So, finally all people that were always against the TUBES now join the TUBES and post their content there?

If you can't fight them, join them?

SPONSOR/CONTENT-PRODUCER <-> TUBES <-> SPONSOR/CONTENT-PRODUCER

I wonder where does the affiliate come into game?

We are completely excluded from the game in this new business model. And man, 90% in this forum are affiliates, are you not worried about it?

Really wondering.

That's the truth but I have been predicting this since day one.

Are your sales rising still as you just leave all that content up there and have them add a link? It seems to completely defy logic on the surface. Promo content, maybe. But full scenes?

It's a business you have to remember. That's why I think many affiliates will react by pirating content and opening their own tubes as it gets worse. The thing which I am extremely skeptical on is that the piracy is going to help pay site owners in the long run. I'm listening to experiences and taking note but it seems to defy logic and everything I know about business.

I suggested to Robbie to ask them, xhamster, to put up the link so he gets the clicks.

A few full scenes out of 500 scenes in members area is not such a big deal. It's only a suggestion, and ultimately the choice of the program owner.

I have actually never asked them to add the link to a stolen vid... only DMCA'd. It was just a thought I had and Robbie's content is stolen more then the program I am helping run.

His choice, how much for free, pro's con's etc... but my main point is the link to the site on the page of the video is very important.

I wouldn't think so. Especially for guys like me who shoot very exclusive stuff. We don't have a million generic porn scenes at our disposal and simply can't churn out hundreds of scenes all the time.

I'm just gonna keep dmca'ing those down.

I'm giving porntube a shot because they have a nice set up and I'm in control. I simply do not like it when a site like xhamster allows people to upload my full scenes and they know damn well that those are mine. And yet they just put them up there and make money off of other people's content.

That's just stealing. And it will come back and bite them in the ass. Kim Dot Com thought he was above it all too...

What I did was sign up for the tubes partner accounts system. Created accounts at programs I wanted to promote. One for me, one for the tube site owners. I'd let them have the banner traffic. I was more interested in the type in traffic. I got a bunch of traffic. I was really surprised that many surfers were typing my domain in. Personally I couldn't for the life of me get that traffic to convert. I got few sales, but not enough to warrant the time and effort it takes to continue.. Hats of to anybody that can make a go of it. Just wasn't for me.

That makes sense. 2% of your member area may not be a big deal. 60% might be a big problem. There's probably a point of optimization somewhere. Of course it's all out the window if people have stolen 100% of your member area and it's all over the place. Unless something extraordinary is happening.

I won't repeat what I've been saying but I wonder if some of these people submitting so much content might be sort of digging their own graves deeper and deeper without realizing it.

I would think that too. You can't give out 100% of your member area and still expect people to pay. I admit I don't know everything but this seems logical and in line with basic business principles. At the same time as you give out more you would expect the ctr and conversions to get worse past a certain point (much like setting price points). So to keep it sustainable you would have to continually chew through content which you would need to keep submitting. But then again does the surfer really care if you have 10,000 other videos if they already have what they need for free? I wonder because most surfers don't have any idea of what really is in the members area before joining. You would think once they have enough accessible to them for free they would stop joining at some point.

Don't forget that you can always delete your own vids, and DMCA the others once you see saturation.

They may do really well for you. My experience shows xhamster converts... I don't know about porntube. I think I read on the first page of this thread "Have you tried xhamster"

I'm certainly not a spokesman for them, I just know that they convert. I'm out of this thread... good luck

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It's sad to see some blow something so simple:disgust

Then you must have blinked long and hard to miss it when Bang Bros and many others blew up with amazing success doing exactly that, as have other programs, pre tube era as well as post tube era.

The numbers don't lie. The numbers are logical even if one cannot make sense of why it works and defies the assumption of a result.

:2 cents:
Online porn more or less killed off DVD and magazine companies, greatly reduced adult cable and phone sex. As for content producers, it reduced them to working for peanuts. So why are affiliates different. When the bell tolls.

As a businessman if I find a great source of sales, models, money. I don't share it. I certainly don't campaign for others to come and get some of what I'm getting. Because it can only produce a downside. Eventually there will be more "Amateur" niche sites feeding from the source of traffic you're sourcing now. Are they will try it "get it wrong" and lose money.

Successful = you lose customers.
Failure = your campaigning cost them money.

Or do you think more Amateur niche sites submitting to the Tubes will bring Homegrown more customers? :upsidedow

Employees of a Tube site need more submitters. More videos = more surfers to sell as clicks.

Fuck me 31 page contract who read that shit for porntube and any cliff notes?

Fuck that idea then. I never sign anything like that. If you need 31 pages, you're hiding something.

Yes, more people that claim to have "amateur" standing in stark contrast to what we offer does bring us biz, the same way it is not unusual to see McDonalds and Burger King right across the street from one another. Take the content you produced and call "amateur" for example. I would be happy for people to see your version of amateur and compare it to Homegrown Video's and let the fans/buyers/surfers decide.

Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and scores of other billionaires share their advice readily and even invest heavily in their competitors as well. Do they worry that it will hurt them? No, they realize how it helps them.

You claim your market was killed by cheaply produced inferior product. I claim my success is based on cheaply produced superior product and excellent service and a strong community.

I have to ask because you are making so many big assessments about everything and I find myself disagreeing with so much of it... How is your paysite doing these days? How many DVDs did your company manufacture and distribute last year? How many licenses did you do with cable and satellite? It would be a big help to separate the first hand knowledge from the hearsay and hyperbole. :Oh crap

Having two shops selling a similar product opposite each other is good. Having 20 paysite owners giving the product away next to each other isn't the same. However as you point out few will have content as great as yours and fail. So you're just talking up them submitting to get more traffic you'll get more sign ups from and they will fail. Thanks for the info.

Your brother took my wife and I out for lunch in an attempt to buy the license on the Astral Blue content. They couldn't meet my price. Never shot amateur video here in CZ.

Trust me Homegrown is no Microsoft. Do they share patents and customer lists as well?

No I claim my market was destroyed by people spending a lot of money giving porn away for free. and couldn't afford good content. You do buy in cheap though.

I've been retired for 3.5 years. Still making money though. And as a set shooter. I will ask you how many solo girl scenes did you ever buy for $3,000 out right? I went where the money was best.

you put your foot in it with the first part.

Either the submitters are going to do well and encroach on your territory or they will fail. You'll pick up some extra traffic and maybe sign ups.

Ratios between people on a tube site and people buying a membership suck. We all know that and there's no dispute on it. So every new submitter has to bring for instance 10,000 surfers to get an extra sign up. Or he takes a sign up from another site.

So using that figure and it could be more or less. 100 sign ups a month will require 1,000,000 new surfers. 100 sign ups = $3,000 a month. It's great if you can tap into this source of traffic, once in you don't need lots of other people coming in and grabbing some of the traffic.

Of course filling the Tube with crap porn will bring more traffic, without a loss of sales for those with the very best content. Which I see Far-L has pointed out.

I can't decide whether to just bow to your omnipresent genius so you will fade away content with your own absolute amazingness to enjoy the rest of your perfect day being the guru of great marketing and overwhelming sales experience... or school you hard for your abject failure to represent even one small grain of truth.

Let's see...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Yeah, I think I have to go get my toast out of the toaster so I can butter my bread after I scrape off the slightly burned edges with a dull knife. Then I am going to wipe up the crumbs and throw them in the compost bin. Kind of a metaphor for your career trajectory when I think about it, isn't it?

What were you talking about again?

500 free videos

:1orglaugh

Let this be known as the day that resistance to the tubes officially fell. We are in Day One of the New Era.

No change so far, no response to my last 2 spankwire emails, or the 2 to the email addy given in this thread - though that *was* to the guy posting it with regards to the xbiz thingo (just manwin tubes with the above quote).

xhamster - 1% banner ctr is about spot on. No real volume though at this early stage, 25k on one vid after 3 days, 11k on another.

porntube - low volume, only 1 vid up for 24 hours (wrong fucking vid uploaded too lol)

Interesting.

:2 cents:

Which program of yours did he sign up for? The one in your sig?

Nice dodge of my assumptions.

I don't know if you meant what you said. All I know is you said it.

Tubes will continue to grow and spring up, there's nothing to stop them. some will be major and some minor. The move towards selling Cams, Dating, Pills, Gambling and what ever else they can find to sell will continue. Supported by recorded porn. some sites will survive. I suspect the big guys will move away more from an affiliates reliant model to an Owned Tube or Partner with Major Tube models, so affiliates will lose income.

Not a prediction, not even breaking news. It's going on.

Ultimately it's the content of the video on a Tube that will decide the traffic to your site ratio. Because we've all opened a video and thought "rubbish" and gone back to look at more. That counts as a click. Until the average length of the view is listed no one knows if the viewer looked at the video for 10 seconds or 10 minutes.

Votes, comments and clicks to a site are an indication.

If enough people submit, a trend will reveal itself.

yeah

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1 sale btw, after ~30k views

Hey Dirty F, sorry, I was on vacation till today. I may have misread your previous post, but no, we will not be displaying your custodian of records on our tube site.

The reason that sites like orgasms.xxx DaneJones Lesbea Casting.xxx FakeAgent do so well for Ruseful is because they were created specifically for promotion via the tubes. That means every single video that is uploaded to the tubes is the best possible representation of that site. And these sites are brand new, with the first site being launched in August '11 (Casting.xxx) and September (Orgasms.xxx) then the rest late Dec '11 (Lesbea) and mid Jan '12 for DaneJones and FakeAgent. Every tube specifically edited clip stands up to any scrutiny. They are over 8 minutes, mostly over 10 minutes, and they are all fulfilling clips with a beginning, middle and ending. Content is shot specifically with the tube edit in mind.

You say, this content is not hard to make, and I have written a guide on how to sell a membership to a user of a free tube below. It tells you exactly how Ruseful does it. So, you do really have everything at your disposal to do what Ruseful is doing with the sites, day in-day out.

Yes, I personally own all of the sites I talk about. I created the production company to make use of my knowledge gained from running YouPorn. I am now at PornTube, building another huge tube, doing it all over again.

We here at FameDollars are partners with Rocco Siffredi and we've been giving 10 minute clips to tube sites like PornTube, XHamster, PornTube and we've seen a steady stream of revenue from both type-ins and banner spots.

I remember when content providers only gave 15 second clips, which then became 2 minute gals and this now seems like the next natural step.

Ok how confident are you? Enough to guarantee?

How about this:

I will make better content. I will finance it myself. I will submit as much as you tell me in better quality than you did. Better everything. Not turning this in to a dick measuring contest, you have more money than me so you have the bigger dick :1orglaugh just stating that I can do this no problem and that I understand exactly what is needed to produce at this level. You will not have to explain shit to me, I have the brains to understand what you did with your sites.

Are you willing to guarantee me 50 sign ups per day in writing with contract in a very reasonable time period just from tubes?

Whats in it for you? Every sale over 50/day goes to you for ever. You said you guys do 120/day easy so this is pure money no work for you. 50 sales/day is more than I need I will not bitch about anything ever if this works out. If I get under 50 sales/day and everything is as stated you have to buy my websites from me for production costs.

What do you say?

I take far too many risks investing in my own abilities, so I am not looking to invest in anyone else's right now. However, you are not short of confidence to do bigger better things on your own. If you believe in your own abilities, you don't need me to offer you any guarantees, or to share in your success that will no doubt come.

It sounds like you will be producing content to compete with DaneJones, Passion-HD, X-Art, Met-Art etc. I can tell you, none of those sites are struggling, so if you can produce this type of content, my advice is DO IT!! For more inspiration, have a look at the new site coming online called www.Babes.com . I WILL be one of their first members when the site launches, their content looks OFF THE HOOK. If you launch a site like this, i'll buy a lifetime membership!

Am I worried about a competitor to DaneJones if you produced better content, a better website? Sure, i'd feel the effects, of course. But I know my revenues, and my active member base that I have achieved solely from exposure to the tubes. But with 6 further sites in production, in various niches, that I am rolling out over the next 10-12 months, i'll not lose any sleep.

As people have stated in this thread, the 10% than can produce exceptional content, whatever niche, make bank. It sounds like you are in this 10% already or most certainly should be. Cream rises to the top no matter what industry you are in. Its no different on the tubes. Better content and better edited clips get better ratings, more views. With more views comes more traffic to your own site. Then its down to your ability to convert those visitors into paying members. Feel free to email me jt at porntube dot com and I will give you any advice you care to ask for.

For the record, I get 100-120 new sign ups a day on average this month from the tubes across the all sites my prod co has, not just 1 of the sites. I also get around 100-120 re bills a day right now This is clearly stated in my previous posts.

In case you were interested in the effects of producing an 8min+ clip over a 5min clip, have a look at these 2 clips that made it onto YouPorn on the 3rd April 12. www.youporn.com/?page=112 They are the same clip, virtually same thumbnail and title. However, 1 BIG difference.

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I circled them in RED.

Brunette solo masturbation Length: 08:12, 208,402 views 87% rating
www.youporn.com/watch/7631666

Darkhair solo masturbation on bed Length: 05:17, 82,211 views, 82% rating
www.youporn.com/watch/7686282

FYI, I also circled my videos for that day too, in YELLOW. (Just under 1.2m views $$$)

Can't wait for the beta :thumbsup

You're starting from the assumption that a site has unique content. If it has then the response it gets will be different from the 90% who have the same or similar type of cheap porn. Comparing Met Art's success on a Tube site with DVTimes, is pointless. It's like comparing Jason Bolt and me in a 100 meter dash. :winkwink:

Great content is King. It generates the cash spending traffic. :winkwink:

See above.

Do you think Met Art are suffering like most others?

The problem is simple. Too many sites and sponsors ignored the consumer and forgot common sense. If a niche/style/porn quality is available on 10 sites. They should do a lot better than the same niche/style/porn quality that's on 100 sites. Your only problem is finding the guys or their peers who shot Orgasm.xxx and paying for it. In fact the finding is the easy part.

Looking at Orgasm.xxx I would say this is well in the realms of $3,000 and upwards a scene, excluding solo girl. Cameras, lights, props, locations, staff, editing, models, etc. It has a horrible habit of mounting up. Then launching a site with 50 videos will be a big investment. The people behind this had the money to do so and now have something that converts off tubes.

Incidentally it takes more than money to do these scenes. you need first to find the people to create it.

Changing Times.

Thanks for all your info in any case. I was not really expecting you to accept :) . I will make the site regardless simply because its the smartest way for somebody to enter the business. I am not good enough to compete with others if my content is crap so its the only logical way anyway...mighty decent of you to share info in any case...thanks!



Cameras/lenses/pro lights I have at least 6 figures worth of each at my disposal for pennies. I live next to something called "Movie City" its state run film studios basically, I am super connected there now and the talented guys are struggling to make ends meet. Money is no problem either, 3rd world countries can be mighty good places to take money from the bank for your LLC :winkwink: