Whats the big deal?
A gun crazy country, someone gets shot and killed, shouldn't raise many eyebrows really.

He was obviously over powered judging by his screams and cries for help. That kid was going to bet him to death if he didn't shoot him. I feel his actions are justified and I would be surprised if this ever goes to trial

Do we even know if george or trayvon ever said "hey" once to each other? Or "excuse me do you live here" or "fuck off" or any other words? I seriously can't recall if there was any reports of either one speaking to the other at this point..

I just can't see someone turning and jumping someone else because someone else was simply walking behind them, even if it was for a long way. So I'd like to know more before jumping on board somewhere myself.

I think we KNOW he was following because he personally didnt know him, and he said he was fitting the description (black male) of reported burglars. Thats it, right?

So you attack creeps?

just another asshole with a gun who thinks he's a badass and can take the law into his own hands

Hey, I wasn't there, and neither were you. If you want to play judge, jury, and executioner go for it. You are allowed to "say" whatever you like.

Who cares about "half the people here"? Sure as fuck not me. Most of the people "here" are fucking douchebag assholes.

This is such a racially charged issue, no wonder people are so divided on it. Not to mention the fact the media is fueling this incinerator, which in turn inflames people like yourself, who are very quick to rush to judgement.

So yea, it's safe to say a lot of people have an opinion one way or the other, but there are also people out there who would rather know all the facts before flipping the switch or pulling the trigger.

Why else would we be having this discussion? Think about it.

watch out VZ, he's got his eye on you....lol

Sorry my mistake for taking you for someone with a reading comprehension above a grade school level. It certainly won't happen again.

As I asked earlier, how do we know that martin wasn't just easing up after beating georges head and nose when george blew him away? I'm asking the question, not speculating that it's what happened, because the point is we DONT know and we cant know.

To say that he WOULD have killed him IF he wasn't shot is wild speculation.

He may have felt he was going to die. I dont think he even had a concussion though. How close to death do you think he felt to cancel the ambulance which had already been called for him?

Would set a horrible precedent if the case were to say if you feel like you might die but only have a broken nose and some cuts not requiring ambulance, it's ok to shoot someone. IMHO

I would also like to know all the facts. However, facts wont bring a 17 year old kid back to life. Nor will it erase the pain his parents are going through right now.

Who is to blame? i choose the one idiot who brought a handgun to that meeting.

They are supposed to follow...not confront...until the person has left the neighborhood and not call the police unless the person's actions are questionable/suspicious. The Police cannot come out just because there is a stranger walking through your neighborhood...as they do not have the manpower to do so nor a cause to do so.

Just another know it all asshole, shitting out an uninformed opinion

It doesn't matter if he is innocent or not. Public opinion may very well decide his ultimate fate whether he is let out of jail or not. If the courts find him innocent, imagine the shit storm that will be. I certainly wouldn't want to be a juror in this fucking mess. There have all ready been reports of retaliation violence driven by this.

Who is to say "the people" won't feel pressure to convict him for the sole purpose of protecting there own safety? Not to mention just to keep the peace and not start an all out race war?

Really? Sounds like you've got it all figured out.


Ahh gfy, never ceases to amaze me the amount of simpletons that gather here.

I got rid of a house full of drug dealers without shooting them. You came back with a violent retort. Maybe you should think before posting?

I compared your situation to the situation we are talking about. You failed to see that. you instead asked me if I attack creeps.

Ive given you shit before, mostly because I despise the "bro" club. Not that your in it, but I perceive that you would want to be if your not all ready. I was also probably having a shit day.

Maybe I'm wrong about you? Not that you care anyway. lol

It's nice to know there are others that are taking a rational approach to this issue. We may not agree on other things, but thats ok. It would be weak minded to think everyone should.

Maybe you should start a soup kitchen?

Seems more humane then leaving your valuables 'locked' in your house or car free for the taking.

Don't get me wrong, Im not making any judgements or profiling anyone, Im just offering a response taking into consideration your method of thinking.

Oh don't leave us hanging.... please do tell us what your thinking!! lol

I'd guess offhand that the special prosecutor is guarding the info tightly and we could only guess why that would be. (ie: there's no third party leaker from the phone company.. at least not yet)

If I had to guess.. either it's not true at all that she was on the phone, or it is true and they don't want to tip their hand. It would be the only other "witness" during the violence and they may intend it to be explosive evidence contrary to what we have heard so far.

In either case they wouldnt want to leak it.

I think you are on the money when saying "people are what we need them to be AT THE TIME" but to say this is just the way it is in the USA is kind of off. That part is just your "opinion" and may need some reworking.

Again, I want to be careful not to "profile" anyone, but to add to the question baddog asked, when does a kid stop being a kid?

Does it matter if its a 5 year old about to shoot you with a bag of skittles or a 17 year old "kid" about to shoot you with a bag of skittles? Does it matter? If my intent is to shoot you with a bag of skittles, what does my age have to do with it?

I read the same thing Lloyd, I hate these headlines that don't explain shit. When they say "Intermediate" I think.. ok.. 10 feet or more. What's going on there? But apparently experts say that based on the 2 inch by 2 inch stippling that he got from the powder burns, it was somewhere in the 2-4 Inch range.. which doesn't sound like "intermediate" to me.. but maybe its a misnomer. At that range, I wouldn't suspect that Martin was backing off.

Either way its a fucked up situation. Maybe George shouldn't have followed. Maybe Treyvon over-reacted when confronted.. or George's adrenaline got the better of him when Treyvon turned around, we may never know. I just think that the Media should stop playing the "sensationalist" headlines that get everyone speculating based on emotion, and stick to the evidence.

My guess is all we can do is guess at this point. Considering new information is coming out all the time and being relayed to us through the media (sigh)

Despite the evidence or "lack there of" people will still speculate based on emotion and bias.

I agree, it's all speculation right up to basically the end of the 911 call, until the time george zimmerman tells the guy to call 911 after the shooting.

Lets all be honest with ourselves, (impossible to imagine i know, lol) at the end of the day... the law is the law.

Is it frustrating to have people steal your shit? Yes.

Do most police care about protecting your property? Don't make me answer that.

If you are not an officer of the law, you don't have the right to "pursue" someone knowingly and shoot them because they attack you for it. Even if you think they are up to no good and need to be investigated.... and attack you. However, I did mention the word "law"... is it against the law to disregard a 911 operator's orders? As a neighborhood watch captain, you are given some rights to "investigate" suspicious activity. This is what the courts will have to decide and interpret based on the laws that are on the books regarding these questions.

At least your admitting you don't know all the facts. :winkwink:

Wow... I see so many idiots in the world. Let's see, the USA makes the best weapons to win, not to lose. Maybe the US should man up and just go and fight wars with theirs fists ONLY according to your belief system. Germany and Japan would be running the world right now if the US did not drop the FAT BOY.

The point is to not be assaulted, humiliated and disrespected. So yes, blow his teethe through the back of his head! Cops do it everyday, you idiot!

What if one of the drug dealers started beating your ass? What would you have done then?

Let me guess, you would have just taken your ass whooping and called the cops later. LOL

Lmfao!!!!! Hahahahaha wow just wow. You're missing my point you retard. Don't worry I don't expect you to understand genius.

The only thing i regret is letting myself post in this thread, and "Debate".

And that in a nutshell explains the origins of the George Zimmerman's of this world.

Neighborhood Watch's in general and overly aggressive Neighborhood Watch's in particular are the inevitable result of local cops dropping the ball.


The devil is always in the details.

If it went down like you describe, the key question will be whether Travyon's assault on Zimmerman went beyond that necessary to protect himself (Travyon) from his perceived stalker (Zimmerman).

If the answer is no, then Zimmerman goes to jail. Otherwise, Zimmerman walks.


I was under the impression that the 911 operator's instructions fell under the category of advice; not legally binding law. But I could be wrong about that.


Emotions are going to play a huge role in the jury's verdict, they always do in cases like this.

The prosecution is gonna fight to keep anyone who has ever been robbed off of the jury and the defense is gonna fight to keep any victims (real or perceived) of police harassment off of the jury.

In the end it'll probably come down to whomever the jury sees as having been a "nicer" person; Zimmerman or Martin :2 cents:

That moron has bragged about his guns on more than one occasion here. You know full well in the same situation he'd have pulled his gun and fired too.

If he says otherwise, he's a fucking liar.