advanced programmers use a frame work, their own or a modified standard.
Write once, use many.

I view it all as "utilities" to facilitate coding.
Swash it around in your mouth with buzz words all you want to.

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Cool, you've convinced me that HTML code is not code.

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Codeigniter and currently learning FLOW3

Anyone using Bonfire with CI ?

Bonfire looks great. I haven't had a project to try it out with yet.

I'm thinking about building our unified evidence and infringement tracking system in it.

I built the first version of it in Filemaker but quickly outgrowing that platform.

I want to be able to integrate and spawn all of our custom data mining scripts from a unified system that will not only manage the data store of all our information but also integrate with the API's of Podio to feed data back and forth from our collaboration system.

So far CI + Bonfire looks like the best kickstart solution.

PHP?.... Yuk!! I use Perl with the Dancer Framework ;)

I never used an actual framework but I recently began looking into this more and realized I have been using a basic home brew framework for some of my larger coding projects. Frameworks are definitely awesome when lots of code and functions are involved.

I want to learn CodeIgnitor or Cake though...

We like Symfony, although that phrase "CI" confused me, I hear CI and think of Continuous Integration, which is another process that everyone building larger scale services should be involved with. Previously used Bamboo on JIRA, but currently have teams on teamcity, and another on Jenkins. You should also be using TDD/phpunit so you can automate your code testing. Mix TDD with some Selenium RC , driven with Jenkins and some scripting. Then when you do a commit on tortoise SVN back to the trunk, automatic test, build and deployment to your FT/QA server is instant. Reducing the size of your commit/code deltas drastically reduces your technical debt prior to a major release. The aim of course is to try and get close to a Continuous Deployment with 100% test coverage.

I write every single character of the code by hand. If you want a real performance and real reliability then you need to do it all by hand in a simple txt editor.

CI with twitter bootstrap. I can knock out a nice gui infinitely faster than I could without a framework.

I've used Cake, CI, Symfony and Yii. Yii gets my vote. Symfony is starting to grow on me, but I just find myself getting much more done with Yii.

It's all preference but some caveats I found with the others were the team being overly involved in solving my problems and not letting me do so myself. As long as you are a decent programmer, with your own conventions that make sense, Yii is flexible enough to get the job done.

i cant afford PHP... But I can afford and DID donate to AK campaign...

DID YOU???

hi, I use my "framework" with the dreamweaver studio enhanced performance version CS8

surprised to see so many people using codeigniter , i like it too.. the next one will be fuelphp or laravel..

Surprised so many use dreamweaver! I have spend 99% of my time writing code in notepad... the other 1% in notepad++

I remember learning html and javascript back in the 90s... changing the cursor on people and using transitional effects... WTF was I thinking! OMG!

But thats how I learned and can never get into anything else, im stuck in my ways!

I use Kohana for projects where clients need a framework with documentation. Built my own small framework that does exactly what i need for everything else.

Laravel has got more traction than Fuel.

Kohana is confusing and poorly documented.

Most of the cool kids have moved on to Ruby ... as PHP has more holes in it than Suisse Cheese.

lol ruby? :1orglaugh

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