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eroticsexxx 05-21-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18958001)
The number 1 rules in investing, NEVER invest into something you don't understand.

Meaning, how hard was it to look for similar concepts that failed? GeoCities, myspace, and for you old schoolers, TheGlobe.com. Back the 1990s, TG had 20 million users, only a couple hundred million Internet users back then.

Likewise, perhaps you should avoid making comparisons of FB to mere websites because it's something that you don't completely understand.

FB is a platform, much like Google.

Now some here have not been able to comprehend the difference and thus haughtily regurgitate the repetitive Myspace comparison, but the only thing that such persons are displaying is their lack of awareness regarding what FB really is.

epitome 05-21-2012 06:54 PM

LOL at the people that say it or the company will crash. While $38 was aggressive, FB isn't going anywhere.

In 2010 they had $2 billing EBITA and a $600 million profit (these numbers may be a little off, but close enough)
In 2011 that jumped to $3.7 billion and $1 billion in profits

So in one year they almost doubled their revenue and profit. Keep in mind, their user base was tapping out at that point. They got good at growing revenue and profit.

Their credits system also has nowhere to go but up. 2010 saw $106 million while 2011 jumped to $557 million.

Zuck knows he has to make mobile work. They've done zero to monetize mobile despite it becoming a huge part of their traffic. They will now focus on mobile ... and we all know how lucrative mobile can be.

You're supposed to invest in the stock market for long term. You cannot judge a company by what it stock does from day one to day two. The richest men in the world take long positions in everything for a reason.

There are plenty of investors that aren't sweating right now because they see long term value. The people that view the stock market as short-term gambling are the one's that are sweating.

SomeCreep 05-21-2012 09:34 PM

FB is going to $20 within a year.

FlowerKid 05-21-2012 09:51 PM

FB is just a bubble it will be worth a shit in the long run.

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ilnjscb 05-22-2012 06:24 AM

Pre-trade is 32.77 lets see which way it goes. I'm sure the underwriters will prop it to avoid suits.

DateDoc 05-22-2012 06:35 AM

Looks like they are letting it go - $31.10 now.

DateDoc 05-22-2012 06:45 AM

Back over $32. Some serious buying going on.

Evil Chris 05-22-2012 06:49 AM

People haven't learned from when the dot com bubble burst?

Just send me your money instead. :)

eroticsexxx 05-22-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18958895)
Oh shit, you actually bought FB stock? Lack of a awareness? - Seriously? FB core function is nothing like Google.

Last year Facebook had $3.8 billion in revenue, not profit, just revenue. We don’t know how profitable Facebook was because it was a private company. Let’s pretend Facebook’s future margins are better than Google's 2011 with 27.5%. This would mean they earned $1.045 billion in profit which would imply a P/E ratio of 95.7 and a return slightly over 1% on investment. This would also mean, FB couldn't even keep pace with inflation.

BUT Facebook is a growth investment right? Possibly, but how much growth can possibly be expected with 900 million users already, or to put it another way, nearly half of the 2.3 billion total internet users? Sure the internet will continue to attract new users, but from where? Developing worlds only have limited access to the internet?

Facebook’s main traffic is from dumbfuck Americans now figuring out most of what they write isn't important and your high school buddies don't care. Matter of fact, there's a steady stream dropping because they don't want to be associated with others knowing their lives or be somehow associated with yours.

Anyway, to achieve an 18.31 P/E ratio (like Google) holding the $100 billion valuation constant, Facebook will need to increase their revenues and "hypothetical" net income by more than 500% to $19.86 billion and $5.46 billion respectively. I don’t think it’s realistic that Facebook can increase their revenues and net income by 500% within a reasonable time either through growth in users or through generating significantly more revenue per user.

This was necessary just to justify Facebook’s opening IPO price if you think the company is comparable to Google in its prospects. If Facebook made $1 billion profit with 900 million users that means each year, each user earns Facebook roughly $1.11 on average. We know that to achieve an 18.31 P/E Facebook would need $5.46 billion in earnings, divide that $1.11 formulating the number of users required to generate this income target. That would be 4.92 billion users or, in other words, twice+ the total number of users estimated to be on the internet today.

Even with my piss poor high school math, how could you not see Facebook's future being more analogous to MySpace than to Google? Facebook isn’t an innovator. They’re not branching out into other businesses in a meaningful way, but an outlandish $100 billion valuation? FB is going to be TheGlobe.com x1000 and has NO shot of being anything like Google. WAKE UP!

Those with no vision make themselves quite obvious.

The metrics which you discuss so confidently, such as user base and ad revenue (FB's primary source of income at present), are not applicable to FB's future growth in as meaningful a way as other sites before it. This accounts for why the vast majority of critics of FB simply can't comprehend what actually is happening and thus they bring out the MySpace/<insert website here> comparisons.

At the same time Zuckerberg can't (and shouldn't) release the full dynamics of FB's plans as a platform as yet because he needs to be the first to market with what is about to happen in the coming year. Social networking will be turned effectively on its head and others will attempt to follow suit, but it will be too late.

Most persons in the know actually expected the dip and in some circles it is hoped that the value goes as low as mid 20's in value so that the stock practically can be doubled up on.

There will be a desperate scramble for FB stock if/when even a small portion of FB's platform plans come to fruition because the price will bounce back and soar to record levels practically overnight. It all depends on how Zuckerberg and crew play their cards.

Like I said before, they can double their profits if they let it take a deep slide and buy back stock as they go, but we will see how savvy a CEO Zuckerberg really is. There is nothing like a stock that takes a massive slide and then makes an awesome comeback to spur long term investor confidence.

eroticsexxx 05-22-2012 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18959153)
My point, You/Zuckerberg were not the first to say something along those lines. In 1999, The Globe co-founder Todd Krizelman made a similar statement

Yet another "website" comparison.
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18959153)
"Most persons in the know"- Know they're full of shit. Go here and watch how the lead underwriter Morgan Stanly slashed their profit estimates over the weekend and told only a selected few.

Read that article again and then read what I stated above, again.

Did you catch it?

Let's just call it "full disclosure to avoid the appearance of malfeasance within or influence of the market in the foreseeable future".

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18959153)
You can go for your mystic "in the know" as I'll stick to the facts. Be honest? - How much did you invest?

In the investment world there is no such thing as facts. There only are corporations/people who make money, those who don't and those who have an opinion of whom they "believe" is in each of those former categories.

The ultimate objective is knowing which side of the fence you personally sit on.

eroticsexxx 05-22-2012 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18959223)
Wow, if my thesaurus could read your post, it would bust a load. Give me a break, you don't have to believe anything or my opinions, but what is fact? Facebook stock is down 20% in 2.5 days of trading.

Read my prior post again. I would gather that you didn't read what I stated regarding the hope (in some circles) that FB stock drops as low in value to the mid 20's.

I will repeat yet again:

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In the investment world there is no such thing as facts. There only are corporations/people who make money, those who don't and those who have an opinion of whom they "believe" is in each of those former categories.
Typical reactionary citizen: See a result, but refuse to understand exactly why a particular situation is happening at the present time, as well as the potential beneficiaries of such a scenario occurring.

grumpy 05-22-2012 08:26 AM

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fb

been on 30.98 already

CaptainHowdy 05-22-2012 08:33 AM

Never mess with Jesus H. Christ ...

eroticsexxx 05-22-2012 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18959258)
why waste time and just get to the point?:

The point already has been disclosed in plain text above.

And even as what I am stating is taking place, you still have a contrary opinion. Oh well.

eroticsexxx 05-22-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18959283)
Never mess with Jesus H. Christ ...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Who?

joerudy1988 05-23-2012 12:48 AM

it is still overpriced in my opinion.

$5 submissions 05-23-2012 12:26 PM

It's a 5 dollar stock unless it gets its act together.

SomeCreep 05-23-2012 03:57 PM

Fb no good. Stay away.

shimmy2 05-23-2012 08:47 PM

flip some bricks you'll be better off, so i've heard


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