Finally some sense in this thread

I read the first post where you asserted that, JohnnyClips.

Rational thought explains a guy dying on a cross and rising 3 days later to liquidate all our sins? WTF?!!

That's a whole other discussion. I don't see anywhere in the thread title or original post that mentions Christianity. We're discussing the existence of God here.

I believe there could be a higher power, but the cockroach that I had to swat last night actually mattered more to me cause he affected my life. the higher power never will until it doesn't matter any longer.

I guess we will work things out at that time

For the sake of this discussion, God = an intelligent First Cause. For context, here's Albert Einstein's thoughts again:

"I?m not an atheist, and I don?t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of those books but doesn?t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations.?

He renounced atheism because he never considered his denial of a personal God as a denial of God. He very much believed in a ?superior reasoning force,? a ?superior mind,? an ?illimitable superior spirit? and a ?mysterious force that moves the constellations.?

That's what we are referring to as "God" in this thread.

You've got to be kidding me with this shit.

Unless you bother reading through the posts made here, and engaging in valid discussion, kindly step out.

Unless you're a mod with the power to kick me out, kiss my ass. :321GFY

And there you have it.

You're fueling a religious debate on a porn forum where most of the members don't want you around. To me, that's disrespectful.

I'm not reading your long and seemingly rambling posts because I don't give 2 shits about religion and there is nothing that you or anybody else can possible post that will change my mind.

I am however reading your shorter posts where I don't have to shift through as much bullshit.

Look, don't start quoting genius. It makes you look a lot dumber than you are.

Good advice. :thumbsup

See ya.

It's like reading the Greek Myths which are much better written.

The posts you refer to as bullshit are those in which I post what I believe to be evidence of God. If you are here posting in this thread I would like to assume you wish to join the discussion. But joining the discussion requires having a conversation. If you and I were sitting face to face and I spoke only what came to mind and didn't bother listening to your replies, would you stick around long?

As for what most of the members want... I am sure that if it were possible for members to vote people off the GFY Island, there are many who would have to go. I was invited back by a representative for the company that owns the board. That's good enough for me.

Sure we don't know everything, that's the fun part discovering new things. Religion to me holds back human advancement, example read about Baghdad 800-1100 AD. I feel Religious people in general will say "God did it" to everything and stay ignorant to basic facts, and I was one of those people. A funny example would be Bill O'Reilly claiming that God creates the tides, not the gravitational pull from the moon & sun. If Science could explain every law that makes the planet work would you still hold your strong belief?

Religion was never the topic of this thread. However, are you not aware that the Catholic Church created the institution of Universities of higher learning? Even the likes of Yale began as religious institutions. And we haven't discussed the hospitals founded by the Church, etc. That being the case, to say that religion hold back human advancement is incorrect.

By the way, I am NOT Catholic. Just stating fact.

As for scientific discovery:
Science is doing a great job of slowly revealing HOW God created the universe. Science and a belief in God do not conflict. A belief in God merely asserts that all of the laws and discoveries we've made were instituted by an intelligent First Cause.

If God exists or any higher power with an individual conscious, he is the most evil fuck that ever fucking existed. the shit he lets happen can't even be explained and most people would be doing 50 life sentences for. So either there is no God or God is really the fucking devil and that is your fucking hero.

I would rather just think he's a myth.

Really? Give me examples of things that make God evil.

African women having bayonets shoved up their snatches and babies pulled out of them and splatted against trees.

I thought i would start with something minor. Should I go on?

How do the actions of humans who have free will reflect on the evilness of God?

Killing of every firstborn in Egypt seems kinda bad

We can move to the nuclear bombs being dropped on the japs and their skin peeling off. Not saying they didn't deserve it from out perspective but God being God should have stopped that shit before it even happened and for that matter made the japs nicer people back when that shit started.

they are pretty nice now but they were shoving bayonets into chinks and pulling babies out, remember that...

I know, I know, that has nothing to do with God. He just watches this shit and giggles...

Again, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist, or at least not in the way it matters or is relevant again.

So you are using an example out of a book you believe to be a fairy tale? How about instead using modern examples from sources that YOU believe?

No one has free will. Even without a God existing so you can toss that lame excuse right into the garbage can. Everyone acts because of some time of influence or situation. This is how they put starving people in jail, with that silly phrase "Free Will" it's delusion.

Christians would say God gave us Free Will

You are once again using illustrations of human behavior. How does that reflect on God?

It seems to me that you are saying God must be evil because he doesn't interfere with human free will. Would free will truly exist if God only allowed what was good and blocked what was not? Of course not. For true free will to exist, poor choices must be allowed to be made.

History is not a fairy tale. Just the concept that god was killing the kids instead of disease. Don't you think it is more humane that just disease took the kids. Do you really love that God you read about who wanted Adam to kill his fucking first born and who killed Egyptian babies?

Explain this. Putting people in jail does not invalidate free will. The people who put those in jail had more power than those who were jailed. That doesn't mean free will doesn't exist. It does.

This post is a great example of why we're not discussing religion or the Bible in this thread, but rather, the existence of God. You have no idea what you're talking about - you are getting your Bible stories mixed up.

So what the fuck does God actually do and why is he even a little bit relevant.

In Egypt he killed babies, but he had nothing to do with American technology and the dropping of nuclear weapons? What is he on like a long vaction? resting up for the real serious shit coming?

It's funny how you religious freaks pick and choose...

Yeah, I wasn't saying they were the same story, but I do know my bible stories and I'm sure I know them better than the religious freaks who claim to have read the bible. I actually had classes in it.

As have I, along with a library of more than 19,000 books that discuss it in great detail. I've spent literally thousands of hours studying it.

I never said I don't believe in God. I can't give modern examples since there is no modern words accredited to God. Giving modern examples of people crediting God for entering a War or killing their 6 children would be Ludicrous

If you actually believe God was killing babies and you still love him, well than HE bless you and you have a good time sucking each other off in heaven. The fact that you would think that and think an actual individual thinking God with his own conscious mind still exists, cause that what we are really talking about, is pretty fucking sad.