What will happen now is Ripoffreport and other like sites will fill up with claims from pissed off consumers claiming "CCBill never let me in the site but is still holding my money. What a scam!" Some brave ones may even list the name of the site they they were trying to join in the report.

In short, ccbill verify is causing the charge backs because customer's don't want to phone, or are unable to phone ccbill to complete the transaction. This is bad for everyone!

In this thread is an example of their verify system blatantly disregarding the white label the sale is coming from and linking to another: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1069439

This is just bad!

Exactly. Guess what would happen if a customer goes through this back and forth mailing I've been through today, with the transaction being finally declined in the end.

He'll never use CCBill again. If your site offers CCBill as only processor - another cutomer permanently gone.

sign for petition to CCBill at https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1069468

That's a great point. Whatever they do they need to make this as pleasurable and as painless as possible for the customer.

Correct answer : IT'S YOU.

You, and everyone else who complains about high chargebacks and refunds, are making 2 very big mistakes : #1. You are not watching your purchases closely enough, and #2 : You are blaming the wrong person for this problem. These same chargebacks would happen if they were on Epoch, Segpay or worse, on your own Merchant account.

What you need is an easier way to visualize the sales you are getting, and there is a very simple way to do it. Ask your rep at CCBill or any other processor, to post all of the user data back to you. You want to see as much information about each user. Arrange the data like this:

Date & Time | Username | Real Name | Home Address| Tel # | IP | Email
Date & Time | Username | Real Name | Home Address| Tel # | IP | Email
Date & Time | Username | Real Name | Home Address| Tel # | IP | Email
Date & Time | Username | Real Name | Home Address| Tel # | IP | Email

And even better, if you are using CCBill's User Management, turn it off and have your customers choose their own usernames and passwords to access your members area.

Why?

As your site is running and getting sales, arranging the data in that way will let you easily notice oddities. For example, different users using the same email address or home address. Or with a little bit of scripting, you may notice that the IP address doesn't geo-match the billers home address. Or, you may notice multiple joins from what could be the same user on the same day, etc. Or you could examine the number of purchases he made that day or month and decide if its too many for example.

With even more scripting you can have your program highlight certain items that look suspicious to attract your attention. You can send alerts to yourself in the event of something exceeding your own parameters, etc.

Now here's the best part. When you, the responsible merchant, notice anything funky going on, you can login to your CCBill account and then VOID THE TRANSACTION before it gets to Visa. Yes this costs you a sale but so what. What you have really done is save your account's chargeback rate. Visa will love you & CCBill, and CCBill will love you.

The above was a basis for our own fraud detection system that we call Ahmad and is described at http://www.2much.net/fraud-detection.php. Ours is a little more involved, but if you put my suggestions into place you will gain control over the situation very quickly.

It is very easy to blame billers for chargebacks, but I am telling you from experience that it is a big mistake. Doing so (especially in a public forum) not only hurts the people helping you in your business, but does nothing to actually solve the problem.

Good luck.

Or, you could of read the thread and gathered that this is a verify/CCBill issue.

it's kinda confusing tho...ccbill sales never been this bad...one of my main sites make almost 0 in the last 3 weeks...traffic is still up...better then before, but i almost forgot the feeling of getting a ccbill sale....

Same to you. I was answering the first question of the first post that the thread starter, who asked "Is it me? Or CCBill?". I then offered a possible idea towards a solution.

double agents, triple agents, trolls, ass hats, and inbreds have taken over the gfy asylum

I would think CCBILL after all these years, would have a Running script that checks for SOME of these things, and sends a report saying, hey check this out.

YEARS ago, I had lots of sales with emails from [email protected] [email protected] and domains you KNOW are not signing up.

IP's with 10 signups
Same email with 10 signups
Affiliates that only get sales with the 3 or 6 Month or year sales for max money to be paid to them.


On and on.

make a sale with ccbill method: go to the ccbill live chat and say that there's something wrong and you didn't have a single sale in the last few days, then *ba dum tss* 2 sales, 1 rebill in 2 hours :D

21 refunds and 1 chargeback in total for may

Now employ 100 Indians and scale it! :2 cents:

That's Explains It All, When It's Done By The Consumer Support Department Or Senior Support Representatives Or Supervisors, In Other Words, The God's Of Credit Card Processing, It Just Has Got To Be Correct!

I know what happened

Your surfer saw your stuff and was like wow! Got excited and bought a membership. Then they came and realized they don't have money for porn. So they Googled for your sites videos and oron.com and hit a gold mine. CCBILL processed their transaction there too! Now they canceled the one with you and they use Oron.com now. CCBILL makes money either way!

Awesome! I know, right?

A couple weeks ago a guy I know on a non-porn forum stated that he actually pays for his porn. I was intrigued. He then went on to reveal that the only site he pays for is Xhamster.

It has to suck to have your own pay site and do all that work shooting content only to have people join tubes like Xhamster and Pornhub and pay a premium to THEM with you not getting a dime from it while they display all your content. For every one person coming out and admitting this on a non-porn surfer forum you know there are millions of others too.

But out of say 300 pay site owners reading this and say 1,000 affiliates maybe 3% of them have ever spoken out about the piracy situation or ever attempted to do anything to stop it. It's our own fault in the end. To the other 97% reading this right now, "nice work".

A lot of people have been with ccbill for years. What is your submission percent the past 2 months.... and when you realize it has gone down ask yourself this... why did my submission percent go down.

then read all the threads, then make your own conclusion.

It's possible paying surfers found the links to FREE PORN on Mr. Deiz site ( Yourpon, Pornhub ), clicked, got off for free, and asked for a refund from the paysites they subsribed to. :thumbsup

Of course it's CCBills fault his sales are down and refunds are up.

"Signbucks Daily... to bring you more sales" "Friends: (pornhub link) (youporn link) :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://i.imgur.com/xYS2M.jpg

MrDeiz you've got to be fucking kidding.

my sales aren't comming from SignBucks

Surfers browse the "sites" section and subscribe to sites via your affiliate links

Affiliates browse and signup as your referred webmasters and make sales that you get commission on

all through SignBucks

... and your "friends" links on the header of every page goto Youporn & Pornhub

instead of your highest converting paysites or referred webmasters sites :Oh crap

Yes but because porn is sold through Oron at relatively much lower prices, CCBill is making much less money.

For example, take 1000 porn sites selling monthly subscriptions for $29.95 each. At 10% processing fee, that's $2995 per month for CCBill.

Now all those 1000 sites get ripped and the content can be downloaded for free from Oron.com, or people can buy a faster account for $29.95, with $2.96 for CCBill.

So it's $2995 or $2.96 per month for CCBill.

For someone with a brain that would be an easy choice. But reading their posts on here they're not really clever, are they?

No fucking shit.

Wazz up wit dat MrDeiz?

Or should we address you as Tube Boy from here on out?
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If they don't require subscribers to fill out their MC/Visa Secure Code (the ultimate fraud/chargeback killer): yes, CCBill would be responsible for that.

Nor are those of anyone else from the looks of it :disgust




.

My last 1000 joins I have 1 CB and 1 refund. 85% of my joins are my own if that matters. I would not be surprised if this changes since webair fucked me in the ass yesterday, being with them for 8 years doesn't mean shit to them. Cannot wait to change companies

Brain that's very good figures and do you think people will do a chargeback because your server was down for a day? No worries it doesn't work that way.

Same thing here!

I hope not, I have had quite a few email me but they are customers I have delt with before and I just told them in would be up Monday and have not had any other problems that I know of. When I saw this thread it made me wonder why they have so many and I never get any. Maybe the sites suck or could be anything.

Chargebacks can be the result of fraud, pirates use stolen credit card details to get into your site and steal your content. And you should put in your TOS that you're allowed to have 2 days server downtime per month, then you can refer the complainers to your TOS.

just bought some shares in there :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No doubt you're serious and not joking

http://i.imgur.com/xYS2M.jpg

7 refunds -$71.52 this month

find a sponser who does not pass chargebacks/refunds back to the affiliate, there are not many but there are a few of us who do not do this.

What's the difference between CCBill, NATS, and MPA3? I'm seriously interested.

Here's a cut and paste of my CCBill stats. Take it as you want - but I think I'll stick with them...

Trial. Single. Recurring. Rebill. Refund. Chargeback. Void. Total. Raw Clicks. Unique Clicks. Direct cut and paste - I'll leave it to you to sort it out...

$6,502.83
1,189 $3,230.89
151 $44,708.77
2,802 $62,824.73
4,355 -$1,273.23
90 -$420.94
23 -$64.95
2 $115,508.10
8,612 1,364,891
1:329.5 132,744
1:32.0

1:329 RAW. Includes "Affiliates Without Sales" - and there has to be 200 sites that I never made a cent off :( . Ok, CCBill stats are a very loose estimate of reality. The money that they send me is not, though.

Sort it out for yourself. I'm looking at a ratio of 1:329 (Ok - stats tracking leaves a LOT to be desired...). I'll take that ratio anyday. The click tracking is a bit bizarre, 1:32 unique is WAAAY off, but the cheques arrive every week, and I'll cash 'em.

After all this, I'm not seeing the chargebacks, the declines, or the refunds that everyone bitches about.

The very, very few NATS and MPA3 programs I still promote bill through CCBill as part of their cascade. I'd LOVE to remove NATS and MPA3 sites from my portfolio, but I have a huge number of legacy sites that I need to keep online. Sites that aren't worth working on anymore.

I'll stick with CCBill and the smaller niche programs that use CCBill exclusively.

haven't looked up at a monthly stats yet, but it's
-$58.68 in refunds (5 sales)
-$34.96 in chargebacks (2 sale)
for today
have a great day everyone

Wow... sounds like CCBill is fucking up people's businesses...
I would be mad if my customers were disturbed that way...

To this day i`m very happy I intuitively chose Epoch a few years ago...

Just thought I would gives you my :2 cents: for what it's worth, and check out your site. First off, your content is awesome. If you're not getting sales on that, you need to rethink how you are doing things. Here are a few things I saw that could be hurting you, as they annoyed me or I found them inconvenient.

1) This page took FOREVER to load: http://cuckold.saraswirls.com/joinsite.php

2) The buttons on that page... make the whole button click-able. Only having the tiny radio button click-able is pain, especially if you're drunk or have bad eyes. I actually had to pay attention to change the button. The easier you make it for customers, the better. You should build every aspect of your site for the lowest common denominator, aka the guy who just got online TODAY for the first time and has a slow connection, but wants to join your site. Don't make it slow or difficult for him. Also, try testing LESS options. Try 2 - 3 instead of 4. Studies have show this can sometimes make a difference.

3) Simplify your actual join form. Once they are on the form, it looks like another join PAGE. Then have already chosen to go to that page, let them see the form and get to it instead of distracting them with more text and images. Focus them right where they need to go. Also, all those extra images slowed down the join form. The faster that form can load, the better. You don't want to have them thinking your server is slow, so the videos will be slow, and so on. I would think, based on the load times of the join and the form, that your members area is going to suck slow ass with download speeds. Maybe it doesn't, but that is the impression I got.