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Jel	04-09-2012 08:30 AM

set up some accounts today thanks to this thread - or at least attempted to. No confirmation emails from tube8 or youporn, and continual upload errors at pornhub & spankwire.

Barry-xlovecam

04-09-2012 08:42 AM

The sales results from tubes are not even in the same sentence as those from organic search and PPC.

There is a branding affect to be considered from the massive tube traffic.

The more competing tubes the cheaper their traffic should become. The lowered cost of ads on tubes will have its affects on the tube's profitability in the long run as was said above ....

signupdamnit

04-09-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18874626)

set up some accounts today thanks to this thread - or at least attempted to. No confirmation emails from tube8 or youporn, and continual upload errors at pornhub & spankwire.

Congratulations Jel. You're soon going to be a very rich man. If what some others say here is true all you need do is merely submit 10 full scenes a day from your pay site for a month or two and you should easily earn over $100,000 with no loss to your affiliate or regular typein sales. For every 1,000,000 impressions on those tubes that should get you about 60 sales. So then all you need to do is keep buying content and hire out a bunch of third world citizens to upload to these tubes in order to scale your operation infinitely. You'll soon be richer than Bill Gates. You lucky devil. :)

jack-exploitedbabysitters

04-09-2012 09:46 AM

in terms of tube ad spots most of the good ones are spoken for what is left is really the trash a lot of the time

Jel	04-09-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 18874732)

Thanks, and I'm far too stupid to do anything other than exactly what you say of course :thumbsup

signupdamnit

04-09-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18874763)

Thanks, and I'm far too stupid to do anything other than exactly what you say of course :thumbsup

Just remember your friend - the guy who started the thread which made you rich, ok? I always wanted a winter mansion in Hawaii. :)

signupdamnit

04-09-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by neeko (Post 18874531)

This debate again?

Paysite sales ARE NOT dead. They are alive and kicking. If you have trouble selling your paysite... get back to the drawing board and tweak your marketing!

How can we still be talking about this in 2012 ?

"... like our previous winners, Wittman, Price and Hadad. You remember them, Wittman, Price and Hadad, there they are, and at this very moment they're basking under the Maui sun ..."

porno jew

04-09-2012 10:42 AM

yes very surprising that people don't blindly buy paysites with 12 porn dvds inside, or solo girl sites with 6 videos updated last in 2008, or sites loaded up with generic porn movies and paysite tours from 1999.

The Porn Nerd

04-09-2012 12:50 PM

The tube site model CAN make you sales but there are many factors involved, like what kind of Tour you have, etc etc etc.

But there's no doubt this AIN'T 2003. Everything is down, across the board.

What will this Industry be like in five years time?

Far-L

04-09-2012 04:22 PM

Sites still close because, truth be told, most sites suck. The sites going out of biz offer nothing compelling in terms of content or user experience that raises them above the standard of what a user can get on a tube. It isn't hard to figure out why they can't compete.

Committing to quality of content and a great user experience are not easy so it isn't hard to figure out why most fail to even attempt it.

This was true in 2003 too by the way.

The sites I see coming and going everyday don't even try to address user experience. The days of a few pic and movie galleries being enough to hold a user's attention have gone the way of the dinosaur and why people just can't come to grips with that fact is beyond me.

If people spent less time bemoaning the state of the industry and more time figuring out how to please their members then this probably wouldn't even be an issue.

signupdamnit

04-09-2012 04:51 PM

Here's kind of a bizarre example. This guy had some nice content but I don't think he ever had an affiliate program. He posted a goodbye message upon closing his site. At first it cited piracy as the main reason. Since then I see he has updated it to include a bunch of spiritual and religious commentary against masturbation (whatever, a variation on finding God I suppose).

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A huge thank you to all the people who paid their hard earned money for our content and helped to keep the site going. Thank you for your support, those of you honest people ? legitimate members, who purchased our content, rather then stole it.

Thank you all the friends ands site?s supporters.

Theft is a modern plague. There is no appreciation for other people?s hard work these days. Everything is for the snatching.

Thieves steal your card numbers and use them to register and rip content off sites so they can make money off of it later with your help. By supporting forums owned by thieves and by downloading, sharing content ? you put money in their pockets and become thieves yourself. Even worse you support theft and help it flourish. Think about it the next time you click on another one of those forum links.

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The Misery of Our Desires

I closed the site in year 2011, after 7 years. Thieves and pirates caused my business a great suffering. It was painful. I always put my heart into the site and considered it a form of art. I used to care a lot about what the content was like. But then I was disappointed to see that most of the people do not appreciate any of it. They even hate you, because you want them to pay for the work that you?ve done. They want it all and for free. I did most of the work myself and even modeled for many years. Seeing your work being raped is not something Id wish anyone to experience. But even with all of that, my site was still going. I lived hassle free, now with other people doing the production, and still making thousands.

http://www.young-goddess.com/

Someone posed this before. I think it was bns666 but this guy had some really nice exclusive content in his niche and has been around for a while. While it might be that really good content reduces the negative effects somewhat I think it's incorrect to say piracy still doesn't hurt good sites or that all the people going out of business had shitty content. This guy didn't have any reason to lie about it. And I know for a fact many pay site owners go to great extremes to keep their content off the pirate sites.

TheSquealer

04-09-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18874242)

Exactly. Here we are 8 years later and take a look around you.

Forget the discussions, look at the state of the industry. That's what 8 years of this has done.

I don't agree with you on that. Everyone is blaming their failure/decline on "tube sites" - however, free content was always made available to surfers. The only reason tube sites didn't already exist before 2004 was bandwidth/availability of broadband.

It was always destined to happen. More free content was always going to happen when technology made it possible.

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Either way, Pandora's box is open. Only new laws or changes to existing ones will close it.

What laws? To change what exactly?

This is my problem with these discussions. Tube sites with full length videos will NEVER go away. That's where the traffic goes. As long as thats where traffic goes, thats what people will be offering. The sooner people accept they aren't going away and get busy, the better off they will be. The more people continue to hope and pray the genie will somehow get put back into the bottle, the more quickly they will continue to fail and die.

Knowing you are a producer, I certainly sympathize with you and the problem of people ripping videos, watermarking them (or not) and re-uploading them to tube sites. This is an industry which has always put little to no emphasis on content protection - even today where its much easier and more options are available and where services are available which will get it removed.

However, people keep failing to understand that just because a video is over 2min doesn't mean it was stolen. Just because videos are 10-15-20 mins... doesn't mean they are stolen. Tons of sponsors and rights owners upload them and even tube sites themselves license content. That's not going to change, long videos aren't going away.

Free, full length videos are here to stay. Period. End of story. Either webmasters can learn to live with that fact and work with it, or they die.

It's totally insane to me to see people still talking in 2012 as if tube sites are the problem. The situation more free content was ALWAYS coming. It is here. It is what it is.
:2 cents:

Robbie

04-09-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875665)

Free, full length videos are here to stay. Period. End of story. Either webmasters can learn to live with that fact and work with it, or they die.

It's totally insane to me to see people still talking in 2012 as if tube sites are the problem. The situation more free content was ALWAYS coming. It is here. It is what it is.
:2 cents:

You're missing a little something that I call the "nuclear option" from the govt.

It's something that we have been afraid of since the mid 1990's. It's the reason we had "warning pages" on our tgps (that don't exist on tube sites).

And what I'm talking about is the day that the govt. comes in and says there can be NO pornography that is outside of a protected members area.

And trust me...that day is coming fast with full hardcore scenes everywhere. It's just a matter of time until it causes some religious nut cases in Washington D.C. to decide that the poor innocent children are in danger because of all the sex happening on their computers (of course it's perfectly alright for the kids to see all the violence they want to).

And when that day happens...then you WILL understand that there can indeed be laws to stop free porn completely (at least in the U.S.A., which is the biggest porn market in the world).

theking

04-09-2012 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18875683)

Please explain how requiring porn to be put into a protected members area will stop free porn completely in the U.S.A. or even reduce the level of free porn?

DWB	04-09-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC (Post 18874362)

Yeah, government regulation always works in business, ROFL!

Try reading. I said there is no government regulation, and they don't need to because we're doing a fine job of destroying ourselves.

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Originally Posted by neeko (Post 18874531)

Funny comment coming from a guy working for a company who built their empire based on piracy, and who is in fact the largest pirates in the entire industry, who until not too long ago was paying people to upload stolen content for them.

And I'm sure Brazzers sales are no where near what they were a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18874875)

Are you even in the business? Seriously.

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18875185)

That's what I've been saying. Of course they make sales. But as you see yourself, and I know you are an active tube submitter, sales are way down, contrary to what the tube site owners and noobs say. You see it with your own eyes. And if you don't, the pirates, tube owners, and trolls will say it is because you have failed. lol

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875665)

Free content in terms of short clips and photo galleries is NOTHING compared to 65,000+ free full length videos.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875665)

What laws? To change what exactly?

Oh, I dunno.... maybe a little thing called 2257 (not holding my breath on that I will note). Change that and user uploaded content is gone overnight, as are most of the tubes and free sites. That is one example off the top of my head.

Why do you think the biggest tubes are all buying tons of content now? They know what will eventually come, and are planning accordingly.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875665)

This is my problem with these discussions. Tube sites with full length videos will NEVER go away.

You don't know that. You have no idea what is coming around the corner or what Visa rules may come our way, or some child protection law that won't allow free explicit porn at all without a credit card. Point is, none of us have a CLUE what's coming, or not.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875665)

That's where the traffic goes. As long as thats where traffic goes, thats what people will be offering.

That is where the traffic is today.

The future may be worse or better. None of us know. All we know is TODAY that is where the traffic is.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875665)

Knowing you are a producer, I certainly sympathize with you and the problem of people ripping videos, watermarking them (or not) and re-uploading them to tube sites. This is an industry which has always put little to no emphasis on content protection - even today where its much easier and more options are available and where services are available which will get it removed.

However, people keep failing to understand that just because a video is over 2min doesn't mean it was stolen. Just because videos are 10-15-20 mins... doesn't mean they are stolen. Tons of sponsors and rights owners upload them and even tube sites themselves license content. That's not going to change, long videos aren't going away.

You are right. But we all know the majority of tube content (on 99% of the tubes) was stolen from somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875665)

Free, full length videos are here to stay. Period. End of story. Either webmasters can learn to live with that fact and work with it, or they die.

They are here until something changes that makes them go away. Like I posted above, that could be tomorrow or in 10 years, and could come in all sorts of ways. Child protection, 2257, Visa / MC rules, the next SOPA, or what have you.

Something will come after the tubes just as TGPs and MGPs before them. Count on that.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875665)

It's totally insane to me to see people still talking in 2012 as if tube sites are the problem. The situation more free content was ALWAYS coming. It is here. It is what it is.

Tubes are A problem. They are not THE problem. THE problem has many faces.

That said, I get traffic from them too. I think the ratios are poor, but it all adds up and I'm happy to get what I can get these days.

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18875683)

QFT :2 cents:

The internet should not be lawless, just as the radio, TV and print media is not lawless. Right now it is. It's only a matter of time before that comes to a screeching halt and regulation is dropped on our heads. And we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.

I find it hugely ironic that you have a company like Manwin (and the other companies) who will put a warning page on their pay sites to "protect the kids" but have nothing on their tubes exposing children to an endless sea of hardcore porn. That will bite everyone in the ass somewhere along the ride.

anexsia

04-09-2012 06:48 PM

I'm interested in what comes after tubes, what will be the next evolution?

Barry-xlovecam

04-09-2012 07:03 PM

1. There is no Nuclear Option Robbie. Congressional Representatives are not going to be donning "we love porn" campaign buttons. Porn is only tolerated for reason of Federal Court decisions. The more likely scenario is that the lawmakers are happy watching the porn industry cannibalize itself.

2. §2257 is a US Law and it stops at US borders. Our company is Dutch we only recognize Dutch Laws and EU Parliamentary directives. U.S.C. 18 §2257 is in contradiction to The European Union Directive on Data Protection that is our law -- we can only provide information by a Dutch Court's order to do otherwise is unlawful in our domicile. That doesn't mean we don't have proper identification documents and model releases -- it means that they are confidential unless subject to release by the Dutch Court's order.

Few of the "tube" type sites are located in the USA and if their servers are they only have to look to the recent events in the megaupload.com matter to get the big picture. §2257 will have little affect on tube sites.

3. In the litigation of COPA it was found that there was no reliable way to restrict explicit adult content on the Internet to "adults only." Short of issuing everyone an Internet verifiable national ID card, with even that being ineffective as international commerce would be restricted, there is no way that access to adult pornography in the USA can be restricted constitutionally.

4. Bottom line, the old ways have already been destroyed. Destroying the destroyers with new laws is laughable. The only remedy to the situation is a new disruptive innovation.

globofun

04-09-2012 07:04 PM

After reading the whole thread....... I can confirm, Paul Markham is a genius!

Barefootsies

04-09-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18875756)

Are you even in the business? Seriously.

The jew claims to be an affiliate.

However, I have often asked myself that same question based on some of his replies.

:2 cents:

Robbie

04-09-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18875814)

There is no Nuclear Option Robbie. Congressional Representatives are not going to be donning "we love porn" campaign buttons. Porn is only tolerated for reason of Federal Court decisions. The more likely scenario is that the lawmakers are happy watching the porn industry cannibalize itself.

I believe that is 100% true about the govt. letting us destroy ourselves.

But make no mistake about it...They can and they eventually WILL require porn to be in protected members areas only.

They've done it for decades in the "real" world. And with the way porn is given out in full hardcore scenes for every kid in the world to view these days...they will eventually do it on the internet as well.

And knowing how our over-reaching govt. tries to control everything and everybody...they will stop it dead cold in the U.S. and then begin pressuring every other govt. in the world to do the same.

Just like they did with the drug laws.

And when that day happens...it will be the final nail in the coffin of all my work as an affiliate over the years.

And we will have nobody to blame but the fucking assholes who are giving away the entire business in pursuit of traffic that they are getting off the backs of other people's content. :(

pornsprite

04-09-2012 07:32 PM

Best thread of the day for sure and very informative to a virtual newb like me.

TheSquealer

04-09-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18875683)

Why do you think it matters what the US Government says? Did 2257 stop the Dutch from creating porn sites that could be viewed anywhere in the world?

What US law is going to stop www.freeporn.com from doing exactly what it does outside the US?

Your little pipe dream just means that same tube traffic will shift elsewhere. Just as water flows to the path of least resistance, porn traffic flows to the better content (i.e. longer, free, better quality etc). It's not going to disappear, its going to go where high quality/long videos are offered.. whether that is in Russia or Czech Republic or The Netherlands or wherever. And you will still be here bitching and at the same time claiming you're getting rich while nothing else changes.

papill0n

04-09-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18874097)

Stop quoting 10 years ago. Live in the present. It's this months and next that will pay the bills.

Too many are living in the past here. :1orglaugh

your referring to yourself obviously:1orglaugh

Robbie

04-09-2012 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18875862)

If the US govt. goes after free porn it will be a nightmare for all of us who are in this business.

You can believe what you want. You can think what you want. But the fact is that the US govt. is a fucking nightmare for everyone in the world. And when a decision like that gets made...they will find a way to make it a worldwide thing.

You are entitled to your opinion. But none of us can see into the future. I'm only expressing a view that MANY of us have had for 15 years.
All of us who had big traffic free sites have always been afraid of the govt. moving in to shut down free porn.

And all I'm saying is that when it finally does happen...it will shut down the tube sites. Including mine. :(

Barefootsies

04-09-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18875876)

And all I'm saying is that when it finally does happen...it will shut down the tube sites. Including mine. :(

http://media.moddb.com/images/groups...0996811227.jpg

Barry-xlovecam

04-09-2012 08:18 PM

When cometh the force?

Read AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION v. MUKASEY

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1061929.html

This is the "PRECEDENTIAL" COPA Decision of the US Federal Appellate Court for the Third Circuit.

I don't see how some new law will pass constitutional muster in face of this decision.

For myself, so long as some new USA law or some international agreement on this subject does not create a burdensome obstacle for all nationalities restricting access to explicit adult content to adults I have no problem with it. Generally speaking, minors don't purchase porn anyway.

We use an adult verification script also but in reality a user can insert any birth date -- it is only a good faith effort and it is no more than a reasonable effort. We only offer "hardcore" sex shows to credit card buyers only but even a 14 year old can buy a prepaid VISA card and fake his age -- there are far worse crimes in reality but we do make a reasonable effort to provide adult entertainment that is restricted to lawful adults in most cases. So called "tube sites" do not make this effort and in the arena of public opinion they don't give a shit and considering where much of their content comes from are you at all surprised?

However, as of the current technology of today, I see no way this could be possible under US Constitutional rulings as did the Court in the above cited case ...

Bottom line, tubes have taken the traffic -- by whatever means -- and they own the bulk advertising market now. Sort of like Sir Issac Newton's First Law of Motion: I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

When cometh the force?

dgraves

04-09-2012 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 18875606)

Your forgetting that sites who offer something of value and compelling get their content ripped and put on tubes for free. Tube owners are more interested in good content because that will bring more traffic. How can anyone create something that can't be found on a tube when it all gets stolen and posted on tubes? We're essentially competing against our own content.

The moment a new site that has unique content tries to promote on sites like GFY, the content gets ripped and given away for free to tubes.

A few months ago I posted a clip on here of a girl I took to the Gloryhole as a test shoot. It was kind of a funny video because she made really strange faces while showing the cum in her mouth. This was the only place I posted that video and just a few days later it was on a tube.

Paul Markham

04-09-2012 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18874242)

Either way, Pandora's box is open. Only new laws or changes to existing ones will close it.

The big Tube owners would push hard for a law making piracy very hard. They have the money now to go 100% legit. Like all new industries industries the few at the top are moving in to take over. The problem when a big fish gobbles up little fish who are dying of a parasitic disease is the big fish also gets infected. Eventually all the problem the little guys now face, will be exclusively theirs.

Turn off the access to free porn and someone will start again and become the big traffic gatherer.

Traffic isn't king. Because for one reason it's people and you can't control them. You can offer them loads and loads of free porn to come your way, the moment you you stop the supply of free. they run to the next guy giving them free porn.

We took the first step many years ago. Tubes are just the latest type of free porn.

Paul Markham

04-09-2012 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by neeko (Post 18874531)

= submit movies to our tubes so we can take more of your traffic to sell for cents on the dollar.

Paul Markham

04-09-2012 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18875185)

What will this Industry be like in five years time?

1/10th the size it is today. OK the fraction is a guess, it could be 1/5th to 1/20th. It will not be bigger without some major changes to the format of giving away free porn to get surfers.

dgraves

04-09-2012 09:50 PM

I wasn't around when TGP's/MGP's first started. Was it a similar situation just on a smaller scale?

Rmagnus

04-09-2012 10:19 PM

so where are we (affiliates) headed too? same question, where paysites headed to in a couple of years?

Paul Markham

04-09-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18875756)

Try reading. I said there is no government regulation, and they don't need to because we're doing a fine job of destroying ourselves.

The porn industry will never be destroyed. diminished in terms of $$$ yes. In terms of people looking at porn, that has never been higher. They just don''t pay to watch it. This still leaves the problem of millions of under 18s with access to everything this industry throws out. Even my 10 year old daughter knows there's free sex videos online. Fortunately she's been brought up not to be drawn by them.

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Free content in terms of short clips and photo galleries is NOTHING compared to 65,000+ free full length videos.

We now know they were the first step to 2012. Even then they cost offline porn sales. Not it's online porn suffereing.

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Piracy isn't the problem

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If one law doesn't work, they will try another one and then another one. Passing laws is their job.

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That is where the traffic is today.

The future may be worse or better. None of us know. All we know is TODAY that is where the traffic is.

And traffic is people, we lost that fact somewhere thinking they were sheep we could herd.

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you cannot stop politicians from trying. They might decide that if you want to do business in America or with American companies, you have to adhere to US laws. So if you want to take credit card payments on your site, US laws apply.

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Something will come after the tubes just as TGPs and MGPs before them. Count on that.

Something to get more surfers who on average will spend less than they did before, is the most likely.

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Tubes are A problem. They are not THE problem. THE problem has many faces.

The problem ultimately is the people who think they can control traffic, throw up crap sites with no real appeal and then dump 10,000s of surfers onto free porn to get a sign up. And every problem concerning sign ups is met with the same solution. More traffic, which means give away more free porn.

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The internet should not be lawless, just as the radio, TV and print media is not lawless. Right now it is. It's only a matter of time before that comes to a screeching halt and regulation is dropped on our heads. And we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.

I find it hugely ironic that you have a company like Manwin (and the other companies) who will put a warning page on their pay sites to "protect the kids" but have nothing on their tubes exposing children to an endless sea of hardcore porn. That will bite everyone in the ass somewhere along the ride.

Laws will come, when they don't work more will come.

Paul Markham

04-09-2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18875814)

1. There is no Nuclear Option Robbie. Congressional Representatives are not going to be donning "we love porn" campaign buttons. Porn is only tolerated for reason of Federal Court decisions. The more likely scenario is that the lawmakers are happy watching the porn industry cannibalize itself.

It doesn't stop the problem of free porn easily available to children.

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2. §2257 is a US Law and it stops at US borders. Our company is Dutch we only recognize Dutch Laws and EU Parliamentary directives. U.S.C. 18 §2257 is in contradiction to The European Union Directive on Data Protection that is our law -- we can only provide information by a Dutch Court's order to do otherwise is unlawful in our domicile. That doesn't mean we don't have proper identification documents and model releases -- it means that they are confidential unless subject to release by the Dutch Court's order.

Then maybe a law that says if you want to do business with the US, comply to US laws or don't tap into our markets. Of course this would apply to US people tapping into Dutch markets. If people can tell me there's a girl in the next village waiting to talk to me and advertise inn Czech. Sites can obey the laws of the countries they appear in, or not appear there.

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Few of the "tube" type sites are located in the USA and if their servers are they only have to look to the recent events in the megaupload.com matter to get the big picture. §2257 will have little affect on tube sites.

See above.

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3. In the litigation of COPA it was found that there was no reliable way to restrict explicit adult content on the Internet to "adults only." Short of issuing everyone an Internet verifiable national ID card, with even that being ineffective as international commerce would be restricted, there is no way that access to adult pornography in the USA can be restricted constitutionally.

See above.

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4. Bottom line, the old ways have already been destroyed. Destroying the destroyers with new laws is laughable. The only remedy to the situation is a new disruptive innovation.

Good luck on anyone in porn coming up with anything new.

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Generally speaking, minors don't purchase porn anyway.

The purchasing isn't the problem, it's the access to it. Is there already a US law for allowing access to porn by children in a porn shop?

Paul Markham

04-09-2012 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves (Post 18875960)

I wasn't around when TGP's/MGP's first started. Was it a similar situation just on a smaller scale?

Yes, just not as bad. Even Robbie will tell you that an extremely high % of his traffic was never buying anything.

People were screaming that they were doing fantastically well with 1-100 going to look at their tour. Were actually buying something. Of course those just staying on the TGP site consuming free porn didn't count. :upsidedow

The numbers made us blind to the facts.

SeanLEE

04-10-2012 12:31 AM

Upload your videos to our tube!!! INSTANTLY!

http://video.xzye.com/upload/ <--Video Upload Form!

http://video.xzye.com <--Our Tube!

Paul Markham

04-10-2012 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanLEE (Post 18876079)

Upload your videos to our tube!!! INSTANTLY!

http://video.xzye.com/upload/ <--Video Upload Form!

http://video.xzye.com <--Our Tube!

I might try that with something I'm working on.

No point in letting the band wagon go by. Is there space for one more? :1orglaugh

AdultRev

04-12-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 18873532)

Some people say that the tubes like Porn Hub are great for sponsors. They can submit some clips with watermarks and then make all sorts of sales from it. But if this is the case why would any pay site ever need to close. All you need do is keep submitting large clips to these large tubes and rake in the sales, right?

On the other hand if for every one sale you make by giving Porn Hub one of your full videos you take away ten sales you used to make before from affiliates and type-ins then the math would work out to what we are seeing. Sure you might make 4 sales a day from putting your full content on those tubes but you're losing 40 a day that your affiliates and typeins used to send you.

Show me where I am wrong.

What you're describing really depends on volume. It's the economic balance right? More volume with smaller margins or less volume with greater margins. I would imagine efficiency point is a balance somewhere in between and that's why we see what we do.

I wouldn't be doing our platform justice if I didn't mention it since it is relevant to this topic. With both pay and tube sites, a great way for monetizing comes through approaching users differently, tabling different types of advertisements and working more efficiently.

Please give us a look and at least see the difference in what we're doing for both pay and free sites https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1064015 There is our thread. We're using customized tools that approach adult browsers and engage them differently. The idea for us is to make sure that you maximize revenue and if you give us a shot, we'll show you the difference. Take a look at your earnings and user experience before then compare them to what they look like AFTER you run with us.

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Far-L

04-12-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dgraves (Post 18875943)

Actually I am not forgetting that or ignoring it at all. We don't have any issue with getting our content that has been put up without our consent fixed so that it is promoting us directly. People with good original and unique content should always be seeking to take advantage of the same opportunity. If they don't or can't then they really don't have much to grumble about other than their own lack of effort.

Anyway, there is no more point to participating in this thread now that Paul is dominating it with his always effervescent genius.

signupdamnit

04-12-2012 02:22 PM

Thanks for the responses so far where people put some thought into it besides merely making ridiculous comments or kissing someone's ass.

I do understand that on some level the exposure can help to get your brand out there where previously it was unknown. Especially if your content is a lot better than anyone in your niche or even better you are the only site in the niche. But I still hold that eventually your full scene content getting out there is going to come back to bite you at some point. Any advantage you have also erodes with time as your competitors join in the game. Soon when 12 of your competitors are releasing full scenes (or have them stolen) it's going to effect you too to some extent because x% of surfers will settle for the free content your competitors have made available on the tube rather than use yours. It doesn't matter how much better your content is because to some extent you are going to lose a certain percentage of sales. As many state you are training the customer to not pay for porn. Don't believe me? Check out this link:

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...or+porn%22+lol

1. "lol at people who pay for porn"
2. does anyone actually pay for porn anymore? [Archive]
3. Just pay for porn, already
4. Why pay for Porn when you can get it free? - The Debate Team
5. Pay for porn? lol -- LiveWire Teen Forums

See the problem yet? No offense but if you are a pay site owner and you can't see a problem with this then I don't know what more to say. The only thing I can think of is that you don't plan to sell membership based websites in the long term future.

But the real issue here isn't the tube model or even user uploads. The real issue is theft. If a paysite owner is stupid enough to upload their member's area to PornHub then they have every right to do that.

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