Everything is so backwards in this country now.

It used to be normal to stand up for our constitution and want to protect our liberties... now you're labeled as some sort of weirdo conspiracy theorist whackjob if you believe in those things....

Sad times indeed.

I like Ron Paul i hope he runs even if he does not get the republican nomination

Those are a couple reasons, but you missed the big one: MONEY.

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Tragic, but true.


This is true as well. In today's America, honest, honorable men like Paul get marginalized and all we're left with are whores/frontmen for the huge money interests (i.e. Obamney/Rombama) that get them elected.

Even though I don't agree with enough of his platform to be fully behind him, I may well vote for him for one core reason: he's the only honest, non-whore politician on the national stage. I have no illusions about his electability, but contrary to conventional un-wisdom, a vote cast from your conscience and beliefs is never wasted.

Ron Paul is the only stand up candidate, I hope he wins. He's got my vote.

another is apathy. If everyone that complained that they had to choose between the lesser of two evils would vote for a 3rd party candidate we would have a 3rd party. But instead everyone complains and then they either don't vote or they pick what they think is the lesser of two evils.

As for money, you can get that over time. If you start small and run candidates in local elections that aren't as expensive you can gain access and power without spending much money. It wouldn't be easy, but it could be done.

I believe it is Algeria that had their first elections in 60 years today. 44 different parties. We have at least 13, will another 30 do?

No, you need a padded cell.

Or an intentional dumbing down. My aunt is a bleeding-heart liberal, but one thing she's been saying for ages is that when budget cuts happen, kids and education (you know, any country's future) are always among the first to get screwed. And she's right.

Unfortunately, I disagree completely. In this country, virtually the only way for a politican/party to generate the kind of money needed to become a real player is to whore yourself out to the huge money interests.

This is especially true after the Citizens United ruling, which allows any person/organization to donate an unlimited amount of money to a candidate's (or any ballot initiative's) Super PAC.

For some perspective: Newt Gingrich's sugar daddy Sheldon Adelson donated $16.5 Million to Gingrich's super PAC. It would take 330,000 mere mortals donating $50 each to equal that amount.

I have to admit, your comment made me stop and think. Was I calling someone a retard for backing Ron Paul? I guess it could be perceived by some that this is what I meant and for that I truly apologize. I am not sure a retard would even know who Ron Paul is. When I use the phrase Paultard it is more addressing the fanatics that do not know when to figure out another way. A Paultard is someone that only wants him to run for the discord. He is not going to get the Republican nod, so if you want to make a Libertarian statement, have him run as a Libertarian.

With you on that, BD. This douche Johnny Clips is the kind of guy who gives most of us who reject the 'official story' a bad name.



ps. hey, long time. hope you've been doing well

Long time no see; hope all is well.

Anyway, I have to respectfully disagree. Why does this country have to be different than the rest of the world? Political parties seem to be based primarily on where you live in a lot of places. So you have people like the Tea Party getting their fingers in little spots and the next thing you know you have this religious fanatics running your life. The key; grass roots, grow.

You are right, it will (or can) not happen overnight, but I doubt the Whips went out overnight either. :2 cents: :)

No one takes him seriously, Doing good, no complaints. You?

Nailed it, except I am drinking a CA white blend.

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What are you talking about? Hiroshima and Nagasaki are but one example of violence working; and the Burma-Siam railway is the first thing that pops to mind as far as forcing people to work at gunpoint. That obviously works.

You have any real world examples to back your theories?

JohnnyClips = ah, never mind

Obama and Bush, two different parties... Exactly the same!

Both are for war (even though Obama has said no many times... we are still there years later under his presidency), both are fucking morons although Obama is a better public speaker.

What is the fucking difference between the two...? oh yeah.. ones black! Doh! :error

I don't even see the point in voting between the republican and democrat fucktards they put up for election.

They debate gay marriage all fucking day now but its really not important! If the government stayed out of marriage in the first place, everyone could be happy and we could discuss real issues.

Sorry I am drunk and I am ranting! :)

Why haven't you moved yet? Is there anywhere you know of that is tax free and has no laws? Not that it matters.

Actually, Obama only said he would get out of Iraq; he actually said he was going to increase Afghanistan. The thing is, I thought that was to get OBL. Mission accomplished, well done. Why another 10 years?

Where is that happening . . . not counting the middle east and possibly portions of Africa and eastern Europe? In the USA, where is it okay "to use violence against you because of your beliefs?"

No rush, think this one out. I'll be back; the dogs want to go for a walk.

I hear what you're saying about the Tea Party, but imo the tp isn't a credible example for your point. If you follow the money, it's very easy to see that the Tea Party is anything but a grassroots movement.

I asked you to give it some thought and that is the best you can come up with? For the record, I have smoked marijuana on several occasions in the last 40 some years and not once has violence been used against me. One more time, do you have any real, verifiable examples to back up your claims?

It is grass roots in that they are getting their claws in flyover states, in the small towns and villages.

And yes, it has been a very long time since I took American History/Civics; and my good friend DTK was kind enough to point out that it was the Whigs, not whips.

Thank you.:thumbsup

The citizen's united ruling did do major damage to this countries political process; It may have done damage that could be irreversible.

I still think candidates can raise money for state and local elections on their own. However, like you say, if you start getting up into the big areas you will need big money. You could always argue that this 3rd party would likely draw rich backers just like the other two, but then it likely wouldn't be any better, or really different than the other two so it ends up being a catch 22 kind of situation.

You are correct about how schooling and kids tend to be the first things cut. My buddy is a cop in a small town that just found out the previous administration was basically cooking the books. The city thought it was about $150K in debt when in reality they are $2.5 million in debt. The very first thing they did was fire three cops, cut the fire budget and close a senior center that feeds 75-100 low income seniors every day and provides many services to others. They were also planning on investing in the grade school which is old and in desperate need of repair not to mention new books. That is now not happening.

He was livid because the city hall still has 20 people working for it. At least six of those people were given jobs by the former city administrator because they were his friends. They have no job description and do nothing but busy work. they are useless and serve no purpose, but they cut other vital things before firing them. It is a crazy how some of our leaders think.

That's certainly true, we're just talking about grass roots differently. To me, a 'grass roots' movement is one driven/guided and (more importantly) funded by regular ol' folks. I was just saying from that perspective, the TP doesn't qualify.


Let's not forget the Federlineists or whatever they were called :winkwink:

So it's stupid to back someone that is not likely to win? Just give in to the lesser of the evils? Sorry but no thanks.

I don't like getting into this political stuff because I don't know the first thing about politics and hardly know what a Libertarian is because it's a waste of time paying attention to all of that IMO, all I know is the guy seems very honest and straight forward and at the least that is what I personally would like to see in a leader of this country. It's not like any of his supposedly insane ideas would ever pass, so what is the big deal? At least the man tells it like it is and can dumb down his speech for people like me who don't give a damn about politics.

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Good points and example, though even local elections cost some serious coin.

Citizens United is an embarrassingly under-reported story. It effectively changed our form of government.

Johnny your child like ignorance and stupidty might have been amusing at first but now it's just sad. Your lack of education and world experience shows through in spades in each and every post you make.

1000's of years of human history has shown we are a violent species. When left to our own we don't form small groups and live together in peace helping each other out waiting for aliens to bring us technology. The strong completely dominate the weak. Ideas aren't nurtured and we don't advance as a species. There's countless examples of this in our history.

There's no debate or argument to be had. Without a central goverment we are not a less violent species we are a much more violent one. You can see examples of this in history, notably the fall of the Roman Empire and the descent in to the Dark Ages. This is not the only example from history but it's an abundantly clear one that even the least educated among us (you) should be able to understand. You can still see clear examples today in tribal Africa, the Flavellas of Brazil or any slum anywhere in the World.

While it's probably too late for you to get any formal education there is still good news. There's plenty of time left for you to save your pennies and go out in to the World and actually gain some real experience. Don't just sit at home spouting off ridiculous ideas on the Internet. I promise you your ideal World is not going to come to pass and even if it did it would be in no way like you believe it would be. You wouldn't have the freedom to sit around saying stupid shit because somebody would just crush you in to dust.

Grow up already.

Well, with the definition I would have to agree it is pretty difficult. It could still happen; it would just take longer and a couple martyrs.


I was trying to limit it to successful parties and I think they only had one president. But then there was the democrat-republicans or republican-democrats that we started off with. :)

No, it is stupid to throw good money after bad. I guess you have missed the comments by the Ron Paul supporters here and elsewhere that have come out and said that it does not matter how old Paul is (unlike McCain, who is younger); or who his running mate is; or anything else because they do not actually expect (or want?) him to win; they just want him to make a statement. Yes, that is stupid. If you want to make a statement for the Libertarian party, run as a libertarian. I might have a little respect for him then. As it stands, his only goal is to ensure we have Obama again. And that is very stupid.

The best politician is the best liar. I guess I can understand why you like him. He has lied the best to you. Like Obama lied the best to most GFYers (and Americans that voted).

Yes Johnny, you're just proving my point. When the Roman Empire falls, the World is plundged in to the Dark Ages. No goverment and the human species basically goes backwards for hundreds of years.

Johnny, seriously get out and travel. See the World, learn something. It'll make a huge difference in your life. It's not like you could get any more stupid.

one scientific fact of history needs to be remembered here and that is a sphincter commonly referred to as an asshole does not have the ability to reason.

Its primary function is to be used as a conduit for the transfer and disposal of impacted fecal matter also known as bull shit.

The lines of demarcation could not be any more clear... the supporters of Ron Paul truth, integrity fairness, peace, brotherhood amongst men etc... are in an epic battle with the bank worshipers and authoritative syncophants who feel you should be caged,shot, beaten because of your dissent with their supreme knowledge and sum total of understanding of all ideas in the known universe.

Only the strong survive, strong dominate the weak, I am superior because I have traveled around the world, I know everything and how dare you disagree with me...you are a stuipid fucking embecile for disagreeing with me who should not be allowed to procreate...

no different then a slimy chicken fucking banker who feels because he is shameless and cunning enough to defraud you and steal from you, that he is somehow superior in the gene pool...its a real mental disorder and to stoop to their level and suggest they be caged like an animal for disagreeing with them would make you .... an ignoramous like them...got it?

Awww look all the crazies are joining forces to spread their brand of stupidity through the World. Well maybe not the World but certainly their hometowns!

Do you have even one example to back up any of these theories you come up with?

Actually, as a person that has been deeply involved in several congressional campaigns, I have to disagree with you here. The true reason is that the Dem's and Republicans have total control over the distribution of money, media access, and infrastructure in the campaign process, not only to the exclusion of any other party but also potential candidates WITHIN the parties. Ron Paul is running as a Republican because its the only way he can be part of the process at all. Money and media control politics, and the Dems and Reps have written the rules so that NO ONE else has access to either.



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I'm willing to contribute to the Ron Paul campaign for the 2016 elections. Here's a free slogan you guys can use to support him!

Ron Paul 2016: Still not going to be President.

You "study philosophy" yet you can not even understand and answer a simple question?


Denial. I could have sworn that a few months ago I was listening to the GFY Paul fan bois saying that Ron Paul raises more money than any other candidate. I guess you are suggesting that the two party system is the only one that works.

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Because they have all the guns, money, power and legal authority to rule over anyone they choose. :upsidedow

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Ron Paul is very consistant and the only candidate that has a shot at helping America restore the constitution. Mitt Romney is nothing more than a sharp politician. Its time for the US to move forward and focus on what matters most (economy)- The only way to succeed is allow people to spend and that only happens through breaks and less government. I have watched all the debates and followed this closely and im sick of hearing about the moon, gay marriage, and the war on terror. Paul has NOT ONCE peeled away from focusing on whats going on inside US borders, and the economy. He simply laughs at some of the questions because they are stupid and not important at this stage in the game. Im a canadian and have been wanting to move to the US for awhile. my kids are american and so is my wife so im not knocking the US (for the record) but somethings got to give and its time to stop watching CNN and fox news and to form an opinion that stems from the bill of rights and the freedom for all.

The problem is you say that like it's a good thing... if anything you should be pissed off like the rest of us that Americans are still too fucking stupid to wake up and vote for someone who isn't part of the status quo that is killing our country...

All these idiots are like "Fuck yea! The one guy who actually cares about us and our constitution has no chance at winning! Awesome!"

I bet most of you fools cheer for the villians in movies too... "Fuck that good guy, I want the evil crooks to win!" lol

Starting a Ron Paul thread on GFY is like blowing a silent tard whistle.

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This is all true, and like i said above, the Citizens United ruling simply made that official. The shift from a democracy to a plutocracy is now a done deal.

That is not true at all. You don't need BIG government. You may not also need the current definition of a government. But you need a government. There is a difference. Without some form of government, even on a local level, you would have chaos and anarchy in a matter of days, if not hours.