Haha yes :1orglaugh

I'm not discouraging anyone. I'm encouraging you. Start an affiliate program so you too can be making an easy $10k a month.

If it's that easy to do, why aren't you doing it?

Already did. But not in adult, in Mainstream. :pimp

Period.

venusblogger, you talk fucking shit.

Period.

Well dont you want to play with the big fish in adult too? Why waste your time as an affiliate if you could run your own program and wipe your ass with benjamins?

My ass is raw...

Maybe one day if unicef gets into the paysite business!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

yes it is... find what works and do a lot of it

Figure out how to make $1 and then do that 10,000 times within a month.

Because it wouldn't be a challenge! :)

Yup, the challenge is fun :winkwink:

(Plus I can wipe my ass with Benjamins and I'm just an affiliate..) :pimp

Clearly the voice of experience talking

:2 cents:

Theres some truth in what venusblogger is saying except...it wouldnt apply to sponsor who are surviving and thriving, and apply to sponsors who have closed up shop even when they have a awesome product. I think only 25% of sponsors actually know shit about being webmaster, or even running a business, the proof is all around you. Theres alot of guys who just have money to throw around and put it in the right places. Theres nothing wrong with that either because you have to be smart and use some of the same skills as any business owner.

YesSignals is proof that this statement is wrong. :upsidedow

$10k a month is definitely possible, especially if you're doing mainstream and adult. I got a full time gig now, but I still maintain my adult programs and adult / mainstream affiliate sites.

BTW, company I work for has affiliates netting $30-$40k per month with conversion ratios over 3 1/2%. Plenty of money to be made.

Mainstream lead company?

Wow, this got ugly and I was trying to just ask nicely. Note to self...next time don't ask and don't worry about how much other affiliates are or can make. Instead spend my time figuring out what I can do to make more and reach 10k one day.

Damn that is funny

"Let's just say if I had an ass, I'd be wiping it with $20's!"
Shallow Hal

:thumbsup

So what are you waiting for?

:1orglaugh

than

:2 cents:

Thanks for posting this Venus Blogger. Not true at all and if you go look on B&B you will see me telling someone how to succeed.

The situation is most ideas that are floated here are crap and telling people what you're doing next is stupid. Because everyone with limited talent will copy it.

Online porn is very short of talent except in the skill of shifting traffic around. Mostly by giving away free porn.

Is it possible to be a 10k/month affiliate today???

Yes it is, if he has some real talent that 10,000 others have not got or can't duplicate. Or some really good idea to do something a lot better than;

Buy a tube script and load it with loads of free videos, feed in traffic and sell traffic to traffic brokers, with the occasional sign up on a paysite.

SEO like the other 1,000 are doing exactly the same.

Write loads of blogs that appeal to SE algorithms more than actually sell the product.

The problem isn't that these methods don't work. It's the saturation of people doing exactly the same. That's the problem.

I don't hate anyone here. Get bored with their endless pointless baiting so put them on ignore. I don't miss a lot.

You are right, we should focus on the future. Which is what?

A boost in paysite sales?

A boost in everyone's earnings?

The death of free porn?

More people selling traffic to the few remaining sectors of porn who will buy it?

More people moving to online?

The future for me is great. Because I didn't listen to people here. :thumbsup

That's what I am aiming for now. I miss adult, really I do, but I can't put down this mainstream...

Nope not possible, better get a job as a truck driver.

Written out like that it sounds very easy. And for some it is. Those with the talent to produce a great product, have the money to do it as well as put everything else together and it's not in a niche that's simply saturated.

Most of today's sponsors still doing well started as small acorns, didn't get crushed like so many and grew.

Building a site to compete with them from the ground up would cost well into a 6 figure price. Very few affiliates have that kind of cash to spare back in the day or today. We were fortunate that all our content when we started was free, in fact it was already very profitable. So spending the money to open a paysite wasn't a problem.

Now some will show me some site full of cheap Exgf content and swear blind it's a gold mine or tell me the skills to drive traffic are totally different to the ones to convert it.

Yes in a niche that is totally saturated and full of sites who can rarely afford to get content, there's a couple that might do well. They of course don't know. :upsidedow

Without the skills to recognise a good tour, know which tours will convert people will swear they can make a good living sorting it out by their stats. And without learning why a tour is hitting the surfers eyes and making them buy.

Unless you're trying to sell something to affiliates, why paint a rosy picture?

The same goes for so much here.

We were firstly magazine shooters and even with a list of our clients, a detailed instruction manual on how to shoot a set. Few shooters could produce a set that magazines would buy. Because they didn't have the skill to find fresh new faces, budget to wait for 6 months to see their money start to come back or the people skills to get a model to pose the way so many others did.

So from Suze Randal down to me, we were not going to compete with other shooters.

Now do I tell them it's so easy that anyone can do it and they lose a lot of money. Or worse still they do get in and take some of our business and income?

So why would people want others to come in and encroach on their market?

If it's so easy, they stand to lose money. If on the other hand it's so hard the person being encouraged in stands to lose money.

This is business not a social club or communism where we share our wealth. We are either risking losing money or conning someone into a false sense of security. And letting them risk money. Every new affiliate doesn't bring 1,000 new porn customers with him. He could take 1,000 away from others. The hard part about being affiliate is getting enough traffic to make living. I see no sense in sharing it with others who will only take from the pot.

So Sly are you one of the "lets share our traffic with everyone crew" or "lets sell something to a newbie crew"?

We publish our detailed TOP100 affiliates stats (click on any line to get daily stats).

http://webmasters.totemcash.com/top100.php

There is a bunch of them over a few K a month just with us, so I guess yes, promoting a few programs makes $10K a month is reachable.

Great list. It clearly shows some can get near that magical figure of $10k. Still with #100

UNITED KINGDOM 18234 1/147 124 $338.28

It shows how tough it is to get to $10k a month. So anyone thinking it's impossible is clearly wrong, as is anyone who thinks it's probable today for all but the elite.

Are the top guys old hands or newbies?

Many affiliates promote more than one program, too :2 cents:

:2 cents::thumbsup

Now we are talking... I completely agree there.

3K-4K in adult and 6K-7K in Mainstream is more than possible and I can even say it can be considered quite average.

But 10K in adult alone these days is not average like in 2005...

Period.

Exactly. That answers the question some people made to me before.

Even If I could invest 6 figure CASH in a site right now, I would never do it in adult RIGHT NOW. Maybe 7 years ago. But not now.

Of course a sponsor from 1999, can tell me to do so, because he has his paysites since 1999, he's already in. He has nothing to lose.

But I'm sure that same guy would not start a sponsor from ZERO in year 2012. And when I say from ZERO, I say from ZERO.

A clear example of someone who went INTO the GAME and OUTSIDE the GAME exactly at the right time, is SHAP. That guy is a TRUE BUSINESS GUY and deserves some respect.

Period.

I can hear you, man. :pimp

Bingo.

Seriously I don't know why some people here hate you. Altough I can admit that some of your posts may be a little noisy, if people know to read carefully between lines you are giving quite some great advice in other posts. And I'm not talking specially about this post I'm quoting, but about many others you did and people just don't understand and attack you.

totemcash / virtugirl is usually just a small part of an affiliates total income usually just a banner or im ad on the site. i would guess most affiliates total income is anywhere 5-20 times those numbers with all programs promoted combined.

again clueless as usual.

Period.

It all depends on what you're working with.

If you have zero $$ and beginner of skills to get started. For example working with sensual writer thumblogger and whatnot. You're probably not gonna do 10k per month.

If you have programming and design experience. Combined with a decent start up cost. It still might be a full time gig to make 10k a month.

No easy way in this fucking biz :(

I see people doing 10k + but they're buying traffic or they run big traffic sites.

I will say this...Roald, you are the man dude! You're a beast when it comes to traffic and affiliate stuff! If I had 10% of the traffic and success you have I'd be lucky. Solid work on your behalf!!!!!

$Bs 10k yes

Shap built from a low position, buying content from Matrix. When that was an acceptable source for paysite content

He got to a height, where he could of diversified out of online porn, so did he?

And with all his business skills, could he of started in 2008 and rose the same way?

It takes far more then business skills to rise in an established industry. You need raw talent, money, backing and a variety of skills.

Could Larry Page and Sergey Brin build a successful SE today?
Could Mark Zuckerberg build a successful social Network today?
Could Manwin become the success they are today, without a massive amount of money?

No, no and no.

Can a newbie rise to a $120,000 income today without something very special to offer that's not done by 10,000 others? :1orglaugh

Could I become a successful shooter, starting with the budget and skills I had in 1977? Not a chance. :winkwink:

If you see who the haters are, you understand why many of them hate me. :thumbsup

you are right no one can make money any more. they should all give up on life like you have.

you are such an inspiration.

Thanks I really appreciate the kind words :thumbsup

You know so little about me and yet love to drop my name every chance you get. I started a new site in 2008-2009 in a new market i was completely clueless about. Invested newbie type money in the site and still despite that within 2 years that site was a market leader and making crazy money.

The two best tips from page one. Hands down.

*continues reading*

Agreed :thumbsup