Email will be sent this morning Tim.

Hit me up on ICQ 213 327 873 or Skype paulmarkham1 and let's chat. I have a better idea for you to access loads of good video content, free and exclusive.

Over all you're just proving what I've been saying for years. Ultimately content is king. If the samples site doesn't have great content the surfers don't keep coming, if the sample content isn't good enough the surfers won't go to see the site, if the tour .....................

And so on to retaining members.

The problem was I was up against people who simply were not capable, rich or clever enough to get good content. Today, for some, there's tons of it for free.

Exactly Mr Markham, and if I can grow the 10%ers to be the 20%ers or 30%ers then I am succeeding in what I have set out to achieve!! There really is enough to go around for everybody. I can also tell you that the 10%ers do not rest on their laurels either, always adapting, always analysing, ha, always looking at the tubes to see what is getting the views, what is getting good ratings, what is standing out (such as what watermarks instantly grab their attention on a page). Its this dedication that keeps the 10%ers where they are. But its not rocket science IF you have the content. If you don't have the content, then SHOOT it, or learn how to. I can literally help anybody, but they need to be able to help themselves first.

By giving out some valuable information, by having Ruseful give out stats and screenshots to back up their success story, then more and more content owners may just change their approach and embrace the tubes. Its where the traffic is, no one doubts that. CTR's and sales ratios are lower than what you would have seen in 1998 etc, but you are dealing with a sheer mass of users, like nothing ever experienced back in the day, that the nucleus are concentrated with a handful of tubes, and these are fully accessible and totally at your disposal!

We have an open door policy at PornTube, you'll find the same at every Manwin owned tube too, reach out to us, you'll be surprised, we are not animals, and we will all do anything to help anyone. Hey, if you are ever near Altea in Spain, come pay us a visit, you'll see the true heart beat of a thriving tube site. Im sure the guys at Manwin will show you round their impressive 6 story office in Montreal too if you are ever in town.

having a nightmare registering/uploading at pornhub, youporn, tube8, xtube, spankwire etc - who can help me with the issues I'm having? Sent a ticket a few days ago but aside from 'what format/size (correct)' and 'change browser' I'm getting no joy.

porntube went smooth as fuck btw.

Hey Jel, Im pleased to hear our PornTube CPP platform is working smooth as f*ck!! When I saw their system in development last year I was blown away, and was the main reason I jumped on board with them. Oh, and the fact that they had THE coolest domain in adult!!!

Hit me up at jt at PornTube and lets see what I can do with a managed campaign for you. We deal with all the tubes (and more) that you list (all Manwin tubes btw) and can reach out to them.

Give it a few hours for Montreal to wake up and they will be online reading this thread too, so should respond accordingly.

I don't know why most TUBES are not affiliate friendly...

They only accept uploads from SPONSORS? That sucks. Yeah I know in some of them you can upload with a watermark, but no link... that sucks.

ThePornTubeGuy, por que no aceptas subidas de afiliados? Como se supone que vamos a hacer dinero si tu solo aceptas subidas de sponsors?

That way you concentrate and monopolize the adult business only for the BIG GUYS..

How are average affiliates supposed to make some bucks with tubes? Really wondering.

Shoot or buy some movies, set up a site that feeds to your site which promotes others and the traffic is all yours. could be in guise of a paysite if the rules insist.

However if the Tubes wants a cut, you want a cut, there's a need to edit the scene properly. What's in it for the sponsor. Other than the type in, also I can get all the work done by someone who will take a lt less money than an affiliate.

Not having a go at you, just giving you the reverse view.

yep, only from sponsors of the content. Those are the only guys that can legally comply with the 2257 regulations. As you say, you can upload to a lot of tubes (not ours though) as an affiliate, not sponsor, but without a promo banner.

Thats when you need work with sponsors that will allow you to brand their content with a separate URL on their clips. i.e. pussy5 push x-art videos like that, pussy21 push DaneJones content. The user see's an x-art clip but its branded pussy5 . com, the users types in pussy5 . com and end up at x-art. They upload to the 200+ tubes that are too small for the likes of x-art and Ruseful to bother with. They do great sales numbers. BUT please do not do this with a domain the sponsor does not own, or they will DMCA your ass!!! The sponsor MUST own the domain, so reach out to them, Ruseful included: support at ruseful . com or hit me up at jt at porntube . com and i'll point you in the right direction

I'm not here to argue, so i'm just gonna congratulate you of having the best converting tour/website/content in the industry. Whatever works, good for you! :)

:thumbsup If everybody could see the value like you and many more do... We are doing great with so many partners, yet so little talk about it. I'm not even sure most read this board. I guess most people don't "really" complain that there are less sales out there, I know we push a ton and many more in the space as well. They are maybe complaining that they now have to be smart about it and compete in a market where guys like you and others, take it more seriously and test and work with the tubes.

**For those that want to start working with us and make joins, we will be hosting a workshop in Miami Xbiz, hit up smith(a)pornhub(dot)com for an invitation. Official announcement to come.**

One way to see it is, what is an affiliate offering?
the tube is offering the traffic, the content provider is offering the content, what is an affiliate suppose to bring to the table? the submission of content perhaps, as it use to be in the past with tgp/mgp subs, but then it was billions of places to submit so it made sense from a sponsor point of view, but now, when the traffic belongs to a handful of guys, it doesn't make sense paying someone 50% to do the subs, you can hire someone to do it for a fixed cost if one does not have the time to do it.
Its an industry that has been way overcrowded with people, that somehow still think they all are entitled to make money, its just now maturing in some form (whether in a good or bad way remains to see...)

Just thinking out loudly here...:2 cents:

Please provide us with your legal info

The following information will be used to fulfill the legal contract between your company and the PornTube operators, by means of the eOriginal electronic contract system. You can bypass the contract and sign it later, however. Remember anyway that each site you create must conform to the 2257 agreement, so your company will be required to go through this electronic agreement prior to have your sites and videos released on PornTube.

I have no problem giving you my real info but what will you do with it? it's not really clear to me. Does this mean you will create a 2257 page with my info and post it on your site? Because i do have a problem with that :)

Much of the success PeabodyCash and Mister Peabody World now has is because of the (legal) tubes like YouPorn and PornHub so a big THANK YOU to these websites. Now I realize this business model does not work for all niches, webmasters or content but for what WE offer the traffic is golden.

Plus these tube sites are generally run by very decent, hard-working people commited to helping out their content partners. :)

VB
If I give you the content, you can edit it, submit it and get the rev share, until the Tubes want there. Then I will pay you separately on the increased type in traffic. You\ll have to trust me with the figures I give you that it's coming in those numbers.

So you bring to the table the editing and submitting, submitting is a piece of cake.

The amount of work I want to do will mean the editing could be slow, so no worries handing it over to you.

We would need the same address that you would have displayed and available under a 2257 link on your own websites as to who is the custodian of the records

Top notch deal.

That doesn't answer my question, does it?

I agree. So what VenusBlogger needs to do is open up betteryouporntube.com and lease a server or two in Turkey. Then hire a manager from the third world for $500 a month and tell him "I don't care how you do it but I want 100-1,000 new 10-30 minute porn clips a day on my tube. What some people do is go to PornBB and other forums to find content but please don't do that because it would be illegal unless a real user uploads it. I can't have any knowledge of anything illegal like that. That would be bad. Very bad. Wink, wink. I'll check your progress next month to see if I still can pay you the $500 next month too."

After a couple years you'll be a Bro and swimming in hookers and blow. Everyone will kiss your ass. Paysite sales will sky rocket when 100,000 legal tubes all decide to turn illegal (ER, legal users of the DMCA). It will be like 1997 all over again. Everyone will be rich. :upsidedow

It's not as if just anyone can steal content and open up tubes, forums, and file lockers with the stolen content. No sir. There's no way the 10,000 affiliates won't start doing this when all the sponsors start screwing them over and begin selling dating and cams on their new YouPorn clone. They can't. It takes special skills they don't have. Besides those Russian affiliates won't do this because their government might crack down on them. They'll just be content to start making nothing. :upsidedow

Like I said in the previous post. Perhaps you just need to open your own Youporn and instead of getting permissions from sponsors and working as part of a partnership to send them sales maybe you just need to steal their full scene content from PornBB and Extreme Forum and put up a bunch of banners for Adult Friend Finder, Penis Pills, and Fleshlight. :upsidedow

Some advice we could offer also is to make sure that you need to determine the "shelf life" of your top performing ads. We find that regardless of how well a particular ad has been working that it should only be used for about 3 months tops as a baseline to measure against before you swap it out and begin the process all over.

This thread = college. Most likely a party school.

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yes, all of that is possible.

The problem is where do you get from the HUGE TRAFFIC?... Traffic will not come alone.

And either buying or trading traffic are not the solutions.

VB, I gave you the solution. Either with me or someone else with a paysite. Set up a partnership with them. Take their videos and do all the editing/submitting work. then either use your coded link, set up a tour that mirrors there's so you can monitor traffic or strike a deal based on the increased type ins, or connected to the Tubes affiliate link. And get paid.

Or buy 100 scenes, set up the site, do the editing/submitting, build the site so you can get the sales and heavily push dating and cam sites or other paysites.

If you want a sponsor to do all the editing, and you'll only submit. You bring little to the table.

you bring average content at best

show me any site where any video you shot is popular

all you do is talk the fucking talk

take all your fucking uber special content paul and your uber special skills and do it yourself you stupid pommy fuck

blah blah fucking blah

Thank you for your reply Papi.

Obviously clowns like you are hurting with so much traffic now going to the massive Tubes. The problem with so many affiliates situation and this is more a dig at sponsors who built the system that affiliates. Is affiliates were for a very long time hand fed. Everything they wanted was given, in fact many sponsors were looking for things to give to affiliates before the affiliates needed it.

Now the big Tubes have a massive amount of traffic and their need is new content. They are in effect "affiliates" they have the traffic, yes they bought some content and own sites. Still the old style affiliate is being left outside.

Affiliates have blogs, forums, TGP sites. Still their traffic is disappearing to the Tubes. People are telling me how hard it is to get, well hard for them to get. Because the one thing the affiliates don't have is content. And traffic goes to content. This thread proves it, it also proves quality content sells best.

Go look at the comments to my movie on Xhamster and the one I shot for Manwin, surfers love this stuff. Now show me your content, or your site, or the Tube you submit to. Show me what you do in porn. Otherwise people wil think you're some kind of no body screaming at your betters.

Yes I talk the talk. You babble the babble. :1orglaugh

sent you an email from @ mixedracelesbos.com, appreciate if you could pass it on to whoever can help me out :thumbsup

Wonder why, as you claim traffic is easy to get, your sites are such an abject failure then? If surfers love what you do, why couldn't you get your content to sell online?

so in other words your content at at worst worthless and at best the same as everyone elses

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people whose every post is a continual attempt at oneupmanship and braggadocio generally get eaten alive here for some reason.

case in point the genius of brno - paul markham.

stop quoting the useless cunt in biz threads....

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this was a good thread at one time ....

SEO is a good start, your free blog host platform is a brilliant start that not many others have, and trading and buying traffic is great ideas. There is a reason the tubes buy a lot of traffic. Put your thinking cap on and im sure you can come up with something.
Else, if one does not have content nor traffic nor any idea how to get either, its probably not looking too good...

I think so as well. Many of these tubes grew in large part due to SEO. The large movies gave them a time on site advantage. I think practically every affiliate out there could open a so-called illegal tube if they wanted to do it and it would start to eat into the share of the established players. I think the main reason most don't is because they have realized up until now it isn't in their best interests. They also did not want to be considered scumbags who steal from others.

It would be interesting to see what happens to the existing tubes if all the mgp and legal tube operators started converting their sites into tubes which allow user uploads and are loaded with stolen content. Of course the net effect on pay site sales overall would be disastrous and such a thing might put many more pay site owners out of business but as long as the former affiliate can gain more traffic and make more on dating, cams, and penis pills who cares what happens to the pay site owner?

Theporntubeguy, is there a specific reason why you don't want to answer me or did you just misread the question? Thanks.

Morals is probably the first one that might stop a few people, second one is if you are able to fund such a project. But yes, its where it will head most definitely, no doubt about it.
Everyone started a TGP, everyone started an MGP, every started submitting galleries, everyone started a blog, a few started tubes, the rest complained. Content owners are jumping on to the tubes, so those who don't go out of business and wont be stopped by morals or funding, will create tubes. and we are back on track with over saturation of the current model.
Perhaps the train wont stop until the members areas are wide open and full of ads.

I think the sky is the limit. I was considering something new called "The User Uploaded Siterip Blog". It would work just like the tubes as far as using the DMCA to avoid prosecution or being sued. A user would be able to provide a url to a file locker which is supposed to contain a siterip for a paysite's members area. They might also provide a preview or two as well which could be hosted on the siterip blog. Siterips would be automatically posted and there would be a rating system to handle spam or fakes. Since the owner never has to filter the siterips which users upload they could be protected under the DMCA just like PornHub is. Also you wouldn't actually be hosting the material itself. As owner you can skim off a certain percentage of clicks to download the siterips and also have popunders. You could also fill your siterip blog with ads for dick pills, dating and cams to make some money from that too.

Another option for former affiliates who want to stick to the tube model is the pay tube locker using stolen (er, I mean user uploaded) content. You allow two views per day for free. Require them to register for up to ten views a week. Then after that they have to upgrade to premium. For example what this tube does femdom-fetish-tube.com. This is a far better deal for affiliates. Why only get 50% or actually more like 20% due to all the shaving and underhanded tactics when you get 100% minus processing? Hell you have it even better than the sponsors themselves since they would be the losers who actually paid to produce the content, not you. So you get all the profit with none of the costs! You could also code a processor to automatically look for watermarks or urls on the videos and have them automatically overwritten with your own. This way people will spread your url around and those losers who own the paysite who paid to produce the content will not get any type-ins from it.

It seems once piracy becomes accepted and a former affiliate abandons their morals they could make a fortune. Maybe more than they ever made in the past from adult. At least until everyone does it and it becomes saturated. I kind of feel sorry for the sponsors though. It would probably mean flipping burgers because who is going to join your paysite when the first 50 pages of Google are filled with tubes with every scene and user uploaded "Siterip blogs" who have ten different links to your members area which are updated twice a month by indian uploaders who want to collect $1 per 10,000 downloads from the file lockers?

Then the religious people have won. the law abiding porn industry is gone.
now they just have to deal with the could-not-care-less-about-laws illegal porn sites without rules or age restrictions that google is FULL of.

you are kidding right? there are thousand of such sites already.

You two make me look positively over joyed. LOL

I have tried that for some time. At first it looks great, but in the long term it does not work. I mean, the idea is perfect, but soon or late the sponsor goes againt me and force me to take the vids down.

The last sponsor I tried this shit, closed my account because the photographer that gave them the content, was not happy to see his videos on the tubes. The fucking photographer forced the sponsor to close my account after I sent them 500 signups that were rebilling each month.

After so much bullshit I can't trust anyone. People are very cheap right now in adult and everyone wants until the last cent they can do for theirselves. Really sucks.

The only solution would be to become a content producer and like I said before it would need a huge investment that at this time in adult, only a suicide guy can do.

Which one or both? Regardless you miss the point, porno jew. There can be 100,000 or 1,000,000 more.

Are you sure that was the real reason and they didn't just come up with an excuse to close your account and take the rebills while doing those submits themselves in the future?

I gave you the another solution. That is to open up BrazzeredTube.com hosted in the Ukraine with stolen brazzers content and monetization by selling dick pills or those damn Cams. Or you could stay in the blog game and open up DMCASiteripBlog.com which links to oron links containing full siterips of your former sponsors. If you can't beat 'em, join em. ;)

I better mention I'm not serious. I'm not a scumbag. Just proving a point.

we are also lauching a very nice partner program, you can manage all your channels / paysites within one admin for our whole network.

www.crakcontent.com

there is a lot of nice features alreayd and much more to come.

Best post in this thread. :thumbsup



Tube owners in this thread: Give us long clips! Long quality clips! LOOOOOONG!

Content producers in this thread : So wheres the money????

Tube owners: You are not doing it right! You need better and longer clips :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh



Does not take a genius to put 2+2 together....

But it does take a smart judge to actually make a fair comparison. By not adding into your equation the program owners that are doing good sign ups and do not own tubes you kind of paint a lopsided summary of what has been discussed in this thread.

You and Robbie also seem to miss the point that was made that the big tubes obviously do run their own paysites; moreover, they don't manipulate their own tubes to give themselves better ratings, more exposure, etc. and still let the surfers dictate what is popular or not. So what you are doing is called sophistry and it is misleadingly mistaken for logic.

There are programs that are making money. Others not. But the fact remains that since the legit tubes operate as affiliates their job is to generate traffic and the programs have the job to convert it. That is a universally held truth in online affiliate marketing. Why people have an issue with that makes no sense to me at all but always those that have will be hated by those that have not and that is just human nature so I accept it.

If 1 x 0 is zero and 100 x 0 is still zero then no matter how many uniques one gets to hit a site the number of sign ups is still going to be zero if the content is zero.

Are you telling me I won't make 100 signups a day by submitting my entire members area every other week to YouPorn? And ThePornTubeGuy isn't Ed McMahon?
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I guess let them learn for themselves. Sometimes you have to let people make their own mistakes.

we make 30-40 sales daily by submitting decently to tubes.

And i know that we could do a lot more, that just not our focus right now.

the long tail of all those submits will be VERY good.