i'm not a huge fan of how glocks feel but they are cheap so i picked up a G17 to carry in my truck. i can hit the important parts so i'm not concerned about making a big hole.

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If you are afraid to leave home without a gun, you are living in some fucked up criminal place.

Just saying :2 cents:

Why do you say that? It's not about being "afraid", it's about protection. Why have a home security system? Does that mean if you have a security system then you live in a fucked up criminal area?

No, because thieves don't go to shitty areas to steal stuff, they go to the nice areas where people have expensive stuff.

A gun is like a turnakit, you hope you never need one but if you do, you'll need it very badly.

A protection against what? If you don't feel a threat you don't need to think about protection. :2 cents:

I'll try to be more specific. People die because various falling things break their heads (e.g. icicles at winter or bunch of keys accidentally dropped from the 10th floor etc). Do you wear a helmet to protect yourself? You may also be stung by a bee/wasp or bitten by a snake/spider/mad dog etc. Do you have an anti-allergen and ant-dote in your pocket? Etc...

Thus if you don't even consider those other threats, but you always carry a gun, I can suggest that this particular sort of a threat seriously overweights all others in your living/working area.

Just a simple logic. :2 cents:

why does it bother you that some people carry guns? does it bother you when people use other equipment to protect themselves like seat belts? why do some people wear helmets while others don't? it's a choice, whether the threat is real or not. i'd rather have a gun and never need it than need it and not have it.

have you ever heard the expression "it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6". it's not like people are carrying a howitzer around with them. i also carry a can of fix-a-flat and a first aid kit in my truck but i have never used either one so i guess i'm just cluttering up my truck. i've never used my home fire extinguisher either so i'm thinking about getting rid of that to. if i need any of those things in the future i'll just go buy them.

interesting debate, i can see the novelty in collecting "classic" pistols and such but i am also pragmatic and hence only have a few weapons which not only have a practical use but also somewhat of a novelty.
i dont have an AK-47 but to me that would be a nice collector piece, also a browning high power 40sw caliber or a walther p38 9 mil.
i have no desire for a glock whatsoever, its just not appealing to me..

I was not a fan of Glocks for many years. Talked a lot of shit about them actually. These days, I prefer them, especially after I mod them with a decent trigger.

You've got some nice stuff there. The first 1911 I ever purchased was that SS TLE/RLII you have. I traded it for an AR several years back and missed it so much that I bought another. Hands down my favorite 1911 I've ever owned.

I'll see your pic in a pic and raise you a pic in a pic in a pic! :winkwink:

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my favorite gun. i have the HK Tactical with an AWC suppressor. it's the most accurate gun i've ever owned. i wanted the mark 23 but it was a little out of my price range at the time.

After all the gun threads over the years on GFY, I am beginning to think that the haters are simply jealous because they can't pass a simple background check to buy a gun.

I would post more on this topic, but I hear someone rambling around in my garbage cans. Let me grab my 45 from my granddaughter and go check it out. She's only two so I know she's gonna cry when I take it away from her.

fitty............one............. pea shooters ....... damn slow airport connection:mad:

Aaron,

I'm in the market for my first gun, call it self protection.

I know your going to hate this,

but I need something very cheap as I don't have a large budget for this type of thing.

Need something cheap, reliable, and fairly accurate.. I do want it to have some power.

Any suggestions? Total beginner. Not in it for interest, but function.

Solid advice

Indeed,

under $400 and great reviews.

How difficult is it to buy over the internet?

I just sold my last 9mm a few months ago..

moving all to 40sw and 45

Lots of really nice guns posted :)

Check out GunBroker.com for new and used firearms.

Regardless of where you purchase a hand gun it will only be shipped to a licensed (FFL) holder where you can pick it up.

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Got a few questions for you.

1: Will this be a carry weapon or home defense only?

2: Will you be the only person shooting it or will a GF/Wife also use it?

3: If other people than you, how strong are they compared to you? Come to think of it, how strong are you?

4: What State do you live in? (the previously mentioned Taurus is not legal in all States)

5: What kind of capacity are you interested in?

Here's what I keep handy in the house, a shotgun with the basics of a revolver. It's a S&W that shoots .410 000 Buckshot. Also shoots .45's and when loaded with bird shot is great for snakes.


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Link to a better photo and information;

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...2_757992_image

always nice to see somebody on gfy asking the right responsible questions about gun buying. I know you know your stuff, still, it's nice to see a bit of wisdom.

I like the 9mm round. It shoots nicely, it's easy to fire multiple shots with accuracy, commonly available, inexpensive, with a good range of bullets and loads.

The Guvna! Ive always wanted to try out that or the Judge.

Do you keep it loaded with .410?

for that kind of dough id have gotten myself a kimber gold match II or something along those lines....

thats just me though. i've never really been a fan of glocks. don't get me wrong they are good guns. just not my style.

.410 000 Buckshot ...... The pattern breaks up pretty quick at any kind of distance but up close it's something else.

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Not at all. I live in the country where firearms are forbidden (excepting hunting weapons of course). The country where the kids don't brings guns in the school to make a blood, and there ethnic gangs don't shoot each other while driving the car on the crowded streets. Thus I have a very different point of view on firearms and their necessity for civilians.

The non-lethal weapon is another thing, although I'm think that traumatic guns must be seriously limited here as well, because they rather often used to kill.

P.S. I'm not the type of men who don't know how to use firearms and just afraid of 'em. I've been to army and I'm very friendly with standard Russian weapons. Furthermore I was learning the art of gun shooting since I was 11 year old as a pentathlon sportsman (MCM pistol was my first gun :)).

It's pointless owning a firearm if all you do is shoot it at a target and think your hot shit. Oh and show it off on an adult board :2 cents:

That's why I keep waiting for some low life to break into my house.

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hahahahahahas!

you are not making any sense.

a rational person owns a firearm hoping they will never have to use it to kill another person.

they practice with it both for personal pleasure, the mastery of a complex skill, and so that if they ever have to use it to kill someone their training and practice makes it possible for them to do so despite adrenaline shakes and bad lighting and fear for ones life and the lifes of others.

shooting, in case you did not know, is hellacious fun. There are not a lot of things more fun.

I'm not much of a man's man, one of the boys etc, but shooting is a real man's sport. Half the user's on GFY have never had a calous on their hand let alone felt the joy of gunpowder on their teeth after emptying 10 30 round clips from a AR15 into a junk car. That's a big problem with the new generation, they are afraid to get thier hands dirty, it would make texting on their iphone too messy. A lot of these guys here sound like fucking girls, oh no, guns are bad, how could you like something so deadly. Grow some balls, get a shot of testosterone, and take the fucking dress off for a day.

I love your thought process! It's much better to be in an actual life and death situation to find out you're not very proficient or accurate with a weapon. That way the attacker can take your weapon from you while you watch him kill your family with it.

If we could only practice shooting homeless people to get some "real-world" training.

A gun is a tool. Bragging about and showing off guns is as lame as showing off your pimped out hammer.

Speaking of tools...

So is a car, a computer, television, etc. You have no preference in what interests you?

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None of those things are made specifically for injuring or killing other living creatures.

I'm pro gun rights, but waving them around says something very negative about the owner.

Knock down power, wtf? The difference in power between 9/40/45 is irrelevant. Shooter skill will determine outcome much more than the size of a hole.

I wouldn't consider having a discussion about guns on a webmaster board "waving them around".

Most guns owners hope they will never have to use a gun to defend themselves. Even if it's justified, killing someone would be a horrible experience not to mention very expensive.

Most gun fights take place within 7-10 feet so you don't have to be that great of a shot to hit your target but you do have to be comfortable using it to be proficient. Gun owners/collectors like to shoot paper targets because it's challenging so it's something they are proud of.

LOL so dumb

You are wrong. Almost all cops carry a 45 or a 10mm here in central florida for a reason. A 9mm can go right thru a person without that person being wounded seriously. He would flinch but keep coming at you. Hit him with a 45 and he's going to the ground PERIOD.