Originally Posted by Paul (Post 18908247)

Good thread till PM came into it and ruined it like he does with every other thread.

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 18908561)

he knows who he activated the username for, you cocksucking loser.. and why do you give two shits, you're nothing BUT a bitch that posts all the damn time. Get with the program, boy

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18908598)

This is simply not true. The problem is that 99% of the "professionals" can't actually dumb their shoots down to make the content look authentic. They can't take themselves out of the equation, and this is why they sell crappy GF content.

Forget about what it costs to make. That is irrelevant. It has to be authentic if it's going to sell, and time, and time, and time again, "professionals" are unable to create it. You can't shoot authentic GF content in a studio, in a clean room or bathroom. It doesn't work. It's not real. It doesn't look real. These whores all live in dirty apartments, marks on their mirrors, clothes hanging about, messy dressers, and so on. Unless you go to their house and turn them loose with a camera, most professionals will screw these types of simple shoots up. That's all there is to it. Not for $300, not for $3000, the result is the same, FAKE looking ex-gf content.

You can count the guys who come up with good authentic looking GF content on one hand.

If you want the best GF content, get it from the girls directly. There is no "producer" in realistic GF content, because there is nothing to produce. Therefor, it would never, ever cost $6000 (or even $600) to create, because you, the producer, is not needed. All that is needed is some guy telling a girl to give him photos and he'll pay her. He doesn't even have to know how to turn a camera on. Difficult concept sometimes for a producer to grasp, but that's how it is now.

Paul, I have a lot of respect for you as producer and a vet in the biz, but you're missing the bigger picture here. Guys who can do what you did are few and far between. Guys who can shoot for Met-Art are few and far between. And while it may be more rewarding from a creative point of view (because the financial rewards for such things are over), when it comes time to cashing checks these days, being creative takes a back seat. However, these days a guy doesn't even have to know how to work a camera and he can still make money from girls willing to do all the work for him. That is brilliant on another level. AND IT SELLS!!!! The more amateur it is, the better it sells. The shittier you think it looks, the more money it will probably make. There is no waiting months to collect, they can sell it right away because it's cheap. Think Walmart, not Gucci.

What you did is dead and gone. Those types of dollar amounts, gone. Not even worth talking about, because those days are never coming back. Ever. Neither are my DVD sales that I used to make good money on. Gone. Swallow the pill that you don't have to be great or professional to make money anymore, even if they dollar amount per set is lower than it used to be. But production is cheaper than it used to be too, as is equipment. It's a hard pill to swallow, but the entire industry changed, like it or not, and this is where we are. All of us. Professionals and non-professionals. Now, everyone just does what they can do keep moving forward. I too wish the "good 'ol days" would come back but they never will.

It does you a great disservice to discredit this type of content, be it for quality or price, and really makes you look like you can not adapt or understand what has happened around you. You could cash in on it too and make supplemental income without doing anything at all other than turning girls loose with a camera. IMHO, that is what I would be doing if I was you and retired. Find the girls, let them do all the work, and you sell it at a fair, competitive price. But the trick to the whole thing, is taking "Paul Markham" out of the equation. There can be no you involved in creating the content, or it won't be authentic. That is the key.

I'd rather see you back to making money and having adapted to the crazy industry we're in now than beating dead horses on GFY. You have skills to shoot, there is no denying that, but they are no longer needed to make money. The only skill needed is the skill to sell the content someone else shoots (cheaply) for you. THAT is what you need to get your head around.

Originally Posted by homegrownmof (Post 18908695)

Paul you are so clearly out of line here it is insane.

Ninavain has nailed that ex-gf niche

You're still hyping 90s content, and in the midst of that trying to tell Ninavain how to shoot.

When will it end?

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 18908831)

thank you:thumbsup

Originally Posted by homegrownmof (Post 18908695)

Paul you are so clearly out of line here it is insane.

Ninavain has nailed that ex-gf niche

You're still hyping 90s content, and in the midst of that trying to tell Ninavain how to shoot.

When will it end?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18908917)

Yes, she has got a supply that matches her budget.

It has nothing to do with 90s content and that's distracting from my point. Do you pay $3,000 for a BG video and set as a norm?

You and I met years ago when you were interested in buying my Astral Blue content. I didn't move away from that to where I ended up because Amateur paid better.

DWB's point is invalid. We just give the girl the instructions for the shoot and let her go and shoot it. Girls who turn up on castings and done no work, so no preconceived ideas of how it should look. Or we give the camera to a guy who cant shoot, but has the gift of the gab so able to talk girls into it and get the reaction from them. But we can't compete with the prices girls on FB charge. And to be honest, we don't want to.

For those who can produce Met Art, Saboom, even Brazzers level. The market still exists and the higher you climb the less the competition and the more that are willing to pay. Operating at the bottom is saturated and the demand is low. So the ability to invest in ones business is limited.

Nina, the gif looks professional and nothing like what you and DWB are describing. However I know people who can shoot that all day long, what are you paying?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18908917)

DWB's point is invalid. We just give the girl the instructions for the shoot and let her go and shoot it. Girls who turn up on castings and done no work, so no preconceived ideas of how it should look. Or we give the camera to a guy who cant shoot, but has the gift of the gab so able to talk girls into it and get the reaction from them.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18908917)

But we can't compete with the prices girls on FB charge. And to be honest, we don't want to.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18908917)

However I know people who can shoot that all day long

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18909016)

So Simon, why don't you explain to us why you keep posting under different names.
You dumb white trash piece of shit.

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 18909039)

contribute to the discussion or get the fuck out of here with that old dry ass fake drama bullshit..the industry is in a tail spin and you want to play Billy Badass on some dumb shit, you look like a fucking tool right now

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18908917)

Yes, she has got a supply that matches her budget.

It has nothing to do with 90s content and that's distracting from my point. Do you pay $3,000 for a BG video and set as a norm?

You and I met years ago when you were interested in buying my Astral Blue content. I didn't move away from that to where I ended up because Amateur paid better

DWB's point is invalid. We just give the girl the instructions for the shoot and let her go and shoot it. Girls who turn up on castings and done no work, so no preconceived ideas of how it should look. Or we give the camera to a guy who cant shoot, but has the gift of the gab so able to talk girls into it and get the reaction from them. But we can't compete with the prices girls on FB charge. And to be honest, we don't want to.

For those who can produce Met Art, Saboom, even Brazzers level. The market still exists and the higher you climb the less the competition and the more that are willing to pay. Operating at the bottom is saturated and the demand is low. So the ability to invest in ones business is limited.

Nina, the gif looks professional and nothing like what you and DWB are describing. However I know people who can shoot that all day long, what are you paying?

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18909045)

So why exactly do you post on different names? Care to explain? Is that he one should run a business you think?

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18909045)

So why exactly do you post on different names? Care to explain? Is that he one should run a business you think?

Originally Posted by homegrownmof (Post 18909049)

********** i recall meeting, it was at the Venetian. But i never wanted your Astral Blue content- i wanted the girls. And it would have taken me forever to do what DWB posted above- explain how you need to take "Paul Markham" out of the picture and just make it about the amateur girls.

************ i do recall you giving me the same lecture about how much $$ you can make by selling to mags. Same shit different year.

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 18909050)

this is the nick theo opened for me..so ask him..now if you don't mind, grown ass men are conducting business..hell even Paul is above your punk ass in this thread

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18909063)

Really? Nina was also posting under this nick. And you were also using another nick.
Weren't you even banned with 1 nick for your constant spamming?
I have no idea why people still do business with you. In the offline world someone with your business "skills" wouldn't be able to sell anything. You are very lucky this business full of dumb sleazebags (like yourself) exists.
You are pure white trash. Of the worst kind. A very low iq. Agressive, no manners whatsoever, no clue about anything. If it wasn't for the internet your daily life would consist of shooting cans outside your trailer.

Anybody who thinks about doing business with this idiot should look up some threads from the past. Mainly for the nick Simonsinister.

Originally Posted by looky_lou (Post 18907479)

Or, if shot properly, sell it for $300 non-exclusive and sell it 10 times.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 18909085)

Who would buy ex gf non exclusive for 300$ ?

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 18909096)

every fucking body:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 18909107)

At least on this forum I see people selling in 10$ or 25$ price range, why would they sell that if everybody would pay 20 times more?

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 18909109)

fuck I don't know..is it legal? If so, show me that shit and I'll buy some myself
I have 5k pix and 100 videos for my $300 package it's fair and it's not too much

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18907432)

The problem is getting 18+ girls to do this. By the time they have become 18 they have heard many stories of girls being found out, blackmailed, bullied, taunted and exposed.

Originally Posted by globofun (Post 18909126)

By old perverts?

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 18909116)

Thats of course fair.

Talk was about one big picture set (of one chick going to the mall, getting back posing with 10 outfits etc) selling for that much (Paul was implying 300$ as exclusive price and somebody said "why not sell it 10 times as non exclusive")
So would many pay 300$ non exclusive for a PICTURE set of ONE model?

Originally Posted by looky_lou (Post 18909163)

1 model hired for the day = 6-10 photo sets of 100-200 pics each, plus 2-4 teasing and or masturbation videos 10-20 min in length.

Cost to produce in the US = $300.00 - $500.00 for the model + your time.

Tell her to bring all of her own club dresses, heels, bikinis, bras, panties, worn out jeans, dildos, bongs, etc. Maybe she could even bring her own cat of dog along with its food bowl :)

Use you own iPhone. Go to the mall and buy 10 different fake designer and humorous cases for your phone and change them up throughout the shoot with each outfit.

Ideal is to find a nice average model with a really hair bush that is willing to shave it. Shoot some sets with the full bush. Then give her a shorter, well trimmed look for a few sets. Buzz it to a landing strip for a few sets. Finish up with a set of the actual shaving and then a few sets fully shaved.

If you can't sell this for $300.00 non-exclusive 10 times. Quit! But, if shot and done properly, this should be no problem.

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob (Post 18908169)

And I don't? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 18909171)

Do you suggest making only "self shot" style in this case? Or mix it up with "boyfriend shot"?

Also what if its done as you say but no nude photos (just underwear)? Would that still sell, just for less money, like 150$ non exclusive x 10 times or it won't sell nearly as good?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18908615)

Sorry if my pointing out most of you can't afford to invest in your businesses upsets you. You see I come from a business where investing in what we did was normal.

Met Art and a host of other top sites didn't get where they are today without a lot of investment.

Anyway sharing advice like Nina is, isn't the cleverest business model. Now you're asking her to walk you through her process. How about she just finds them for you and sends them straight to you. :upsidedow

epitome will you tell that to the judge when you're in court for publishing CP?

Nine, go ask a lawyer, don't listen to people on a board when it comes to your freedom.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18908988)

My point is very valid. It just hasn't sunk in yet what is happening around you. I'm a producer too and I too used to make a lot of money via other methods, so I know first hand that this is a hard pill to swallow. But the sooner you do, the faster you will get caught up with the times and making money again.

Originally Posted by homegrownmof (Post 18909049)

********** i recall meeting, it was at the Venetian. But i never wanted your Astral Blue content- i wanted the girls. And it would have taken me forever to do what DWB posted above- explain how you need to take "Paul Markham" out of the picture and just make it about the amateur girls.

************ i do recall you giving me the same lecture about how much $$ you can make by selling to mags. Same shit different year.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 18909085)

Who would buy ex gf non exclusive for 300$ ?

Originally Posted by looky_lou (Post 18909163)

1 model hired for the day = 6-10 photo sets of 100-200 pics each, plus 2-4 teasing and or masturbation videos 10-20 min in length.

Cost to produce in the US = $300.00 - $500.00 for the model + your time.

Tell her to bring all of her own club dresses, heels, bikinis, bras, panties, worn out jeans, dildos, bongs, etc. Maybe she could even bring her own cat of dog along with its food bowl :)

Use you own iPhone. Go to the mall and buy 10 different fake designer and humorous cases for your phone and change them up throughout the shoot with each outfit.

Ideal is to find a nice average model with a really hair bush that is willing to shave it. Shoot some sets with the full bush. Then give her a shorter, well trimmed look for a few sets. Buzz it to a landing strip for a few sets. Finish up with a set of the actual shaving and then a few sets fully shaved.

If you can't sell this for $300.00 non-exclusive 10 times. Quit! But, if shot and done properly, this should be no problem.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18909549)

Situation is Madalton who still works isn't bothering with it. However new girs here are thin in the ground. they don't want to do sex scenes that will be seen by the world for a few hundred bucks.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18909591)

i am not bothering with what? contacting girls on facebook? no, i dont do that, indeed. But our exGF content has made us VERY good money.

Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 18909647)

Paul M : you annoy the fuck out of this forum. You spend too much time on this board and crap your very smart remarks in every fucking thread. Its really, really annoying. Fatfoo was annoying too, but at least he had a STYLE and was able to make ppl smile. You Can Not.

Originally Posted by yuu (Post 18909958)

good advices

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18909724)

Then put me on ignore. :thumbsup

And don't reply to me, that's really dumb.

Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 18909647)

Paul M : you annoy the fuck out of this forum. You spend too much time on this board and crap your very smart remarks in every fucking thread. Its really, really annoying. Fatfoo was annoying too, but at least he had a STYLE and was able to make ppl smile. You Can Not.

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18909445)

The irony is that one reason amateur self-shot is so popular these days is because people are tired of the sterile cookie cutter porn people like Markham produced.

Some of the best selling sites these days are amateur. Paul can't grasp that you can spend a $100 or so on a self-shot set you buy from the model exclusive and can sell more memberships than a $2,000 scene shot in a studio.