Can't do that as it would break the contract. We kept a back up of all the content we shot for ourselves. Once the client had the master copy, we destroyed ours. So no mistakes were made.

If Max gives 2-shits about what you think of his work, he should have his head examined. No offense... but after taking a look at the trailers on your site, you're in no position to school Max on anything.

Producers in this industry tickle the shit outta' me. Always trying to make themselves feel relevant by talking shit about other producers (or their work)....or trying to school them on how things should be done. If you really wanted to help Max, you would reach out to him in private via email. The only reason you're doing this in public is because you think it makes you look important. I think it makes you look like an idiot. You're starting to remind me of Paul Markham. The guy who knows everything... publicly degrading the work of others because he thinks it makes him look superior :1orglaugh

Some of the biggest hater/trolls on this board are producers. Instead of just posting their work and letting it speak for itself, they choose to act like idiots by publicly degrade the work of others. Fucking losers....

You don't have to wait long for Damian to show how little he knows.

Which ones were shot by me, or Eva, or one of our staff or another shooter?

Can't believe you were so dumb as to be caught out by the same thing twice.


Lolsome.

We must listen to this man. He speaks from authority.

Owning a chain of porn shops in Australia which employs 300 people, Melbourne's most popular brothel, a string of blogs all hand written by his scribe in England which his Filipino wordpress people keep the back ends up to date and domain manager keeps the domains renewed, an adult website script, a hosting company, ran Australia's biggest selling semi adult magazine called Pix, runs an electricity comparison service, owns a franchise chain of juice shops and finds time to troll me with his knowledge and insight.

Online adult is something he just keeps a toe in, he owns all this, outsources everything and posts online as the front man.

We had a wonderful chat on ICQ, where he put me straight about all his companies and how great he is. Wonderful man. :thumbsup

Edit.
Forgot to mention, we sold to Pix years ago. Sadly was never lucky enough to meet this great man. Yes they were buying our crap pictures. :thumbsup

It is up to him whether he cares or not. He posts that his films are great, that he only does the best work.

I took him at his word and bought his very expensive DVD. More expensive than any Hollywood Blu Ray $45.

Now it is poorly shot, poorly edited, badly directed. I think that I have the right to voice that opinion.

We put samples of our work up here from time to time and people don't hold back. I don't say its great or I am the best, but I do point out we do certain things others don't . ( like involve the models in what they do and with whom, write scripts and other strange things ) the results we leave for others to judge.

You rush to Max's defense, have you paid $45 and taken the time to watch this film?

Do you think it is well made?

I have offered to help Max, 1st he can return the favor and look at a couple of our films, then we could e-mail each other.

Thank you for that. Paul can't even be bothered to learn how to spell or write properly in his native English language even when others hit him over the head with his mistakes repeatedly. There's no chance he could adapt or learn how to shoot porn that sells in 2012.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

If you "really" wanted to help Max and if your heart was in the right place, you would have done what anybody with any common sense would have done. You would have gotten his email address from his sig and sent him a private email. Who knows, he may have been open to your critiques and even offered to refund your money :thumbsup

But instead of acting like you have any common sense, you act like a complete dumbass. Trashing his work in public and then offering to help him. :1orglaugh

You know as well as I do that this isn't about $45. This is about your need to trash the work of others in an effort to make yourself look & feel important, relevant and successful. The problem here is that you only make yourself look like a hater and a complete idiot. Congratulations!!!

I'm going to put your stupid ass on ignore now because like Max, I'm not interested in reading anything that you have to say :thumbsup

Nothing screams "better selling porn" than sets like this one (courtesy of Paul Markham Photography)

http://i47.tinypic.com/wtixp5.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2vmvjp4.jpg

Spelling and grammar is now a requisite of shooting porn.

This is true about learning to adapt to selling porn in 2012. I never could figure out how to shoot such cheap porn, well figure out why I should shoot it.

Seriously can you tell us what's so different in today's porn world that has changed it so radically. Because I see the same thing getting a dick hard 10 years ago getting a dick hard today. Now with a lot of sites moving into the "glam" level I see so much similar to 1990 it's clear little has changed.

Is what Max is shooting so different from what was shot for years?

Maybe a sample of your version of today's new style will be the best way to illustrate it.

So you have your idea and written a script or plan, even Ex Gf needs this. so let's write a few words on that.

Shooting 100s of girls into a mirror, get's boring after a while. Also this content is every where, often free and no better than anything else.

So decide what your Ex Gf content will be like, like everyone else buying off FB for pennies, or something better and different, without leaving the niche. 2 girls fooling around in a bath and the GF giving the cameraman a BJ and fucking, then the other girl filming it, is an excellent idea. Needs to be kept real so getting couples with another new girl to do this is a good way forward.

Filming in the forest, in a car, a couple in a bath, a girl setting a camera on a tripod and doing a scene for her BF in the forces fighting over seas, or her and a girl doing a scene, 2 girls filming each other. 2 guys filming a girl then taking turns to fuck her, filming on a bus, train, plane, etc.

Yes get the self shot FB content as well which will be the bulk of the site. Just when you find the right girls or couples who can pull this off, discuss it with them for them to go out and shoot it, then send it with the documents for your payment. No need for a professional to shoot it and beyond giving them a rough plan the shooter needs to tell them to come up with an idea. The key is getting it to look real.

Not strictly in the narrow blinkered confines of what webmasters think of Ex Gf. As I've said this is about better selling porn and that needs to be outside this narrow confines so the buyers see a reason to join the site containing the scenes. Keep the "FB" content coming in and this is the "casting" material from which the site owner selects the right models to shoot a selection of scenes for a better price.

Let each girl or couple shoot it their way, emphasise then having fun is the most important thing, their personalities coming over and keeping it different. How about a guy shooting his GF giving him a BJ without her knowing it's being filmed. Voyeur Ex Gf. :thumbsup

Play with ideas within the niche.


So no need for an old timer like me to adapt to shooting it. :1orglaugh

And please make sure the spelling and grammar is correct in your plan. Otherwise it will never get a viewers dick hard. :1orglaugh

Yes give an amateur girl a script so it doesn't end up being realistic exgf content. Brilliant plan.

You tell them to do what they usually do on their webcam. You're too old and removed from the biz to know this Paul, but lots of people have cam2cam and know what to do.

That's awesome that Paul was able to find a girl with similar teeth as him.

You do not understand EXGF content AT ALL.

The point of mirror shots is because it's REALISTIC, MOST girls on Facebook and Myspace have a good portion of their profile pictures taken in their bathrooms or infront of their mirrors so when you have that in EXGF content, it gives the surfer an illusion that their favorite crush is taking nude profile pictures in front of their mirror instead of just being clothed. Nowadays when teens who like each other are texting each other and get horny, they'll send quick pictures of their pussies, boobs, dicks, whatever via cellphone and get each other all worked up. So seeing stuff like that online is perfect for surfers of EXGF content...they want to feel like they could actually FUCK the girl in those pictures or that girl looks like someone that sits next to them in the classroom.

They don't care it's the same mirror shot, thats what a lot of girls on facebook and other sites actually do, take mirror shot after mirror shot of themselves, so the surfer would love it if they were actually NUDE in those shots!

In high school and college, girls who send nudes to the guys they like, take them in the bathroom or bedroom mirror or on their bed so this is what a lot of EXGF surfers want to see. It's the generation of facebook, myspace, and social networking that dictate this content. Taking pictures/filming on buses and trains for EXGF content? Are you kidding me? That would pretty much just be regular amateur teen content.

This is not public, this is a forum for people of similar interests. The forum where Max Candy advertised his film, telling us how great it is.

I took the trouble and was interested enough to buy and watch it.

Did you?

Do you think it was good?

Easy to win arguments if you can decide my motivations and how other people read them.

Interesting that people who say they are interested in photography or video making do anything to avoid any discussion of it.

I understand that people lack knowledge, understanding or culture but why they don't want to learn I don't get.

I suppose thats why they work in porn.

Little has changed in Man's human nature for 100,000s of years. what got him erect in the Stone Ages, gets him hard today. Yes fashions and technology has changed and we can keep up with that. what we don't need to change is the essence of porn.

It's the illusion and passion that sells a better porn scene. It did in 1989 and it does today. getting a performance out of models that makes them believe the sex is for real, is the difference between good and bad porn.

So how to ensure models deliver the performance?

They are like everyone else, they respond to a "Velvet Glove" approach. The shooter or/and director should greet them when they arrive, give them a drink, tell them what's happening, have all the necessary items ready, sit down and explain what they're required to do. Even in amateur porn this is essential, just shorter explanation. "Fuck your brains out, while I shoot." Will often suffice. :winkwink:

Max needs to take a lot longer to explain than an amateur style shooter. What they both need to do is know how to handle the individual personalities of people. some models need building up, others need taking down. Knowing how to motivate an individual person to produce a good performance is important when running a MacDonalds take away or shooting a porn scene or any other form of management.

Not too soft so they take liberties, not too hard that they feel bullied, not too pervy so they feel you might want a free fuck and not too cold that they feel unappreciated. Even the way a shooter or director relates to his team is important. Don't tell some models that the person shooting you and her clowning around is your wife who will get jealous and with others, let them know it's your wife and a 3some is on the cards.

They all have one thing in common. They're all different people. And you need to know how to manage them to get the best out of them.

It is. Nobody needs to login to read.
His assessment of how other people read what you write was spot on. You are coming across in the same way as a cowboy builder who slags off everybody else's work then builds worse himself.

Thank you Damian. :thumbsup

This seems like a place for an Epic Facepalm, but I am too lazy to look for one

Thanks Paul, this was a really good idea for a thread.

Keep educating.

Same guy, different girl. Fast forward to 4 minutes 30 seconds.

Setting an environment in which a worker can produce their best is essential in all businesses. There's nothing unique about porn that changes this. Having everything models might need ready at the shoot, refreshments, toiletries, rest areas, etc. Will all go towards the shooter looking professional, prepared and in control. Having to apologise to models that you don't have something as simple as toothpaste, mouthwash, or deodorant puts the shooter at a disadvantage.

Making sure that it's not freezing cold or baking hot, etc also helps.

Setting out the days work, order it will run in, what is required of models, wardrobe, etc also essential and again puts the shooter in command without seeming domineering.

You need the best out of them and these are the little things that will get this.

Sounds very simple, yet models who had worked elsewhere were turning up at our shoots amazed we had everything prepared. Or turning up at castings and surprised we explained things so clearly.

All it takes is a little bit of forethought and planning to get this right.

Paul deserves an iPad for this thread. Imagine if he could do his jigsaws on an iPad.

But Max, seriously... Doesn't that apply to everyone? I mean, I dont see you posting that your latest film is shit, or PM saying his latest scene for Manwin is shit, or anyone else for that matter saying that the latest stuff they shot was shit?

I mean, (lets be utterly honest?) It's self promotion... No?

OK, you may not like it, but thats your personal pref... However, you personal pref is SUBJECTIVE...

TBH, I dont really follow your argument, when you look at the bigger picture?

:upsidedow

Of course, but if you say "My films are great"

Don't we have the right, after watching them, to say " No, they are not" ?

I did say it wasn't as good as I would of liked. Due to my health and being out of action. :1orglaugh

Never ever had any illusions about my work. It's nothing compared to SGS, DDF, Viv Thomas or Ben Dover. There are many better pornographers than me. This thread obviously isn't for them.

That's what I say about your work, so why do you get so upset? I even point out the flaws in the work and you just come back with crap. I even point out when you shoot something good, like the scene you recently posted.

So here's more advice, you may profit from.

It's essential models know what they have to do and why, what you are both setting out to achieve. Then letting them get on with it. Professional trained actors can stop and start, untrained porn or glamor models can't. They need to be allowed to do the scene without the constant stopping and starting.

So if shooting something that requires edit cuts, don't stop the models to get them. Either shoot the whole thing with two camera men or at the end shoot the cuts you need. Close ups especially are best shot after the scene is done.

Imagine having sex with someone or just jerking off and someone stopping and starting you every few minutes. It won't take long before all the intensity is lost and you're just going through the motions.

Remember this when writing the script or plan for the actual sex action part.

Hmm.. so when filming something, those people being filmed need some sort of "direction"? I wonder if anyone thats ever shot anything on film has even heard of or tried this new concept of "directing"?

Can't wait until Hollywood gets wind of this revolutionary new concept to see what they do with it.

I don't care what any of you say, Paul Markham is a genius.

I'm sure Hollywood and good shooters don't need the advice. Looking at porn scenes where models are not directed properly and just doing the same thing they have done time and time again, some do need advice.

I will write more about what advice to give.

Thanks for the bump.

If only others shared your own opinion of yourself and your work. Then you'd have an audience beyond those who are either amused by your dementia or your desperate attempt to reconcile your gargantuan "i know it all" ego with your total failure in adult and forced retirement.

:2 cents:

Squealer has come up with a very good point. So let's address it. Hollywood directors and some online guys don't need any lessons from me. They've served an apprenticeship or learned by trial and error, or simply have a natural raw talent that sets them apart.

So for those who need it, here's some ideas. To shooting better selling porn by better directing a model.

Some models blossom in front of a camera, most don't. It's a machine and models are rarely impressed by them. So shooters should emphasise themselves onto the model in a positive way and while shooting get models to work for them and for their own pleasure. Absolutely essential for solo work, less so for couples scenes, the, couples should be concentrating on each other, while enjoying themselves and aware of the shooter by putting on a show for him to watch.

Unless Gonzo, the shooter's not in the scene and should STFU.

The whole shoot location should be concentrating on the actual shoot. no one wandering around, talking, phones ringing, etc. The whole location has to be in a bubble, unless out door in public, so the models and shooter can get on with their jobs. Sounds so basic, yet I've heard people talking in the background, doors slamming, etc. not totally innocent of this myself. When I was shooting in London phones ringing could be a problem and the door bell, but no one spoke and otherwise silence was the order.

Knowing exactly what you're doing, knowing what the model can do, and knowing the niche is essential.

Sponsors have to pass a lot of the responsibility of scene building over to the shooter. This is for those sponsors who have custom shooters who are not an integral part of the company. If the shooter can't deliver the right product, don't use him. The sponsor has the site, his vision of what it should be selling and the type of consumer they're aiming at. Then it's the shooters jobs to find the models who can deliver the scenes and fit each scene to them.

Giving a shooter a list of clothes and instructions like, she rubs her boobs, ass and pussy, plus get lots of close ups. Is dumb. It's like telling the shooter to turn on the lights.

Also selecting or submitting a model for a video site is dumber. We sell videos. while she might look stunning in photos, she might be shit at video. Or the other way around. Members rarely join, retain or jerk off to pictures. Which is why so many watch surfers are on Pornhub and not of The Hun. When a model turns up for a casting a shooter will get a good idea of their personality, still a little video gives a far better idea.

Hollywood doesn't cast actors on pictures, they have casting tapes. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for us. Ask Squealer. :winkwink:

Hey Cherry7 :thumbsup

Yes, you have every right in the world to voice your opinion.

Its just that I kinda feel (As someone with 'No dog in this fight' and just reading the thread) that as opposed to 'Voicing your opinion' you are using your opinion to beat the guy round the head...

But anyhoo - Peace :thumbsup

:2 cents:I agree, and I think that neither Cherry (man pretending to be a woman pretending to make erotic art films that are strangely unerotic from what I have seen) and Paul (man pretending to be an authority on everything pretending that he is retired and living off the continued proceeds of his now bargain basement content featuring models whose grandchildren are probably now old enough to shoot) should really be throwing quite so many stones considering they appear to both live in glass houses...... :2 cents:

But Squealer is right.... most views come from people (like me) who view a thread like this as a car crash that you can't go by without looking at.

Never claimed to be an expert on everything, never claimed to be a great shooter nor claimed to be living off the proceeds of BBCS, just that the sales add to the money we have. So where did you get this from?

Squealer doesn't shoot and thinks bringing Russian webcam models to Czech for a few cheap sets is a good idea.

Still, you're welcome to voice your opinion. Can you show us samples of your porn work please. CS I've seen his work and it does capture what he wants and needs.

So many non shooters and sponsors voicing an opinion here, like they have a clue what I'm writing about. :1orglaugh

It's like me giving advice on PHP or SEO. :upsidedow

So back to the thread.

Assuming he's not the shooter or already very good. What input should a sponsor have on creating the content?

The sponsor knows who the site is aimed at, what his market will be, the edge that will make it better than other sites doing the same. So don't just ask for 40 solo girls scenes for a solo girl site. Like so many.

Select the right girl based on what she looks like, done and can do. Then sponsor and shooter formulate how to make the site more than just 40 videos of her stripping ad masturbating. Not because it won't sell. Because it won't sell better than other sites. Might need her to do live cams, tweet, work exclusive, and more. In fact the more the better to make it sell better.

This can be done in all niches and sites. The only thing stopping people is profit and loss. So has to be looked at closely, if you can elevate budgets above others and do it right. you separate yourself from the pack. Ex Gf is I hear the cheapest to get and people can pick it up off FB for peanuts. So can everyone else.

Move it up into tailored Ex Gf to a theme, style, action. Or just like the girls in the bath scene and other amateur on FB will come to you, deserting those who can't up their budget and when surfers hit a site with better content on, it sells better. No need to tell you about the Met Art level of porn, but the same rule applies and will apply to this niches very soon.

Simply because the more sites on offer to the devotees of this porn, the more they will go to the best sites available. This also goes for every other niches and we all know sites that just convert/retain better.

I don't get upset by what you write, because you are interested in porn and you are honest and open enough to show what you do to everyone.

I see that it is not what we want to do, so the fact you don't like what we do is reassuring.

Then fine. now Start realising what I've done for the last 3 decades and why it sold then and will sell today.

As you progress and pick up more experience, you'll progress like everyone else. You have, as it shows in your last scene.