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And my type ins have ALWAYS been huge. I branded Claudia Marie long before Pornhub became any kind of force to reckon with. We saw ZERO increase in type ins during that period. I have seen an increase in type ins over the last year though. And I know exactly why and exactly what I am doing to make that happen. And it has nothing at all to do with tube sites. And there were NO "banner clicks" on Pornhub at that time. There was only a small text link sitting in the middle of a page that was COVERED in spammy advertising. No way in hell anybody was ever gonna click that little text. As I said...you guys believe what you want. Keep working those porn tubes. I'm seeing all of the people who are doing it right in my approval que on my own tube site. And I'm seeing the "genius" marketing of cropping out the paysites watermark and replacing it with their own that is a redirect url to their affiliate code for the paysite. Lame, but I guess it might make a handful of sales. Me? I'm doing bigger and better things than porn tubes these days to make sales. Viral and social networking is the golden goose today. :) |
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People talk about eliminating affiliates but what they overlook is that eventually doing this might just lead to the rise of the "new affiliate" who steals all your content and simply opens up his own tube protected by the DMCA (or submits videos to them with his watermark) and makes all his money from dating and cam programs. We already see it with these "new affiliates" and the file lockers. The end result I am sure is the total decimation of the adult paysite industry as 100,000 "new affiliates" from the third world upload your member's area to any one of 100,000 illegal tubes and file lockers to make $3 per 1 million impressions. I'm glad I'm not as much into paysites as before. It's just really sad to see this all happen. |
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The social networking that I'm killing it with are Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc. And it all has to do with CM interacting with people and all in an environment of NO porn pics or vids. They find their way to the site on their own and it's all "their idea" to do it (just like the movie "Inception"). We just plant the seed. It's pure gold. And it doesn't and can't work on a site like Pornhub where people are overcome with full free porn scenes and have already jerked off and came all over their monitor screen. All I can say is...all of you who THINK you are branding yourself on Pornhub and other big tube sites like that: Well, you are...to a certain extent. But the real site that is being branded, relatively speaking, is the tube site. Not you. That's why they are now wanting all of you to join there "partner programs" or whatever the fuck they want to call it. Don't you think that if the traffic was soooooo good that they would do what we did with our TGP's? You know...just join all the different affiliate programs, use all their supposed skills at picking the right footage, use all their supposed "marketing skills", and place everything just 100% perfect and make far more money than they do now. Right? Wonder why they don't do that? Especially since you have them in this thread claiming that they know how to help you make sales and pick the right vids etc., etc. Answer: Because the more of you that upload your content to their sites, the more money THEY make off of the traffic while YOU make peanuts comparatively. They know they can't make big money off of paysite sales from their tubes. If they could...they would do it themselves. They've already claimed they know how. The sheer desperation of a lot of paysite owners is what is allowing these guys to do this. First they crippled everybody with piracy. And now they get everyone to feed them legal content to make even more money for the tube site. Good luck to all of you playing that game. :) |
Since we're talking about tubes, does anyone want to buy one of my tubes, domain only? It's page 6 on G so far for 'porn tube' and rising no blackhat or bs and PR2. $5000 :winkwink:
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This ain't brain surgery. And again I have to ask: If it's so great, then why doesn't Pornhub and the others that claim to have all this expertise in selling paysites with tube traffic just simply join all the affiliate programs and start making BILLIONS of dollars instead of soliciting desperate paysite owners to put up their own videos? Answer: They can't. |
robbie for most of the partnership programs they are affiliates and taking their cut of the sales.
why would they hire staff to cut and upload videos when the sponsor will do it? and when the sponsor knows exactly what will convert and have access to stats, not have to guess at it? think about it. |
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If you were to assign some sort of theoretical cost to each video impression as a way of measuring opportunity cost in many cases you very well could find that the opportunity cost of the tube campaign exceed the actual profits brought in. In some cases likewise it could be profitable. It's good business to know either way and consider this. There is a hidden opportunity cost to each impression in practice because there are a finite number of impressions and paying porn surfers. |
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Millionaires use credit cards, unless they run a drug business. Post something to convince us all that you make more than a basic income please. How about a picture of you holding a placard in your living room room, or a picture of your living room with a placard on the sofa. Placard to say "Believe me now Paul?" |
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On GFY we know so little about about some who have so little to say and keep saying it. Mike, tells a good story. And to date that's all it it. Squealer, has he ever run a paysite or business. He says he wanted to fly Russian webcam girls to Czech for a few days work shooting cheap sets back in 2004. Does he still run this webcam business? porno jew does anyone know what he does and willing to post it? Jel one look at his site will tell you a lot. And that's the norm here in 2012. Are they all multi millionaires running mega sites or guys making a LIVING WAGE? Quote:
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How I do it is a mystery and works well, I focus a lot on 'marketing' too instead of worrying about ctr and other statistical bullshit like that or making a blog that surfers 'enjoy'. Just because you can make a number out of something doesn't make it relevant :2 cents: If you don't believe me, I get lots of emails and ICQ messages daily from affiliate managers telling me to stop telling people how to do things and from other bloggers complaining because I either tell too many people how to blog the right way or every time they start a new blog or campaign I have a similar blog already made and listed everywhere. Seems like I'm doing something right. :winkwink: And how often do content producers have to scrape old shit and resell it as retro porn? :Oh crap (Someone back me up to silence this old ex-Soviet dude) |
mike you have an email need to ask you something blog related no drama.
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Giving something away in tiny doses as a little taster works. Giving away as much as they can consume and hoping some will buy doesn't work as well. The problem is the latter is easier and all that many can do. Mike, you keep changing your reasons for not posting some proof. So until you back your words with proof, I will go on what I see. Affiliate mangers are telling you not to tell others your great secret. :upsidedow |
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Now, with such massive volume, of course sales can be made, and I'm far from saying anything should or could be changed - this whole thread is nothing more than a moot point, as the big tubes have the traffic, and traffic is king. All I'm saying is, is that tube traffic a la pornhub, youporn, etc is far from this golden traffic a lot of people seem to think it is. It's shit, and it's success is via sheer volume - nothing wrong with that, of course, but to think that in a few years the industry won't be killed off, is naive. Tubes have most of the traffic, which will only turn into a larger %age as time goes on, so the amount of shit needed to throw at the wall grows, to compete with everyone else upping *their* amount of shit. That doesn't spell industry growth. |
Mike ignore that stupid cunt markham, the silly fuck isn't even in the biz.
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Having "partner accounts", where major tgps had to approve the program and the program/affiliates did all the work, was exactly where most major TGPs eventually evolved to. Your reasoning and thinking that the communities on the tubes are not solid social network marketing opportunities is pure speculation. Your assumption about "they already got off" is just not accurate. I am not saying that what you are doing is better or worse, more power to you if those areas are more productive for you and you are able to "plant inceptions" to get traffic. My experience is that "planting inceptions" is a whole lot easier once the brain has been washed in the liquid glow of a great orgasm. I'll give you credit for thinking outside the box and not just doing what everyone else does but I don't agree with your proclamations and assessments. |
This thread is AWESOME! Clash of the Titans! Now I want to do a tube upload test, but I'm sure if it didn't work I'd get told "you didn't market right, your content wasn't right, you messed this and that up"
A growing thriving industry segment has room for noobs and lesser skilled journeyman to succeed. all real GFY quotes Gold rush, first everyone is an amazed noob making bank ("I put up some galleries and after a while I was making 350k/month!") Then, some with more aptitude take share as gold dries up ("We were buying sites left and right") Noobs stop coming in, the ones that do get taken advantage of ("LOL! Another dream dies!") High skilled fight it out ("Jules sues Manwin") A few win and optimize for a shrinking market ("NO one could have predicted how Fabian would dominate this market") Where are we in the cycle? |
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And what makes you think that I only have one great secret? I guess it's hard for you to comprehend that you can be successful with multiple methods, let alone successful at all.. :Oh crap |
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I have an idea to take this up a level, hit me up if you want to hear about it. Sorry if my posts upset you. Yours just confuse me. You're doing great with your secret idea you don't want people to copy, that can't be copied. That people who also blog don't want others to find out about and affiliate reps want you to keep secret so other affiliates don't copy. That you are now sharing advice with Porno Jew about. Yes 4 years after effectively closing the business and 8 years after Squealer thought I was going broke, I'm still selling content. go figure that out. :1orglaugh |
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There are a billion people looking at free porn and 1-10,000 will, might, may, could, think about buying it. Approximately, still I'm sure you understand. Yes we need to adapt, innovate and find better ways of selling porn, than throwing up free content, usually pretty mediocre, in the hope that 1 in 1,000s will buy something. And when he does buy, keep him buying. |
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You sure do spend an awful lot of time defending Pornhub on here. Is it really doing that well for you? If so then good for you! :) By the way...I consider you to be an expert at this business as well. But there is no way in hell that you can tell me that I'm wrong about the clips I put up on Pornhub and the horrible results it had. I'm REALLY good at what I do. And that traffic sucked. Of course common sense already told me that. But I decided to go against my instincts and knowledge and give it a shot anyway.... As for MY tube site...it is nothing like Pornhub. Mine is set up to SELL PAYSITE MEMBERSHIPS for every clip on the site. And there are no full scenes. |
Networking with customers has often proved to be beneficial for both side. Sadly porn is shit at it. We spend hours talking to ourselves and should a surfer get in here, to upset our flow of talking to each other, we accuse him of being a surfer as if it's an insult.
Freeones has surfers talking to each other. Does it have any professionals talking to the surfers? We have shows and keep out surfers, we don't want them in upsetting the flow of ideas. Yes a few use FB, Twitter, etc. And a few on their sites. We all know how powerful a tool it is, but do very very little to use it. Yes we go onto a site dedicated to giving away as much free porn as possible and preach how good buying porn is. :upsidedow This industry can't even copy very well. As for innovate and adapt. Yes when it comes to giving away free porn it's good at that. The rest, it just badly copies and calls it new because it happened online. |
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There's a whole lot of guessing going on in this thread.
In general, it's hard for me to give an exact break down of how many views produced how much traffic because I usually have one sponsor's video on many tubes at one time so it's hard to break it apart. I started a brand new site from one sponsor on one large tube listing in February so the numbers line up perfectly because there wasn't other traffic coming in at the time. The sponsor was Duke Dollars and if one of their reps wants to confirm the numbers that's fine by me. The numbers are as follows: The video was 4 minutes long exactly. The video got just over 1,500,000 views. This resulted in 51,274 unique hits to the site. Hits generated 245 sales (1:209) with 13 Chargebacks/refunds Total income of $8,190 Actual numbers for one video, one large tube, no guess work. Make of it what you will. |
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Most vids get 100,000 or less. Again if you are the one fabulous genius who creates the pinnacle of perfect content then you'd make money selling on a street corner. Stats are for the rest of us. A good strategy makes money even for "decent" content. |
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DWB has a point though. Tubes are EDUCATING people to have an entitlement mentality. if someone gets used to getting stuff for free, it would be much harder for them to buy content in the future. Need proof? Just check out surfer forums
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So he has or submits to a Tube with 1 x 4 min video sample that got 1,500,000 views and generated $8,190 in sales. So assuming logically that it's not a Tube site with just this one video and it's not so amazingly superior to every other video sample on his site, that he's not showing us, I would assume his tube site or the tube site he submits to is full of these videos. 100 similar would generate $800,190, 200 similar would generate $1,600,380 revenue. Who has ever heard of a Tube site with only 100 videos on or submitting 100 and getting this kind of return? Quote:
Now Warchhild is generating millions from these people. So obviously you're wrong. :1orglaugh Or he's talking a pile of shit for idiots to believe. He must know it's my official roll on GFY to talk crap. http://i.imgur.com/p98kD.gif Ban Warchild for taking over my role. :1orglaugh |
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