired Derek for.

He has the power to ban you and try and con you into getting them free traffic. That's all he does.

What good is it to get contacts to an accounting dept that's not going to get back to you and why should Derek not take heat for repping a company like that, a company that bought out and ran a decent program into the toilet by the way.

Anyway, you should start promoting them. I'm sure there will be far less competition now. They did me the biggest favor of my life. I'm on to much better programs now.

I was a bit intrigued by this.

me too:thumbsup:1orglaugh

Whoa... back off there, Fireball. Here are the cliff notes for you then:

I don't have a problem with you and I don't have the anger that you have with Derek. You have every right to be as pissed as you are and say whatever you feel like; I am just pointing out that your problem with the rep of the program is an issue that should never have happened if accounting had actually done what they were supposed to do. The way they handled wasn't just bad because they failed to pay you, made excuses etc. That is obvious and you make that point just fine. My issue is by making Derek be the messenger they just made things worse for themselves in every way.

I just don't stand with the mob of mad dogs that want to rip you or Derek and I am just trying to offer practical and to me, obvious, biz advice, sorry for trying. You ask "what good is it?" Who knows and who cares, but I have every right to say what I think here too.

I was being general about the role a marketing rep should play. Whether you needed his or any other reps help is beside the point. Good luck and better tomorrows with whomever you go with - and may your Anger Management classes only get cheaper by the dozen!

Fair enough. Apologies.

I realize most of these people defending Derek are doing so because of him and not the program, but the two things go hand in hand. There's a reason they pay you to be a front man. And I can't wait until some of these people defending him get burned (although I'm sure they will never admit it when it happens). It's inevitable. That's what this program does, even when they stop doing it for a while. It's their nature. They've been doing it since Paolo sold it and will keep doing so. It's why Tampa left.

But yeah. You're right. Apologies again. I didn't really try to come across as a nice guy so I deserve to get ripped too.

P.S though I don't agree it's not the affiliate Manager's job to buffer for you not getting your check. I have never seen a company where there's any issue with asking the manager what's up with the checks. But most companies do post a contact for accountants. And when their is a problem, rarely does the affiliate manager keep lying to you. I've even had a couple tell me straight out they don't know what's going on. Then you usually end up getting the check pretty quickly.

So, on page 6, I thought I'd say a few words. I promote almost everyone, and like freeones, we've noticed an alarming number of non-payments, or "payments you have to ask for" in my day. Here are some take aways I think are fair.

Derek

• Handled his tone nicely
• Spent too much time making fun of his affiliate for losing ICQ password, or correcting his tone
• Seems out of touch with what's happening in his office

Smutnut

• Childish
• Rude
• Aggressive
• Legitimately owed money
• Legitimately owed interest
• Legitimately owed for his time having to "follow up" on payments tht should be automatic

So, I won't say that I fully support how SmutNut "handled the situation".

But I will say that Derek's job is "handling situations" professionally, and SmutNut's job is to send joins. How he behaves on ICQ is totally irrelevant to the core of his argument.

Now, what do I as an affiliate take away from this thread, fair, or unfair, here's how we play it.

What this thread accomplishes

• I'm aware that Teen Revenue makes "mistakes" with their payments
• I find it hard to believe their entire company hinges on one check signer
• If all TeenRevenue's "excuses" are honest answers, then their company is clearly somewhat disorganized.
• I consider the stability of the company and the likelihood of recieving payment as factors before I change promotional strategy on the website.
• I am less convinced that Teen Revenue pays all their owed monies.
• I am now less likely to aggressively promote Teen Revenue than before.
• I now anticipate mistakes may take more than 3 weeks to correct.

What this thread DOES NOT accomplish

• Convince me Teen Revenue is trying to screw people
• Convince me that SmutNut is a professional himself.

But I do believe that the list of goals that SmutNut had when he started the thread have been mostly accomplished at considerable expense to his public reputation.

But let's not forget, Teen Revenue should be paying the guy. It's a tough economy, and it's hard enough to make it when you are being paid what you earned, not being paid the money you do earn can sometimes push anyone over an emotional edge. It's not Derek's place to criticize his affiliate's tone, nor password losing, nor to push for more links until the debts are paid and checks cashed.

This is GFY, and when it comes down to it all of our business relationships get thin fast when people stop paying their debts. So, yea, "fuck you. pay me."

Now I have to go audit our TeenRevenue payments, and that's an expense of doing business with that affiliate program I guess, since I can't assume that payments will just "be there" because they are supposed to be. Even if they are "mistakes," having to double check your work is hassle bullshit I don't need.

SmutNut, this happens everyday, to tons of people. Bring it to our attention, but the more you stick to the facts, the more support you will get for your issue.

Took the first half of the line from a movie I love called "The Wild Bunch", and used poetic license to add spice with the other half.

This doesn't have the line but somehow seems totally appropriate to the thread regardless...