Well, when you are ready, reach out and i'll manage a tube campaign for you and get you to 50 new joins / re bills a day in no time. Hit me up anyway at jt at porntube . com, would be good to chat with you.

That was my post you were replying to. Little bit of advice. Because a guy can shoot for mainstream doesn't mean he can shoot good porn. Doesn't mean he can't either. Just be aware the two models are very different. Mainstream tends to have huge budgets and actors who aren't complete idiots.

Or actors who don't give a fuck when they fuck for your money.

Good luck, come back and show us how it got on. I wish you well.

Forgot to edit the name sorry.

Yes agree 100%. There is dozens of them who are starving. One of them will know how to shoot. Budgets are no problem. The wealthiest man is often not the one with the most money but the one who needs to spend the least. 3000$/shot for something like babes.com clips is an absurd amount of money.


I do not agree with you that mainstream actors are not complete idiots :1orglaugh

Shooting the top level of porn is 20% about camera, lighting, sound techniques, 30% about knowing the angles and construction of a scene in the niche and 50% about getting the right models and then getting them to do it.

OK others will dispute the split, still the skill required to shoot porn models and get them right isn't something a guy from mainstream will be able to do. Also you have the element of the effect seeing all the naked flesh in front of him. some will get turn on or off enough to interfere with their work.

Are you just shooting clips or shooting full scenes?

I believe one can shoot 90% of all pretty models, it just depends on whether you are capable of bringing out the best in them or not. Model-Shooter relationship is critical for bona fide content. How you recruit models is also critical. If you give the same old "Need girl for anal shoot" you will just attract a certain type. Non standard recruiting methods are called for if you want non standard models. If you always do what other people do you will always get what other people get :2 cents:

I plan on shooting full scenes....

FYI - You forgot to mention 'Vision'.

That number still holding. Admittedly I could use a new tour, and still early days with seeing what works best with videos as in straight scenes, or trailer type scenes. Also just added trials to see if that helps.

So nearly a year later here we are. Besides Ruseful (who makes over $1 for every 1,000 video views on a tube) how many new millionaires or billionaires do we have here?

Fabian, can Manwin now pay their taxes and debt to Playboy?

Show us your new mansions paysite owners. :)

Bump. So again what new millionaires do we have here on GFY? Who got rich promoting their pay sites on the tubes? Jel?

Btw I guess Ruseful was either an employee, owner, partner, or on contract (which one is true depends on which message you believe. I have no idea) with porntube.com the entire time when he first posted his stats here and pushed their CPP.

Here's proof: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19683588&postcount=168

Signupdamit, do you know any of my history in the industry?

up to sept 2006, dog breeder
Sept 2006 - May 2011 YouPorn
Jan 2011 Started Really Useful Production Company
June 2011 - Dec 2011 ICM registry (6 month contract)
Sept 2011 Launched first site Casting.xxx
Jan 2012 - May 2013 Partner with PornTube to build Content Partnership Program and Business Management, Succeeded and partnership dissolved.
May 2013 launched 11th site.

As I wrote in my guide to making money on the tubes, and as I say in the many individual workshops and the many panels I sit on at industry events, you wont make money by uploading to just 1 tube. 90% of my revenues are generated from the tubes. All I ever do is tell people how I do what I am doing. I have grown from 4 employees in Jan 2011 to over 60. I have over 20,000 active members on my sites and are launching another 7 sites in the next few months. This is from doing exactly what I tell people on how to monetize the tubes. What does it matter if I was partnered with PornTube? why does it matter if I was a partner/employee? What difference does it make to you?

I really dont see why you have a witch hunt against me.

dog breeder to youporn eh? interesting

Nope, in fact I almost went bust :D Struggling but hanging on by the skin of my teeth, *but*... I wasn't submitting to all the big tubes; haven't subbed much (if anything) since I redid the landing page; had an experience which showed me how much people WILL still buy porn.

I'm currently working on 2 new paysites (well, one, with the money I get from that being used to get the 2nd up and running - more outlay required but it's gonna be fucking H U G E, believe me), if the 1st one makes any cash, which I fully expect it to) using data from the tubes, as suggested by Ruseful previously.

As much as I hate what the tubes have done, the whole theft aspect of it, the bullshit 'user uploads' that has to be spun out (I mean really, what else does anyone expect them to say? They certainly can't admit it - I see it like telling your lawyer "I didn't do it". They know you fucking did, but who in their right mind is going to come out and admit it, especially given how lucrative it is), the expectation from surfers it has bred where 90% of people will NEVER pay for porn again, google giving a criminal operation credence because 'now we don't steal, we are awesome yo', and so on that has already been done to death here and elsewhere... the fact is, tubes have the traffic, and by whatever law of whatever, means they also have the paying traffic. And I want paying traffic.

I may not like it, and indeed I still have a rant now about it every so often, but for me, these are the facts:

tubes own the vast majority of paying adult traffic
I want paying traffic
If I don't adapt, I die

So, I've been quietly learning, using rusefuls advice; doing other stuff in the meantime to stay afloat, and waiting for my opportunity(ies), which are now nearing the building/marketing stage. I'm actually far more optimistic now than I was 12 months ago. I'll never be a tube fanboy, but I'm way past being a hater and wasting my focus/energy/attention on shit I can't change. Change the things you can :winkwink: :thumbsup

Congrats on the optimism!! Being positive is the only way to go if you want long-term success. :)

Hit me up if you ever want to discuss paysites and tubes. :)

The thing about JT/Ruseful which gets under people's skin is his BRAGGING about how well he's doing, using his oh-so-innovative strategy of "give the tubes everything they want". The real problem for me? I have a VERY VERY VERY hard time believing that ALL the growth Ruseful brags about - going from 11 to 60 employees, 20,000 Members, etc - that ALL THAT came from posting longer videos on tube sites. IF this were true then wouldn't Met-Art, X-Art, and the great Peabody's own ErosExotica being doing THOUSANDS of joins?

Makes no sense because I believe - it's just my BELIEF now, no proof - my BELIEF that Ruseful's success has a lot more to do with special deals with friends/tubes then merely posting videos.

JT: What is your Revshare with these tubes? 50-50? Do you do PPS? If so, how much? Do you buy joins? Do you advertise on the tubes? If so, how much per month? Do you make more profit from advertising than from postings?

This kind of shit. When something doesn't add up....well, draw your own conclusions. Congrats to the Winners.

Hi MrPeabody, I get called out on so many threads that my only response is with my numbers. So whilst you think its bragging, all I am doing is defending myself and giving proof that my tube strategy works. I get the damage the tubes do to web masters, thats why I share what I do.

Revshare with the tubes: 50/50, they are normal affiliates
I dont do PPS
I do not buy joins
I do not advertise on tubes or anywhere else
I do not do 1 day trials
I do not get any favors from the tubes, why would they help my sites when most of the largest tubes own their own pay sites?

http://www.youporn.com/channels/most_popular/alltime/ This speaks for itself, this is why I have grown from 4 employees to over 60. My sites are some of the most popular on the internet bar none.

Hope this helps you understand, but very much doubt it.

Ah see JT? It's that last little "but I doubt it" that sets my BS meter a-ringing. LOL

You could communicate with me directly, I have reached out to you to take you up on your GFY offer of helping a program with their tube strategy yet all I get is crickets in return, another reason I have trouble believing you.

IF the above is true, that you do all this business with tube submissions alone, then WHY (please explain) do other similar sites as yours do 1/10th as well, especially since many of those sites (mine included) have been on the Web longer and have been posting videos to tubes longer. Hmmm?

If your answer is going to be: People don't like your sites/like mine better I will personally call you a liar. MY numbers show MY sites are INCREDIBLY popular and do MASSIVE signups - when I get the traffic. So the REAL question here is: why do your videos get more views? Could it be because - SOMEhow - your videos stay on the Homepages longer? Hmmm? I wonder why this is....can't be because of longer videos, MY longer videos do not stay on the Homepage as long, nor do any other "Met-Art'-style sites, so again hmmm....no JT. Something else is going on, you're not getting all this love from tubes/tube surfers "organicly". LOL Good for you but please don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining, ok?

I'm not an idiot, and you of all people - who looked at some of MY websites data during your years at YouPorn and based a lot of this magical "tube strategy" bullshit on MY websites data - should know that. Wanna talk on ICQ now or continue to ignore me off-GFY?

Really man, give me a fucking break.

If he is using longer videos that means he keeps 100% of the income. That is the tube's incentive so the uploaders load longer clips.

Yes - but here's another problem with Ruseful's magical strategy: OTHER videos similar to his do not seem to do as well! Hmmm.....so if it were just posting longer videos, and in that erotic 'Met-Art'-style (really ErosExotica-style but let's not quibble) then WHY do these videos not get as much love?

Is ANYONE using Ruseful's strategy seeing HIS kind of results? No, of course not.

Maybe I should start a thread to get JT's attention.
(PS - not all tubes have this 'keep all the revenue if you upload longer vids' policy.)

Speak for yourself.

.

No idea, I haven't studied what he is doing. Though, as he did admit, his time at YouPorn give him information that has proven to be very valuable to him. So no doubt he has an upper hand in terms of tube knowledge. That was his job before.

I use mass tube uploaders to fill tubes with very decent material that I produce myself...basically I have tried long clips, short clips, hard core clips, soft core clips, pro camera clips with depth of field shit and pro lights and everything to shitty Iphone clips and what not...one can not accuse me of being superficial or lazy about my work with tube uploads...for the main tubes I submitted by hand, I did not want to leave anything to chance...have tried promoting my own and other programs with my own and their own material...nothing was left untested...

my conclusion:

tube surfers are freeloaders and even though I get lots of hits there is simply not enough conversion and I see a clear difference between tubes and other methods of promoting conversion wise...traffic wise I can really generate a shit ton of beggar views from tubes no problem...

Ruseful/ThePornTubeGuy/JT,

I already responded to you in one of the other threads here:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1063910&page=11

It's not a witchhunt. In fact you were being a bit deceitful. It was not obvious that you were both Ruseful and ThePornTubeGuy because as pointed out in the link above you were speaking about your alternate identity (your sockpuppet) in the third person as if it were someone else.

Here is an example of that:

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18891407&postcount=358

If you have some type of mental illness with multiple personalities or something then I'm prepared to not hold it against you. But other than that you were trying to perpetrate a bit of a ruse here by making it seem as if ThePornTubeGuy and Ruseful were different people at times. This gives me and others a legitimate reason now to question your honesty. It's hard to know if we can believe you.

It was pretty rude of you to try that in my thread and use it for self-promotion too. I know at times you said you were "JT" but it's fairly clear at minimum you were being purposely confusing and coy.

Thnks Jel for the reply and the honesty. It's been pretty tough for me as an affiliate too. I've been moving away from paysites with extreme regrets. I worked for years on that side of the market and it put food on my table for so long. It's very sad for me to have to let it go. It's been a transition to dating, cams, and CPM type arrangements with the paysites as side money. What really hurt me the most has been the loss of those rare magic microniche sites which I could once convert as an affiliate at 1:200. It used to be when I found a site like that I worked full time on it to push traffic. All I had to do was find one or two and I was set. That was my secret. :) Sadly those are now gone from what I see.

I've been working on some more unique projects myself and trying to get away from what everyone else is doing. It's a struggle though because overall no matter what you are doing it seems in adult each visitor on average is worth far less than they used to be. It means tighter margins. I wish us both luck. :)

I'm not sure we can trust what he says at all anymore. It always seemed incredulous to me some of the numbers he was putting out. It seems to defy what everyone else is experiencing and common sense. Like I said way back it's like a flying pink elephant going by my office window.

What bothered me about him/porntube the most was the bad vibes. I've learned to listen to that. From the first post of his that I read I got the sense that more was going on than I was seeing and I was definitely right about that. I felt really guilty at first about how I felt about the guy because it seemed like I disliked him right from the start without knowing why (beyond his association with that tube) but now I see why. He deceives and he plays games with people. To what extent we have no idea. Trust is so important. It's not personal but I feel it's a mistake to trust someone like that.

By someone who's nick is named 'RUSEful'? And you were shocked? Shocking. :)

I know, I know - "Ruseful" is really short for "Really Useful" and OF COURSE double entendres do not exist in this world. LOL

Is JT an American-born citizen? just curious.

Another example of how your use of the sockpuppet was dishonest. You were again clearly making it seem as if ThePornTubeGuy and Ruseful were separate people. This helped make some see you and Ruseful as more credible because it wasn't just one guy saying it but what they thought were two people.

At minimum it was dishonest. It would be like if I created a sockpuppet "MisterBigShotDude" and said "Yeah, that signupdamnit guy sends me 300 joins a day. He's a great businessman and a whale!" using that sockpuppet. It's not cool at all.

Are we working together on paysite sales? I can't remember now LOL But tell you what, because I love your passion and your EXCELLENT writing skills (a biggie with me, being a writer and all...): If I give you a sweet Revshare deal (I don't play the PPS game) maybe we could discuss you trying to push some sites of mine for say 3 months. I'd allow you to do things I don't allow other affs to do, with watermarks and such. Let's discuss if at all interested.

BTW: Unlike Ruseful, I do make deals with affiliates concerning Revshare from time to time. :) I would gladly do so in this case because, honestly Signupdamnit, I like your business savvy. :) If past the point of pushing paysites it's cool but let's talk anyway. :)

I wanted to point that out right from the start but I didn't want to be too much of an ass. :) Like I said I felt bad for how I felt about the guy. :/ Did he always have it named "Really Useful Cash" or was the program named after he started posting with the name Ruseful? I thought he only opened it with that name later. :)

Anyway I'm not going to kick him when he is down. I've said what I needed and how I feel about it. If it's a mental illness or something then I'll apologize and give him the benefit of the doubt again as I said.

Hi Signupdamit, I have no mental illness.

I hold my hands up to using 2 names on GFY but it was not meant to use it maliciously, really, and I apologise that this has caused so much tension on the boards. I realised it was causing a lot of confusion, not only for the readers but also for myself. Hence only doing 40 odd posts from The PornTube Guy and then continuing with Ruseful. In fact, The PornTube Guy was my old The YouPorn Guy account, which I never really used, hence the 40 posts.

I can understand why everyone is getting into a twist and starting to not trust a word I am saying or indeed have said, but really, it was not anything malicious, just simply having a profile for each of my roles, both PornTube and Really Useful. They were and are separate entities and with the anti tube feeling, it didnt seem logical to me to be representing PornTube from my Ruseful account and vice versa.

As for a 3rd persona, no, I dont have one. Coolness who you refer too is Steve, who is the owner of PornTube/4Tube and Fux.com. I enjoyed my time working with him, he has a great team. I achieved what I was brought on to do and as I pointed out on various threads, Really Useful started to Really Grow - quickly.

So, I now understand why the numerous threads and comments about me, and why all the questions. I brought this on myself and I dont blame you or anyone for what I considered a witch hunt on me.

So, I sincerely apologise to you and the members of GFY and I can leave the boards quietly if you think I have caused too much damage to my reputation with my previous actions, or I can hang around and contribute, but only as Ruseful :)

(I will be responding to MrPeabody first though).

Hi MisterPeabody,

Ok, from the very first moment my guys picked up the camera and shot our first scene, they had instructions on what I needed to be able to promote properly on the tubes. This meant that from the full scene, I needed the editors to be able to shoot a full mini scene, meaning an intro, middle and ending, which left just enough for the user to want to see the full version of the clip. Of course, you need the crew to be able to shoot that content, and my first crew had shot for Viv Thomas for 10 years and edited the content. So, they had a great background. That was good for the first sensual/erotic sites that I launched.

For the reality sites, we launched Casting.xxx/FakeAgent.com. This was not hard to do, just look how Woodman and BackRoomCastingCouch did it and move forward. You see, I started shooting our first scenes in Jan 2011, thats when I started my production company. At that point, we knew we were selling YouPorn, and subsequently sold in May 2011. It took me 9 months to launch the first site as we wanted to launch the first ever .xxx site which we did with Casting.xxx.

With regards to my offer of helping you, yes, there have been crickets in return, but in my defence, since late last year I have been going through an awful divorce that involves my 5 kids, so its been very hard to concentrate on my own company let alone anyone else's. However, I do have more time on my hands, so if you want to talk, then lets jump on Skype (I dont use ICQ). I believe we are already contacts on there but if not, my skype name is shittingnora.

I hold you in very high regard as you were a very good content partner for us at YouPorn when Richie and Randi looked after your account.

And lastly, I apologise to you too for anything I have done or said that has upset you on the boards, as with Signupdamit, nothing was done with any malicious intent.

I am from the UK btw, but now live in Prague.

First and foremost I am sorry to hear about your divorce. There's a thread here on GFY about men not getting married as often and some of the reasons I'm sure apply to your own life. I've never been married and now am happy to have avoided all that. Of course, the 5 children would be the most horrible of the circumstances to have to navigate so great good luck with all of that. On a plus note, being in Prague is a fantastic form of 'therapy' with all the gorgeous women around. :)

I'll try you via Skype in the next day or two. I've just begun a massive "re-arranging" of my business (which i would love to discuss, too) so have to get rolling there first.

Various nicks can cause mass confusion, as has been proven here on GFY time and again. Sticking to one from now on will help matters immensely. I would even delete all other accounts but that's me (I only have this one).

Back on topic: I do understand completely the operation you have setup, and it IS impressive. And while I can appreciate how filming a scene with tubes in mind can help matters greatly it doesn't fully explain why OTHER such scenes/sites from OTHER producers do not do as well. Having reviewed your crew's work side-by-side with my OWN crew's work (we film in Germany) and other content from Met-Art I can say, while there are subtle differances, there doesn't seem to be enough differance to account for the seemingly vast differance in the results you are getting vs. the results companies like mine are getting.

Then there's your tours. Very nice - but 20,000 Members nice? I don't know about that but I'd be willing to A-B test a tour like yours vs. a tour like mine to see which does better. :)

Finally - and this is what i think sets off people here on GFY - not everyone has the resources to drop $50,000+ into developing content for tubes specifically. DVDs are down, paysite sales are down, content producers work almost exclusively now with a handful of steady clients with immense resources (Brazzers, Bang Bros et al). So how is a small company able to compete?

Well, they CAN - and I DO - by offering content that is unlike even the content you create Ruseful. So again, why do other videos with similar style not do as well? This is coming from someone with the ability to shoot his own content so you can imagine how an affiliate like Signupdamnit must feel.

Stop being nice peabody dont bitch up, the crowd wants the hard hitting questions and answers

Jt/Ruseful , i think you should continue to post on this board,yes you made minor mistake but it's no biggie we all do mistakes as nobody is perfect and i consider your posts useful.

not intended to offend you but sounds me a real band width burner, good that you had those sales though...

I want answers too and will continue to ask the hard and tough questions. :)

Any cliffnotes on this thread?

Ruseful = bad guy ?

It's my birthday today so will respond tomorrow

Happy Birthday!!
Let them eat cake hehe.

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