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I've promoted a lot of professionally done exgf content and also a lot of real/amateur exgf content and the professionally done stuff converts like SHIT. I love real EXGF content and it aggravates me seeing some of the programs on this forum churn out their latest "EXGFS EXPOSED!!!" sites and have pornstars on their tour or photos that look like the photographer tried to get a model to act like a teen taking self nude shots...and just failed miserably. |
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Good thread till PM came into it and ruined it like he does with every other thread.
Ninavain how do you recruit models on Facebook? Via a fan page or do you just contact girls you like the look of? |
LOL at the people talking about an ID possibly being fake when you're most likely promoting ex-gf sites that use scraped content.
Newsflash, when you buy content off somebody that they film themselves, they are the producer of said content. You can be given a fake ID in person just as easily as online (Bianca Moore and many others). You do not need to physically inspect the actual ID, just like you don't when you buy content from another producer. You get docs. You get them with photos of the ID next to their face and you get a secondary form of ID ... that isn't even required by law, you just do it to show you're performing due diligence. Does VS, which is US based make models FedEx their physical ID for inspection? Of course not. Does Homegrown visit the home of everybody that sells them content to inspect ID's? Of course not. Know the law before you spout off about things you know about. Better yet, keep your mouth shut if you promote any exgf program that scrapes content off the internet. Be happy that there are people out there doing it the right way. |
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so a piercing is key i presume?
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Forget about what it costs to make. That is irrelevant. It has to be authentic if it's going to sell, and time, and time, and time again, "professionals" are unable to create it. You can't shoot authentic GF content in a studio, in a clean room or bathroom. It doesn't work. It's not real. It doesn't look real. These whores all live in dirty apartments, marks on their mirrors, clothes hanging about, messy dressers, and so on. Unless you go to their house and turn them loose with a camera, most professionals will screw these types of simple shoots up. That's all there is to it. Not for $300, not for $3000, the result is the same, FAKE looking ex-gf content. You can count the guys who come up with good authentic looking GF content on one hand. If you want the best GF content, get it from the girls directly. There is no "producer" in realistic GF content, because there is nothing to produce. Therefor, it would never, ever cost $6000 (or even $600) to create, because you, the producer, is not needed. All that is needed is some guy telling a girl to give him photos and he'll pay her. He doesn't even have to know how to turn a camera on. Difficult concept sometimes for a producer to grasp, but that's how it is now. Paul, I have a lot of respect for you as producer and a vet in the biz, but you're missing the bigger picture here. Guys who can do what you did are few and far between. Guys who can shoot for Met-Art are few and far between. And while it may be more rewarding from a creative point of view (because the financial rewards for such things are over), when it comes time to cashing checks these days, being creative takes a back seat. However, these days a guy doesn't even have to know how to work a camera and he can still make money from girls willing to do all the work for him. That is brilliant on another level. AND IT SELLS!!!! The more amateur it is, the better it sells. The shittier you think it looks, the more money it will probably make. There is no waiting months to collect, they can sell it right away because it's cheap. Think Walmart, not Gucci. What you did is dead and gone. Those types of dollar amounts, gone. Not even worth talking about, because those days are never coming back. Ever. Neither are my DVD sales that I used to make good money on. Gone. Swallow the pill that you don't have to be great or professional to make money anymore, even if they dollar amount per set is lower than it used to be. But production is cheaper than it used to be too, as is equipment. It's a hard pill to swallow, but the entire industry changed, like it or not, and this is where we are. All of us. Professionals and non-professionals. Now, everyone just does what they can do keep moving forward. I too wish the "good 'ol days" would come back but they never will. It does you a great disservice to discredit this type of content, be it for quality or price, and really makes you look like you can not adapt or understand what has happened around you. You could cash in on it too and make supplemental income without doing anything at all other than turning girls loose with a camera. IMHO, that is what I would be doing if I was you and retired. Find the girls, let them do all the work, and you sell it at a fair, competitive price. But the trick to the whole thing, is taking "Paul Markham" out of the equation. There can be no you involved in creating the content, or it won't be authentic. That is the key. I'd rather see you back to making money and having adapted to the crazy industry we're in now than beating dead horses on GFY. You have skills to shoot, there is no denying that, but they are no longer needed to make money. The only skill needed is the skill to sell the content someone else shoots (cheaply) for you. THAT is what you need to get your head around. |
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Met Art and a host of other top sites didn't get where they are today without a lot of investment. Anyway sharing advice like Nina is, isn't the cleverest business model. Now you're asking her to walk you through her process. How about she just finds them for you and sends them straight to you. :upsidedow epitome will you tell that to the judge when you're in court for publishing CP? Nine, go ask a lawyer, don't listen to people on a board when it comes to your freedom. |
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Paul you are so clearly out of line here it is insane.
Ninavain has nailed that ex-gf niche You're still hyping 90s content, and in the midst of that trying to tell Ninavain how to shoot. When will it end? |
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DWB now I know why my selfshot mirror pics to my cock DOES sell :thumbsup
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It has nothing to do with 90s content and that's distracting from my point. Do you pay $3,000 for a BG video and set as a norm? You and I met years ago when you were interested in buying my Astral Blue content. I didn't move away from that to where I ended up because Amateur paid better. DWB's point is invalid. We just give the girl the instructions for the shoot and let her go and shoot it. Girls who turn up on castings and done no work, so no preconceived ideas of how it should look. Or we give the camera to a guy who cant shoot, but has the gift of the gab so able to talk girls into it and get the reaction from them. But we can't compete with the prices girls on FB charge. And to be honest, we don't want to. For those who can produce Met Art, Saboom, even Brazzers level. The market still exists and the higher you climb the less the competition and the more that are willing to pay. Operating at the bottom is saturated and the demand is low. So the ability to invest in ones business is limited. Nina, the gif looks professional and nothing like what you and DWB are describing. However I know people who can shoot that all day long, what are you paying? |
I think it is fair to say that the market for Glam content doesn't overlap so heavily with the Homemade content market. It is a different product for a different customer. From what I've seen, the Homemade product is gaining ground fast.
I see threads on GFY about how much time people are spending with post-production, how much they're spending on cameras, etc.. That is a different product, for a different customer, in a different (enough) market. The ultimate ex-gf/homemade content is shot by the girl with a cell phone in a bathroom. Angie Varona unwittingly did it right. |
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You can count on two hands the companies who will pay top dollar for glam these days. However, you can't count the number of people and companies who will pay a few hundred bucks for some good GF content. So you can spend a ton in production and hope to sell it to someone who may or may not be buying, or you can spend very little on production (acquiring content) and sell it for a smaller amount to many others who ARE buying. It's 2012, where do you think the money is? Unless you have a full time gig with Manwin, it's in cheaper content sold at lower prices. "Amateur" is massivly in and like it or not, it's only getting bigger. Quote:
You can sell it just as much as anyone else sells theirs and pay no more or no less for it. You have a whole country full of untapped hotties over there to poach. Quote:
All I'm saying is, stop knocking it and try making money with it. You don't have anything else to do, and you obviously have the sales skills to sell to magazines, so I know you can sell content to webmasters, even if they are cheap. I'd be doing the same thing if I didn't have my own sites that kept me busy. |
So Simon, why don't you explain to us why you keep posting under different names.
You dumb white trash piece of shit. |
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************ i do recall you giving me the same lecture about how much $$ you can make by selling to mags. Same shit different year. |
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Weren't you even banned with 1 nick for your constant spamming? I have no idea why people still do business with you. In the offline world someone with your business "skills" wouldn't be able to sell anything. You are very lucky this business full of dumb sleazebags (like yourself) exists. You are pure white trash. Of the worst kind. A very low iq. Agressive, no manners whatsoever, no clue about anything. If it wasn't for the internet your daily life would consist of shooting cans outside your trailer. Anybody who thinks about doing business with this idiot should look up some threads from the past. Mainly for the nick Simonsinister. |
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now for more samples btw..this is award winner Andy San Dimas ( I brought her to vegas in 07 and introduced her to the game) You can thank me for that http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aNMLo4zZ6V...0/IMG_3282.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sqHpmA3KHC...0/IMG_3299.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YcQfJbJUls...0/DSC01569.JPG http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Et0CGTfPvw...9d2772bcc5.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D2P0d57Gkg...rselfpix33.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BgZHBhSMk3...0/IMG_1291.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NCO-X7FNhc...0/IMG_1347.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mrLHhTsEFD...ellphone28.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wj3Zp9_6zU...ellphone16.jpg that last girl turned out to be fantastic, gave some great bjs and hjs..good fuck too http://imagecdn.clips4sale.com/accou...%20copy_19.gif |
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I have 5k pix and 100 videos for my $300 package it's fair and it's not too much |
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Talk was about one big picture set (of one chick going to the mall, getting back posing with 10 outfits etc) selling for that much (Paul was implying 300$ as exclusive price and somebody said "why not sell it 10 times as non exclusive") So would many pay 300$ non exclusive for a PICTURE set of ONE model? |
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By old perverts? |
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Cost to produce in the US = $300.00 - $500.00 for the model + your time. Tell her to bring all of her own club dresses, heels, bikinis, bras, panties, worn out jeans, dildos, bongs, etc. Maybe she could even bring her own cat of dog along with its food bowl :) Use you own iPhone. Go to the mall and buy 10 different fake designer and humorous cases for your phone and change them up throughout the shoot with each outfit. Ideal is to find a nice average model with a really hair bush that is willing to shave it. Shoot some sets with the full bush. Then give her a shorter, well trimmed look for a few sets. Buzz it to a landing strip for a few sets. Finish up with a set of the actual shaving and then a few sets fully shaved. If you can't sell this for $300.00 non-exclusive 10 times. Quit! But, if shot and done properly, this should be no problem. |
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Also what if its done as you say but no nude photos (just underwear)? Would that still sell, just for less money, like 150$ non exclusive x 10 times or it won't sell nearly as good? |
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