Not the way we have been doing it for the last 12 years.

How stupid was it to ask that question?

Not very. I'm hoping to be retired by the time I'm 90... :Oh crap

There's a whole lot of guessing going on in this thread.

In general, it's hard for me to give an exact break down of how many views produced how much traffic because I usually have one sponsor's video on many tubes at one time so it's hard to break it apart.

I started a brand new site from one sponsor on one large tube listing in February so the numbers line up perfectly because there wasn't other traffic coming in at the time. The sponsor was Duke Dollars and if one of their reps wants to confirm the numbers that's fine by me.

The numbers are as follows:

The video was 4 minutes long exactly.
The video got just over 1,500,000 views.
This resulted in 51,274 unique hits to the site.
Hits generated 245 sales (1:209) with 13 Chargebacks/refunds
Total income of $8,190

Actual numbers for one video, one large tube, no guess work. Make of it what you will.

I retired at 58, got bored seeing naked girls spread out before me. How exciting is your life?

Extremely exciting now :winkwink:

What tube does 1.5 m views for a 4 min vid in 2 months? Xhamster, which is at least number 3, has exactly 5 that did that in the last two months. That is out of 10,000 posted. So a vid has to be one in 2000 to get those kind of numbers on XHAM. Maybe XVID has 10 a month out of 2000 a day. Out of 94,748 Porn.com has ONE that has done those numbers in the last two month. Youporn has 20 out of 148,000.

Most vids get 100,000 or less.

Again if you are the one fabulous genius who creates the pinnacle of perfect content then you'd make money selling on a street corner. Stats are for the rest of us. A good strategy makes money even for "decent" content.

There's a lot more that you can do to get views to a video on a tube site besides making it look nice like video search SEO, making quick tgp style tube gateways like tubegalore.com, blogging with video thumbnails linking to the tube video, etc. Be creative :winkwink:

DWB has a point though. Tubes are EDUCATING people to have an entitlement mentality. if someone gets used to getting stuff for free, it would be much harder for them to buy content in the future. Need proof? Just check out surfer forums

True, but for most affiliates there isn't much that you can do about it except either promote niche or adapt to tubes or else you're just stuck complaining about the good old days like it's everyone else's fault :2 cents:

ilnjscb please read the rules. Posting the most stupid, illogical and far fetched crap here is the best way to hide the truth.

So he has or submits to a Tube with 1 x 4 min video sample that got 1,500,000 views and generated $8,190 in sales.

So assuming logically that it's not a Tube site with just this one video and it's not so amazingly superior to every other video sample on his site, that he's not showing us, I would assume his tube site or the tube site he submits to is full of these videos. 100 similar would generate $800,190, 200 similar would generate $1,600,380 revenue.

Who has ever heard of a Tube site with only 100 videos on or submitting 100 and getting this kind of return?

When I first started to post here, most here were telling us how"Nno one who knows how to get free porn, pays for porn".

Now Warchhild is generating millions from these people. So obviously you're wrong. :1orglaugh

Or he's talking a pile of shit for idiots to believe. He must know it's my official roll on GFY to talk crap.

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Ban Warchild for taking over my role. :1orglaugh

Yes we do :2 cents:

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because it's 30 minutes or free ? :Graucho

Good way to go. :thumbsup

I did look and didn't see a lot of it though. We need to talk to customers a lot more. Better than spending hours here talking with people who will never buy porn or people who post illogical crap. Besides me.

Actually, that was in 12 days not 2 months. :2 cents:

This thread is worthless without popunders.

Here are some rough stats surrounding 2 of our sites, DaneJones.com (that has been live since Mid Jan 2012) and Orgasms.xxx (that launched Aug 2011). DaneJones is the .com version of Orgasms.xxx

The following stats are only from our videos that appear on YouPorn and RedTube, however, we do also upload to all the other major tubes.

On YouPorn we have had 94 videos go live since we launched mid Jan 2012.
www.youporn.com/partner/dane-jones
94 videos online
Around 50,000,000 views
Average rating around 90%
Average Video Length 10mins + (NO full scenes)

On RedTube, we have had 62 videos go live, 51 have made their front page since we launched Mid August 2011.
www.redtube.com/orgasmsxxx
62 videos online
Around 71,000,000 views
Average rating 4.6/5 +
Average Video Length 10 mins + (NO full scenes)

Just a fyi, we have had over 900,000 views of just our PROFILE on xHamster http://xhamster.com/user/Ruseful2011

We estimate to get on average around 3 million views a day on all of our videos, for all of our sites, from all of the tubes. The crux of views come in the first 36 hours, but by tagging our clips correctly when uploading, and using strategic keywords in the titles, we show up in a lot more relevant search results from with-in the tubes. That is why we have more views of our videos on RedTube vs YouPorn even with significantly less videos live and RedTube having less daily visitors to its tube than YouPorn.

So, here are our sales stats for all the sites:

We get an average of 1% Click throughs across the tubes on our promo banners for all our sites (30k tube affiliated visitors day on average from the 3m views)

We get around 100,000 unique visitors a day (March 2012 we received 2,980,000 unique visitors to all sites)

95% of our traffic is attributed to the tubes as we only have a tube strategy running right now, we simply do title else to promote the sites for now.

Average 120 new sign ups a day last 7 days (increasing each week)
1:833 ratio
29% of our sales are affiliated
71% of our sales are unaffiliated
$31.24 average transaction value

A ball park figure we use right now for NEW SALES is $1 in revenue per 1,000 tube views, post affiliate payouts. Obviously, this figure is a lot higher when we take into account the re bills, but sites are too new to quote any meaningful numbers to you right now, but they are VERY healthy with not many members cancelling.

Meaning: $25 sale to every 25,000 tube views, no matter what tube the views are on. ( 2 x $30 non affiliated sales and 1 x $15 affiliated sale = $75 for 3 sales = $25 average ) We do not run $1 specials.

As we increase the number of tubes we submit too, our sales rise accordingly with the increased views. Of course, some tubes are better than others but it levels out. Remember, we have a varied niche of content from sensual erotic to the FakeAgent.com so views maybe less on the likes of Lesbea.com but the click throughs are a lot higher. This is a normal trend on the more niche sites you have.

I hope this gives some clarity on the numbers you can expect from the tubes, and this is with a very new network of sites, using the tubes almost exclusively for our exposure.

We have not been very active promoting the sites to affiliates as we have been consumed in shooting content for existing sites, keeping on schedule with our tube strategy and shooting for the 6 new sites planned for launch this year. We are also ramping up the staff accordingly (11 full time staff so far and still recruiting). However, the few affiliates that do promote us do pretty good ratios! And we now have affiliate tools in place for any affiliates to start promoting us, so if you are wanting to promote content that the porn surfer LOVES, then visit the sites in the signature.

Then tell us how you did it? Multiple tubes? Recommend a submitter.

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First, thanks for the post, and thanks again. There it all is in black and white. I went to Redtube (the youporn link doesn't work) and counted, and according to the displayed views, all is correct.

I have to ask, if you are doing orgasms.xxx your partner (who also does castings.xxx) was one of the founders of youporn. Has that made a difference? If you can pick up the phone and talk to inside guys, do you receive preferential treatment? No accusations at all, and that is fine if you do - hell I would expect it. But for getting on the front page, which is where the real numbers come from ... can a person with no connections do it as easily as you have, assuming quality content?

If so, then you have laid out, in one page, the business model for now.

Proof that content is king.

The hardest part of the operation is producing the content. As you state submitting it to the Tubes is easy.

Obviously someone promoting run of the mil mediocre porn can never ever hope to achieve these results. It's for the Met-Art, Viv Thomas and your level. Those selling the cheap crap most sites churn out are never going to get near it.

My advice is to select a few of the top affiliates or Tube sites and only go with them. Opening the door for every affiliate to promote will just result in them competing with each other for sales you will get. Few of them will have 100% loyal to them traffic.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I certainly won't argue that the numbers you have presented to us are bad. To the contrary they seem extremely good. Some things caught my eye though.

You mention an estimated $1 profit (even after affiliate payouts and not including rebills) in new sales per 1,000 tube views. Now I think that would blow anyone away because that is nothing short of awesome. But then I saw where you mentioned a 1% ctr and a 1:833 ratio. And that just doesn't seem to add up unless there is something I am missing (but please see later where I double or triple the ctr to try to account for typeins too).

10,000 tube views * .01 (1% ctr) = 100 clicks to your website

But you said you have a 1:833 ratio and make $1 from every 1,000 tube views?

But even from the numbers you present it would actually take you approximately 80,000 tube views to make one sale.

80,000 tube views * .01 (1% ctr) = 800 clicks to your site

And you claim a ratio of 1:833 (is that raw or unique by the way? If unique then we probably have to adjust further).

You stated that you estimate that you get 3,000,000 views on all your videos per day from all tubes. Doing the math I come up with the following:

3,000,000 * .01 (1% ctr) = 30,000 raw hits to your site

30,000 / 833 (but is the ratio raw or uniques?) = 36 new sales per day

But in your post you say you average 120 new signups per day. I suppose maybe the discrepancy has something to do with typeins. If we doubled the ctr due to the typeins that would give you 72 new sales per day. If we tripled it that would give you 108 sales per day.

In any even even using the triple ctr of 3% :

3,000,000 * .03 (3% ctr) = 90,000 hits to your sites / 833 (raw or unique?) = 108 new sales per day.

But if you really make $1 per 1,000 tube views that would mean from those 108 new signups and other revenue from the sites you would make $3,000 post affiliate payouts and without taking into account rebills as you state. Are you sure this is correct? It seems rather extraordinary.

Also I kind of question whether you could really be getting that kind of type in traffic just from the tubes. You attribute 95% of all traffic to your tube strategy. At first I thought this was outrageous but then I checked Google and see that it isn't completely crazy. Still I suspect 50-75% might be a little more reasonable. You're also clearly getting traffic from some other sources too.

I need to cut this soon as it's getting long and I have a lot to do on my Sunday but I also have serious doubts that the average pay site is going to see numbers anywhere near this with a tube campaign. If such numbers were typical in places where full scenes are given out freely like candy one would expect other sources which are more conservative with the freebies would be at least as good or better. If that were the case it would be like 1999 all over again and this forum would be flying. :) Unfortunately that's just not the case. So it brings me back to my original question: Why isn't the pay site business booming in 2012 if tubes are such a big help in making sales?

The question of a possible association with one of the founders of YouPorn also might be significant too. Now I have no reason to doubt your honesty because from what I see your numbers mostly seem to mesh together correctly. The main thing I question is just some of your assumptions on where all that traffic is really coming from as well as how you have figured up some stats. However it's pretty reasonable to question whether this association which has been spoken of might have afforded you a little "Special treatment" on both YouPorn as well as some other tubes. ;) I just question whether the average pay site owner here on Go Fuck Yourself would do quite as well without the special status.

Another thing I want to point out real quick is that you state you don't give away full scenes. I know most people get this but I want to be sure that some realize that you're not claiming tubes like pornhub being full of stolen content helps make sales for the paysites being victimized (who aren't authorizing others to share the content). You're giving out specially selected promo clips around 10 minutes in length.

And every paysite in the world would be making bank because their videos are all over those same tube sites that orgasms.xxx is on (whether submitted or stolen)

And yet...the industry as a whole is on life support.

That's where the disconnect comes in for me. It isn't like anybody on here is doing ANYTHING differently on tube sites.
And yet we have a handful who say they are just killing it.

And yet there is absolutely nothing different about their approach from everybody else.

So everybody should be kicking ass! And we should all be working as hard as we can to give away everything we have so we can make more money?

I don't know. Common fucking sense says differently.

Hey ilnjscb, our network does all of the sites, casting.xxx orgasms.xxx danejones.com lesbea.com and fakeagent.com.

No we do not get preferential treatment from any of the tubes. On YouPorn, we make the front page through merit, just as the other videos that make it on their front page. The default view on the main page on YouPorn is user rated. We feature on PornHub Tube8, Keez and Spankwire, but no more than any other network that is uploading the amount of clips that we are. PornTube, 4Tube every content publisher gets on the front page and benefits greatly from it as they release their content out every hour, and the highest rated clips get featured exposure. RedTube, xHamster, YouJizz they all have their own ways of doing things, but we do pretty good on all of them. Of course, there are lots more we upload too as well. But no favours, we are on them all by merit.

Any person with content can do what we do. Yes, the content and edits need to stand out on the tubes, but you just need to know how to do this. You should read the guide at http://content.porntube.com This is what we follow :)

Every paysite hasn't content even vaguely approaching this quality.

The average pay site, pursued a policy of cutting the quality of it's product or had webmasters who thought all it needed was a digital camera. And the content is often watched for a few minutes and skipped over. At best jerked off to and forgotten.

In a market where every other shop is a Macdonalds. A Prime Angus Steak House will make money. How many sites are there of the level of this quality? And I don't mean the image quality. Getting that right is the easy part.

However you like me take the facts given and grab a calculator. Which appears to show holes in the stats.

Yes they can do what you do, but they're unlikely to get the results you get. All traffic methods largely depend on a viewer, thinking it's worth watching and then going to see where they can buy more. Without that vital element it's just free fodder.

Hi Paul, yes, to a degree I agree with you but we are getting great figures with the FakeAgent and Casting sites. Also, there is a pattern on every one of our clips that you see on any tube. We edit TUBE SPECIFIC content. That means, it has a particular length between 8-12 minutes, it has a beginning, a middle and an ending. It also is edited with the tube user in mind. EACH clip of ours is the best possible representation of the site it comes from. This often means that our editors are editing content for the tubes BEFORE it even features in our members area. We are shooting a mountain of content each month not only to keep up with the demand, but also to launch new sites. Both sensual and erotic sites as well as continuing with our FakeAgent theme. We have some great domain names too!!

I appreciate your advice re affiliates, right now, its virtually all tube related affiliates so send any of the top affiliates my way!!

Hi Robbie, one of the most common mistakes I see on the tubes from content owners is that they look and say "I think I should try a few 7 min clips on the tubes" and tell their editor to, or themselves make a few 7 min clips for the tubes. This is what I normally see:
They tend to grab a 7 min segment from a full scene. i.e. simply grabbing min 5-12 of a 16 min scene.
This is a scene from their back catalogue.
They do not include an ending (cum shot/orgasm etc)
Their watermarks do not stand out
Their titles are terrible
Minimal keywords/tags
They try to cram too much in the 200x80 icon and their site description is awful.

All this ends in minimal views, minimal click throughs and zero sales. A real disaster zone. These content owners then tell everyone that the tubes don't convert and they are to blame for their demise.

Hi Signupdamit, you are right in your dissection of my numbers. I get and average 1% click throughs from the banners on the tubes. I also get an equivalent of 2% direct type ins from that same traffic. so, your workings that I get around $3k per day on new sign ups is correct. I also have re bills that are generating significant daily revenues too. So, you will probably be adding up that I am making taking $150k-$180k a month, which is correct.

I will say, that Brazzers sites and Manwins other pay sites do not even get preferential treatment on any of the Manwin's tubes. Did you catch Fabian's keynote? He was very clear on that. The chances we would are zero.

Truly this is all just amazing. $1 per 1,000 tube impressions on youporn like tubes by giving out 10 minute scenes. 3%+ ctr.

What Ruseful is saying about specially editing clips for sales makes a lot of sense. What Paul Markham says about having better than average content also makes sense.

But still maybe I'm just slow but I'm not seeing this as something that even 1% of paysites could accomplish. As an affiliate I've promoted sites in microniches where there are no other sponsors in the niche. A total monopoly exits. I can match those numbers now in 2012 but this is on my sites where not a lot is given out for free. But in early 2006 I would absolutely destroy them. 10-20 sales in 1,000 impressions was possible and I've done it many times.

It's hard for me to fathom even 1% of pay sites obtaining $1 in new sales profit per 1,000 tube impressions on tubes such as Youporn in 2012. Especially given there are hundreds if not tens of thousands of videos within the same niche or content type available for free right there on the same tube only a click or two away. I've seen the effects of this. Even when one sponsor with great exclusive content is vigilant about keeping their stuff hard to find I've seen niches all but destroyed because their competitors did not do the same. While some would still buy to get their quality content many people just settled for the stuff which was freely available from their competitors.

It's much easier for me to believe that things aren't as they appear for whatever reason. That there is another explanation such as something is being miscalculated (such as the source of the type-ins) It's almost as bad as seeing a pink elephant flying outside your office window. :1orglaugh

I will say this. If these numbers are easily obtained by the common person than I am happy that the struggling paysite owner and even affiliate may once again see good money. I'm very skeptical but if it's all true then it's a great thing.

http://content.porntube.com
Everything you need is in the PornTube Content Publishing Platform Guide.

JT = Founder/Chairman of Ruseful Network. Its not rocket science and its not a secret how to do it either!!

There is another possibility. And please this isn't me being negative, just throwing out things for people to think about.

Ruseful might be fishing for people to add content to there's and others Tubes to boost the content library.

Maybe if some sponsors submit and see how the traffic rolls. Then report back here so we can get a selection of results with different content. We can all compare the results. I have some unique exclusive content that's not all over the Internet, I would think after 3 decades I know how to edit to entice the viewer to want more. So Ruseful, can I test some content on your tubes? The videos will not get mass appeal, yet with so little around of what my Retro Porn site has, I'm sure it will get the viewers who like this content interested.

Personally I think something like 95% will fall into this trap.

"Especially given there are hundreds if not tens of thousands of videos within the same niche or content type available for free right there on the same tube only a click or two away."

Why would anyone join a site with the sort of porn that's the same or similar, as 100 other sites and also on free sites?

instead of spending time writing endless walls of text trying to theorize why it is not possible to make money from tubes, why not try and figure out and learn from those who actually do?

just a thought.

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Except that he probably thinks tubes are like digital VCRs.. :Oh crap

That is at least some of what is going on.

Because I don't have to. :thumbsup

You can believe all the clowns who theorise on my income or lack of it. And ignore the fact, I don't work, I don't have to work, I don't need to work.

Because this useless know nothing, missed the boat, never understood "internet Marketing", old man, person from the distant past, someone who sold sets in the distant past. Is comfortable enough to sit and watch you guys having to work out how to squeeze a few scrapings out of the industry. :thumbsup

Or believe Squealer and Damian, they know so much more and obviously two mega whales. :1orglaugh

why lie? you are still trying to figure out how to make money online. you post about your projects. just admit you know nothing about this space and try to learn. what is so hard about that? no one knows everything in life. people who try to pretend to are rightly seen the fool, hence coup's genius piece of work. :1orglaugh

That is all well and good, and thanks for sharing other insights so generously as well, but Robbie doesn't really need to worry about any of that or split testing or anything because he apparently has a penis that works as a divining rod.

We are going to hire him to consult even though it does feel a bit weird that we have to stand behind him and look over his shoulder to see which way his erection is pointing.

Good thing I am comfortable with my sexuality because at first glance, well, um... yeah.

Boy, those Penguins sure are fucking up in the play-offs aren't they?

How disrespectful. You know damn well what I meant.

And don't kid yourself...you couldn't afford to pay me to walk away from the money I make to "consult" for you.

You know...there are different ways to get to the same results. In every business there are guys who are geniuses at making money analytically. And there are guys who have a great "feel" for their work that are very successful as well.

I'm a guy who KNOWS what I'm doing. I'm not a rookie, and I'm not an amateur. I've sold enough porn to enough people to say: "Yeah, I know what I'm doing. I'm a professional".

I try to be respectful to you because I DO respect what you've done. Obviously you don't feel the same way about me. That's fine.

I'd like to be clear...I'm not saying that money can't be made on tube sites if done the RIGHT way. But when you have 100,000 full scenes out there in EVERY niche it HURTS our industry.

And not all of it is shitty content either. People have stolen and uploaded some of the best porn and uploaded it in it's entirety.

That hurts everyone. Well...not Manwin of course. Because they are monetizing the traffic that all the content brings them and they are branding THEIR tube sites at the expense of others hard work.

I understand you don't see it that way.

Me? I'm going to continue to brand MY sites. My traffic is great and makes me enough money to not have to kiss the ring of Fabian and/or give them my content to monetize for himself. Sorry you're not in the same situation. Different paths I guess...

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Ruseful, I learned some very useful things in this thread and I thank you. In fact, I expect I will totally change my method of dealing with tube submissions.

I fully agree with you about editing a sample clip. It's a piece of bait on the end of a hook designed to reel in a fish. :winkwink:

However with 90% of the porn produced it's impossible to do this well. Most shoot 15 to 30 minute scenes, most are shot by point and shoot guys. The editor at Manwin given express instructions of how to edit the scene I shot which included a start setting the scene up and a finish proving it was all real and the model was well exhausted and happy at the end. Left those parts out. If he with instructions of what to do can get it wrong, what hope does a webmaster have?

Shooting a porn scene and having something to submit as a trailer to the site takes more than point and shoot skills. It needs a scene to have a story, structure and point. Cutting 1/3 of an average porn scene into a tempting morsel to bring traffic requires skills, skills in production and editing. And above all knowing how to build something that will sell the product.

You can give someone the recipe to make a sponge cake, but if they only have sawdust to work with. the recipe is useless. And in an industry that for years taught us not to give away the hardcore and cum shot, you now tell us it's the best way. Were they wrong for so long?

There's one way for you to prove your method works. strike a partnership with a few sponsors, take their scenes, post them on your Tube and make the results public. Not supporters who feel the owners of the massive Tube sites are their best bet today. A few skeptics would work a lot better.

Far-L good luck editing an amateur movie, shot by real amateurs, into something that will really bring in the sign ups.

well Paul, you should have known better than to give your video to some Manwin guy. Those dudes are total amateurs and of course they're not going to perform to your high standards. Pearls before swine and all that.