Fucking greed makes the bottom think the top should pay more for something than the bottom does.
A loaf of bread costs each of us the same.
Public services come free for the rabble but the rich a forced to pay millions for it.

Fucking greedy, unable, rabble

ZUCKER-BERG (SUCKER means... well, we all know that it means and BERG means MOUNTAIN in GERMAN).. So ZUCKER-BEERG STOLE the idea of facebook to the brazilian guy...

The brazilian gazillian guy was the creator of facebook.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Seriously? you are thick. and I hate taxes.

"Saverin moved to the U.S. in 1992, and became a citizen in 1998 his spokesman said..." Tax rates weren't so different little over a decade ago, didn't bother him then did it.

Still to this day it is impossible for a google or a facebook to emerge outside the US? Why do you think that is. Let me give you a hint... it isn't just about roads or natural resources.

Um he deserves to leave. He is smart, wealthy and does not want to pay for greedy losers in America who do not want to work.

He's 30 years old now. Meaning he moved to the U.S. when he was 10 or 11 years old. Got his citizenship 6 years later as a teenager. How many kids do you know who are worrying about tax rates at that age?

Hmmm, I guess he'd rather be a citizen of Singapore than pay 1 billion dollars in taxes (30% capital gains tax.)

Doesn't make it much better.

His wealthy parents brought him to the US for added security. "His family moved to Miami to find a safer place to live". Take advantage of the added security others people taxes paid for, then fuck off when you don't need it anymore.

Personally I am actually dead against citizenship-based taxes. But in this case, it's American sourced funds, from an American company, by a guy whose family voluntarily brought him to the US for what it has to offer, it is just pushing it.

It's called "globalization" and "free market competition". The more the US tries to fight it, the more they shoot themselves in the foot and risk alienating additional great minds and make them move elsewhere. Yes, the US is still the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I'd put money on that no longer being the case in a decade or two.

Goldman Sachs leading the sale... LMFAO... The Queens of Pump and Dump - no wonder KTLA is encouraging people to buy buy buy FB stock. lol.

Goldman Sachs rules the world.

If everyone who made it big left the states and didn't pay taxes the country would be doomed. the same country he made his fortune from. i'd like to see the facebook guy try and repeat his success in india or china. it just wouldn't happen. the average joes of the world make or break businesses like this and while they don't pay the kind of taxes the guys at the top would, without them there would be no fortune to be had.

His success in what? Do you even know who the guy is that's being discussed? He didn't do anything or create anything, I believe he just provided initial funding. He is actually a very bright guy that was making piles of money while studying at Harvard with stocks. Bright people are going to be bright and flourish anywhere in the world.

Success in India or China? You live under a rock? Those places are filled with billionaires making billions.

If the US wants to keep capital and investors in the country, then the US needs to create favorable business and tax conditions/laws for that to happen, not more absurd laws and increased taxes.

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I find totally bizarre that on a board which is supposedly filled with entrepreneurs who are trying to make money for themselves, the idea that someone would become rich by coming up with a great idea would be "disgusting". When I was growing up I thought that people that did that were "inspirational" and I wanted to be like them. Now the fact that they will still NE rich after taxes is "disgusting"??? Why the hell are you running your own business for, so you can be poor? So you can be working class? If that is your goal and being rich would be disgusting then perhaps you should just play it say and get a job as a landscaper for the local municipality....

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Ok, so a guy living in a dirt shack in some third world country is going to be just as successful as trust fund kid with money to burn? yeah right. regardless of what the guy did i am not just talking about him but everyone who gets rich selling products or services to americans. even the billionaires in india and china are largely rich due to selling products to other countries and even the ones that do sell to their own people, the only way they are able to pay for it is because they have jobs that export products to north america.

Probably not anymore than a drunk hillbilly in Kentucky is going to be successful.

Facebook is hardly "american". It's global

93.452% of all facts are made up on the spot.

You're clearly a well traveled man of the world with a strong grasp on macro economics and global economies. How many Russian products have you bought this week? None? This month? None? This year? None again? Really? That just doesn't make sense.

i think its digusting that these guys are so greedy they can't standing losing a portion to taxes, not that they have been very successful, just that they are turning their backs on the very culture/country that made it possible. you wouldn't find me moving to some semi third world nation leaving behind friends family and all that i love about my country just to save some money that i will most likely never use or need. everyone wants to be successful but no one wants to follow the rules once they are. its like skipping out on the bill after eating a nice expensive dinner. a dick move. hey i'd like to pay less or no taxes too but its just not reality. and despite to pieces of shit at the bottom that so many people love to look down on, without those pieces of shit you got no one buying your products or using your services. the average shitbags out there are the ones driving consumerism.

the rich are leaving a sinking ship dont you see it, US is going down the drain.

Moving wealth to asia is a a good option for the future

Wow wow wow !!!

I errr ummmm just wow!

Are you serious with that insanely ignorant statement?

It is depressing to read statements like that, makes me wonder if there are actually that many rocks for people to live under.

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Singapore is a 'semi third world nation' ? LOLOLOL!!

Have you got any idea how much tax he has paid over the last few years already? You couldn't even begin to dream about that amount.

He's paid much, much more tax than he has every costed the US. Can you say the same?

wow wow wow LOL LOL LOL are you so fucking retarded thats all you can say? why not prove me wrong.

Singapore is more developed country then US is.

Its one of those countries where if you've got, you've got lots and if you don't, you have nothing. Not to mention its a dictatorship country. Regardless, I was talking about one specific country. There are a number of countries people flee to to avoid taxes.

Some comments made me go Har har har!

The media made it to appear like he wanted to avoid paying taxes, but in actual fact, he told me he just fell in love with the chicken rice and chili crab :thumbsup

Hard to explain to the poor and uneducated the complexities of wealth creation and economics - but I'll try to dumb it down.

He funds the creation of Facebook

Facebook employs 300-ish people

Facebook has created depending on how you attribute them, probably well in excess of 100,000 jobs. Meaning zynga and their employees, their vendors and contractors.

Meaning every maker of Facebook apps that killed it and their contractors an vendors.

Meaning everyone that crushed it with spending over $1,000,000,000.00+ USD on facebook advertising per year and grew their business and hired more people

Meaning all the companies the embraced the worlds number one social media platform, used it well and grew their companies to employ more people etc etc etc

Facebook has certainly brought billions into the US economy thanks to Mr Saverin. But that's not enough for you tards right? He still owes you?

In spite of such obvious facts, the poor and uneducated would like to tell him to how much more he owes the State. That's a very creepy, Stalinist/Leninist, Maoist, Marxist, dictatorial attitude that has failed very nation who fully embraced that thinking. Even china abandoned that idiocy and it's insane that Americans would embrace it. We have no debt to the state other than embracing and defending the ideals on which it was founded and most don't even do that unless they're newly immigrated in which case their usually just to busy out working all you far, lazy fucks to think about it.

How about this... How about we start trying to create conditions conducive to creating the next Facebook rather than chasing money and citizens out of the country. At the end of the day, your petty "you owe me" attitude is going to be the reason the US loses economically to smaller and developing nations who are trying grow by creating a climate for growth, a climate to attract bright people and a climate that attracts wealth.

You're trying to correct a poor uneducated American fool who hasn't been more than a few miles from his front door but feels he's got a solid grasp on global issues even down to a country by country, city by city level.

keep regurgitating the bs you've been told and over and over again and maybe eventually you'll believe it. how many jobs did facebook kill? i'm sure many were lost at myspace, hi5, etc, etc. anyways, just for the record i think income taxes should be done away with and instead have a higher sales taxes but in the meantime while facebook may be global, americans made it popular and there are probably more americans on facebook than anything else. oh, i am not american.

typical poor man speaking

since when is harvard free and paid by US tax payers?

if you could you would do the same, if you had $$$

beside philliphones

Regurgitating what? Name one single myspace app that became a multi billion dollar company and generated billions in revenue. Oh... right. Sorry, there are none.

There is no comparison to what Facebook has done in the social media space and the wealth they've created. There is not even a close second, so its irrelevant if myspace.com went out of business. They were on their way out of business because of the seizure inducing clusterfuck that site was, before Facebook even went online.

Me too.

Not relevant to anything.

Eastern Canada! Got it.

Ever stop to think that it's not because of taxes?

Perhaps the wealthy who are leaving in record numbers simply see the writing on the wall, that the USA is quickly losing her status as the world superpower that it once was, that the economy is in the shitter with no real recovery coming anytime soon, the USA has turned into a police state that is getting worse, and the actual risk of a currency collapse is growing greater.

Taxes have always been there but people have not renounced their citizenship at the level they are doing now. This makes me believe it is not tax related. The super wealthy are usually a few steps ahead of the masses so perhaps everyone should be taking this more seriously than they are. Perhaps they know something or see something that the rest of America doesn't, or refuses to believe.

Why don't you use google before you make such ignorant comments about other countrys.

Singapore is not a third world country, not even a *semi* third world country.

What makes me laugh is you think just because a country is asian, it is automatically *third world* :1orglaugh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore
"The country has the world's third highest GDP PPP per capita of US$59,936, making Singapore one of the world's wealthiest countries."

Sounds pretty *semi third world* to me :thumbsup

Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, South Korea, Taiwan, parts of China... all anything but 3rd world. Especially Singapore. That may be the most civilized place on earth, and it's BOOMING right now. Very developed. If it wasn't so humid I would live there in a heartbeat.

The taxes on the wealthy were always raised to 77%, 73%, 67%, 95%, etc... throughout our history to pay for Great Depression, World War I, World War II, etc... from the 1930s through to the 1980s until Reagan started lowering it. I don't recall any kind of super wealthy mass exodus during that 60-some odd year period. Do you? Now everyone cries over a 3% suggested raise to pay for the Bush wars like it's equivalent to Hitler, Mussolini, or Communism.

I don't know the history of double taxation but it should be reformed.

Agreed. I have a relative who has lived in Taiwan for ~15 years and been there many times - definitely not 3rd world. Humidity is a killer for me too - however people seem to acclimatise fairly quickly.

Some people can get used to the humidity. I'm not one of them, and I've been in SE Asia for a while. The months where it gets really bad here I usually spend a lot of time indoors.

SE Asia has three seasons: Hot, Hot & Wet, Hot & Humid

I can deal with hot and hot & wet. Hot & humid makes me a little crazy.

So he can break the law? This isn't a debate about tax rates, but rather evasion. Huge difference.

For the record, I am for a flat tax. Whether it's 10% or 30%, if you are poor or rich. Based on consumption. That's not what this thread is about.

no.

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Most of your corporations effectively operate outside the U.S. in pretty well every way imagineable; from their offshore holdings, to the Asian children that actually manufacture the products that we all buy and use.

Why the fuck are you worried about one rich guy? Damn, you have more important things to consider...

If Levi-Stauss manufactured all of their products in the United States you'd more than make up the tax revenue lost from this one single guy. Americans making $8 to $20 an hour will pay a lot more taxes than Chinese school-aged children.

Probably make better pants, too. A pair of top line Levi's cost about $80 last time I bought them. That's about a $60 profit for the store. And don't bullshit me about cutting costs. Its all about profit - same as it is for this Facebook dude.

I don't blame him for bailing, and I hate Facebook.