Real good tip :thumbsup makes sense. I've heard of drinking more water throughout the day but right before meals seems like a winner. Some say normally that water dilutes the digestive juices and you should only drink after the meal. But for those counting cals seems like a winner. Might give that a go :)

I hear ya. I will never have a perfect diet. Lucas for example only does 3.That is pretty amazing. That may be due in part to the country he is in where things like cabbage, potatoes ect are more staples and a diff way of growing up. They prob dont have 34 brands of corn chips for example. But prob also a concious effort to eat the right foods.

It is a balancing act for most of us. Moderation is the key. Noone wants to give up cheese, all sugar, mayo ect. When you have the urge for the rest of the 3.5 oz milk choc bar you have to conk yourself on the head or something. lol

What about egg whites?! I eat/drink about 30 egg whites a day, 4 whole, 8-10oz beef and at least 3-4 chicken breasts per day. Im donzo!

You can make sweet potato chips or carrot chips if you wanted to. You sure wont find them in the snack aisle at a super market though. You tend to appreciate them more if you make them yourself, even if you make potato chips. You burn calories making them too, and if you're really good.. you also grew the potatoes and busted your ass cultivating and harvesting them. By the time you eat them you've spent way more calories than they'll add on to you.
It's not impossible to eat whatever you want to.

I just had a couple of eggs worth of Egg Beaters in my breakfast. It's egg whites with some vitamins and minerals added, so not too bad I guess.

It sort of boils down to counting calories if you need to lose. No diff than 30 years ago. Or ever. No magic diets or foods. Ya have to count calories to get a grip on where you stand.

You all know Richard Christy (Howard Stern Show) and the Iphone app "Lose It" that basicly is just Weight Watchers on computer. He literally transformed himself.

I think he looks too skinny but he used Lose It to basicly log all he is eating and let the computer instruct him. Kind of a good psychology that may make it easier to stick with than the conventional Weight Watchers or counting calories.

Their site is free (if you dont have an IPhone)

http://loseit.com/

Interesting poll, makes you wonder if there's anything tasteful to eat that's not bad for your health.

Anyone can lose weight, but not everyone can lose FAT while retaining muscle. Its more than just cals in vs cals out.

No. U da MAN :) Holy shit! 30! :)

Fact is PROTEIN is where it's at and simple CARBS got to go!

protien and veg is where it's at. This I know but getting rid of them damn simple carbs is easier said than done.

Dont buy it diet. And more oatmeal :thumbsup

My 5 main carbs I SHOULD be eating mainly:

1) oatmeal (I go 2/3s milk to 1/3 water. microwave 4 servings at a time and refrig)
2) beans (mixture, canned or fresh or soaked, any beans)
3) brown rice (Mahatama is a good brand. Until recently I didnt like the taste but GOOD brown rice is very good without that "taste" that some brown rices have and you can use a lil olive oil :thumbsup)
4) potatoes (they are a carb I guess) some say potatoes pout weight on some say they are the best for losing weight as only 150 cals or so if you eat very little oil on them.
5) bread (not a lot and 100% whole wheat only (no refined wheat)

We got very different opinions on good/bad foods. Eggs got pretty much everything you need to survive except vitamin C.

6) wild rice (honorable mention. Not really a rice but a grain. Cooks same as brown rice about 45 mins. GREAT stuff and from right here in beautiful (in MAY :) Minnesota :)



Lil tourism for the boys in Saint Paul :)

6) wild rice (honorable mention. Not really a rice but a grain. Cooks same as brown rice about 45 mins. GREAT stuff and from right here in beautiful (in MAY :) ) Minnesota :)



Lil tourism for the boyz in Saint Paul :)

Someone (like me) needs to up a high fidelity version of this to YT. Might fly.

7) All veg :thumbsup They are carbs.

Hi Emil, Yep I have def learned that eggs, beef and chicken are ok and should not have made the list. Especially eggs. Guess noone buys the cholesterol argument anymore :)

Ill be honest. I needed 20 and was too tired to change them :) PLUS there are a few vegetarians or quasi veg like Howard Stern who dont eat beef and now HS gave up chicken too.

So Phil and I agree :) chicken and beef are ok and I dont plan on giving them up (altho my brother preaches turkey turkey turkey (ground).

He also goes here http://doctoroz.com/ and claims this guy has the answers. Seems to.

Indeed the only vites ya need (I feel) are Vit C (chewable is best) 1 gram min/day, 2 grams (2000 mgs) is best and maybe a chewable multi. And I like a little ACVinegar too. Not a vite but a suppliment. But then I am not training or anything either.

I once took a ton of vites but hate swallowing all them. Chewable is all Ill do now days.

I do cook ALL my own foods 100% from scratch and let me tell ya I am in the kitchen 3+ hours sometimes so yeah. Cooking is exercise.

Good idea tho. Slice up a potato or sweet potato or carrot with a good slicer and add a little seasoning, Mrs Dash for example has no salt. Bake them and yeah, no oil or very little and you control salt* if you make them thick cut and brush on just a tinch of olive oil maybe.

But congrats. That is going the extra mile and that is what you have to do to lose/keep pounds off.

* excess salt I get in corn chips or taco shells or salted in the shell peanuts (plus I add salt to stuff) probably is putting water weight on.

If I could watch proper sodium intake for maybe two weeks and (maybe) take a dielectric^ like Pamprin (can guys take that? :) Ive heard it recommended to flush water) I could prob lose 10 LBs in two weeks on that only.

My brother spelled it all out for me. He gets all his knowledge from Doctor Oz. He claims: ground turkey, oatmeal, dried fruits, tuna, canned beans (all the usual good stuff) NO CORN SYRUP or SUGAR and LOW SODIUM being KEY and counting cals AND sodium ESPEC is the way.

He actually washes his canned beans and canned veg under water to remove sodium.

Makes sense, he is lean and mean.

^ Wait "a dielectric is an electrical insulator". You know what I mean :)

You say protein is good, then you list all common forms except tuna as bad. I think it's important to eat good foods in moderation. You can't survive off blueberries alone, but that doesn't mean they aren't good to include in your diet. By the same token, don't eat a dozen eggs a week. But you can certainly have a few a week as a good source of omegas and protein. Support your local chickens!

For some of us, SUGAR is the hardest thing to give up or replace. Corn syrup is somehow easier, prob cause it is more nausiating if you go over the very short limit. Yet it is all a mind game and if we were unaware of it we would prob not even miss it. Honey is good to have around.

Want endorphins and a "quick high" and "short lived lift" AND crap in your teeth OR want to be skinny? That simple. You'll get endorphins when the ladies look at you (me) again.

And teeth are good :)

Agreed :thumbsup Moderation is the word for the day.

And yeah the chickens have their defenders in this thread lol :)

Dont f with the chickens :) But I hear ya. Simple carbs, like pasta, and oils like dressing and corn chips (if eating too many which is like only 10 or so) are the real prob.

Proteins are good in almost any quantity. Cause after a while (Atkins Diet) you begin to crave carbs if all you have is protein. Can really only eat so much protein as the body doesnt seem to crave it the same as carbs.

Mind over matter. First you get educated. Then you do it :thumbsup

Actually I do eat about a dozen a week :) I scramble or fry 12 at a time in 1 TB of canola oil and 1 TB of butter (friend says use grapeseed oil.. is great for frying eggs.. gonna try that) and then refrig and eat 3 at a time out of the micro 4 days straight.

So that isnt good? :) Phil had 30 today lol I'm confused. But we all arnt Phil. And yeah maybe 3 eggs a day (dozen or more a week) is too many. That is all I have that meal but lots of cholesterol.

That's a ton of eggs, wow. I would say one a day would probably be a good limit. How about having scrambled eggs for breakie twice a week (but still 3 eggs per portion) and then a fried egg on the weekend? The other days you can have a yogurt smoothie with fruit or a whole grain cereal like oats or granola?

There's nothing wrong with oil based dressings. Those are the healthy ones. The cream-based ones are the dressings with too much fat and thickeners. I would avoid all the bottled stuff as a general rule, though. When you make a salad, just mix up in a jar some olive oil, balsamic vinegar or red wine vinegar, salt, pepper, and an herb like parsley. Throw in a spot of sugar and some poppy seeds if you like. Shake it up and apply to your salad! It keeps in the fridge for about a week, just reshake before you use it again.

Sugar is lovely in small quantities. It's a key ingredient in most baking. It's healthier in the long run than the synthetic replacements like Splenda or SweetnLow. I think they key is to avoid eating products that include unneccessary sugars. ie: don't reach for a full-sugar soda, have water or tea or coffee instead. If you really need a sugar hit, pour a glass of REAL juice and feast on the natural sugars.

This leads me to a rant of mine: cheat foods. You know that cookies don't fit in your diet. What makes people think that replacing one ingredient (like sugar with splenda) will suddenly make cookies ok? It's far better to go get a nice bakery-fresh cookie and ENJOY IT than to snack on those cardboardy "diet friendly" 100calorie cookies that serve absolutely no purpose. The point is to focus on REAL ingredients that you can use in your own kitchen. Nothing you can't pronounce or can only find in a lab.

Hope that helps!

Veg are not carbs.

This is why ya gotta at least walk if ya dont run. I remember reading in the 70s about a guy who began jogging and basicly runners can eat chocolate cake cause their systems are so efficient.

What was his name.. Older guy in his 40s. He would write on the meditative benefits of long distant jogging and how you could eat anything. Not Jim Fixx but around that time. Used to go to the public library and get his books. He was a great author on the solitude of running and especially on his first runner's high and how it changed him. Think his name was Jack S...

So if ya want to eat the junk and be a slim "middle aged man" ya have to walk I guess. Or vacuum/dust/houswork. When ya got 2x energy and 4x housework ya cant really exercise. I guess you could but at the beginning ya might sleep too much...

You sure :) Arent they complex carbs. I think so. But maybe not. Phil? :)

Nice post JC :thumbsup Appreciate it. I also learned long ago that gluten (a part of the refind wheat flour in bagles and cheap bread) is terrible for you. Gives me big heartburn and puts weight on easily.

No dairy is amazing. As I said I buy the 24 oz block of chedder and go thru that in about a week WITH some shredded too. How I dont know :) but it goes. I LEAN hard on cheese as being easy. But I am turning into a huge chunk of cheese lol

Pork went huh. My friend says pork is bad. Due to the whole worm thing. Coffee I quit (in favor of no-doze lol so no gain there :) Well some gain: No bathroom trips and better teeth.) I am with ya on all processed foods are gone (except sugars, corn syrups (for now) ) A little red licorice left THEN maybe no more :)

Can I do it. No candy :)

I remeber walking as a kid up the alley 3 blocks to a place called Macs. Old guy with a lil store with a TON of penny candy. With one thin dime Id get 10 or sometimes more asst pieces in a bag (with a twizzler sticking out :) ) As most of us, Candy and I go back and deep down I love it but it doesnt love me.

twizzler
black jack
dubble bubble or bazooka
pixie stick (sometimes)
tootsie roll
laffy taffy (banana)
some 2 for 1cent
fives (with the little tiny malted milk balls)
only up to 8 cents and I forget what else lol.. it was about 40 years ago :)

But I would come back home in lala.. lalala land :)

So it is hard to say goodbye..

The little corner store in 1972 for me was Hanks. I would get my allowance (of 25 cents) and go buy a lollipop and maybe a balsa wood glider and something to drink.

Totally an "old man" story. Oh well.

The store is still there and open too, pretty good long life but that's small towns for you.

This thread is hilarious.

Pork worm thing: He claims if you set any piece of pork out for a couple hours then look at it closely it will have worms. I disagree as that was something of the past.

At any rate I eat Pork. It is f'n good bbq'd. And certianly cooking kills anything anyhow.

Kind of creepy I know but thought I better clarify what he means by worms. He is seldom wrong. Yowzers. :)

He must be wrong on this tho. If Im in Tenn or Texas I am eating some of that slow cooked pork bbq for sure.

Hanks LOL :) Yeah, we all had a little store and up till about 1975 penny candy was everywhere.

Yeah we are talking 1972 hehe My lil store, Macs was between many of our places and school so a ton of kids would go in and out of there all day everyday. Sweet guy with a white apron. Noone ever went in the back rows EVER to buy any groc. All anyone bought was candy, maybe cigs.

And everyone had a smart comment for Mac. What a life. Macs was gone by about 1990 when Mac died.



Candy was still cheap till about 1980. Nickle candy bars in 1972 were only a dime from 1975 till 1980. Then a quarter in the early 80s. I think :)

I try and keep it fun :helpme :Oh crap :)

Americana and us silly Americans :) We are all naturally brainwashed by the media to eat spagettios, coke and potato chips basicly. Not really taught nutrition to where it sticks. :)

Maybe in 10th grade but who listened during 10th grade health :) Which was a while ago for some of us :1orglaugh



if it aint fun, no point in getting up :)

PS freeze pops were BIG! What were they called. Long plastic tube a foot long and you cut off the top and slid out the blue ice. They were huge :)

Mr Freeze! They still have them? Prob do. Used to be a nickle. Now prob 50 cents minimum.

Excellent post :thumbsup. That does help.

(What I really need is a wife lol, women know this stuff. My friend's wife gives me good advice :) )

Excellent advice on the salad dressing. I was doing that a bit at one time. Good way to get a lil olive oil and vinegar. I didnt like the basalmic but the red wine vinegar is a winner.

Agreed, as I said creamy blue cheese (and lots of it :) ) got me off on the wrong foot way back in my mid 20's.

Ok fair enough on sugar. Agreed. It is certainly better than corn syrup. But buying gratuitous candies like black jacks and laffy tafffy is prob not ok for someone who binges.

I also told myself THREE pieces of candy a day is ok. But then I sleepwalk if I dont eat like 10 before bed. Seriously.

Homemade chocolate chip cookies are GREAT. I was less fat then too. Maybe baking a bit is ok. Phil, do you eat homemade choc chippers? lol :) I bet not :) Laffy taffy? :)

Remember as a kid eating Karo corn syrup on pancakes? Great. How did I do that? Oh yeah I went out and ran around all day :)

Anyhow, I cook everything from scratch incl some baking. Altho I can make choc chippers, I know the ingr for a homemade recipe by heart :) something says they will not allow weight loss BUT I hear ya about keeping it real is most important.

And IF you buy ONE cookie buy a good one and enjoy it. Quality over quantity for sure.



:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup for a rare female poster in a thread of mine :)

So far today my diet:

Breakfast:
handful of crushed corn chips under
some seasoned taco meat (beef)
onions
shredded sharp chedder
Ortega Taco sauce
[a tostada! correct :thumbsup ]
Braggs ACVinegar in 12 oz tap water

Mid day snack: (right now)
Bowl of oatmeal I nuked (I cook 4 servings at once and refrig)
With about 2 tsp Smart Bal and a bit of honey 1 tsp
About 1 oz chedder on the side (protein :) )
A Budweiser (cause posting is stressful :) hehe)
A no-doze and an aspirin (instead of coffee :) (cause posting is work :) )

So far not bad.. long ways to go today :)

I need a nap and I am craving red licorice big time but I resisted. This is when I am in trouble when my blood sugar gets too low. I have to hang in there and wait for the oatmeal to kick in.

what a drag it is getting old.. i got dishes to do.. a ton of shit.. anyone got any cocaine? cannabis? white cross? meth? crack? lol

that should help me get through my busy day and be just great for my diet :thumbsup

actually dexedrine (white cross) IS good for my diet :thumbsup if I had some :(

ehh maybe not, cannabis will do

what a drag it is getting old

I disagree with some of that being unhealthy. I think a fair bit of it is based on the glycemic index BS which is just the stupid fad diet base of the last few years... Most people don't even really understand what it means. Worried about pasta being too high glycemic index - cook it less, now it will digest slower and be lower index... not that it really matters unless you are diabetic or need to "feel full" longer so that you don't stuff your gullet.
/ end glycemic index rant

are diet threads a bit

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all posters get a case of

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well we pretty much said EVERYTHING there is to say about diet

you are wrong old steamed carrots breath

you mean there is more?

Yes! Not really. I think we covered it :)

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Well I learned some good stuff.

Amazingly very FEW of you eat corn syrup. Congratz! Yeah you are pretty pathetic if you are eating 99 cent slices LOL :)

Of 53 voters:

Number one food eaten: Chicken (43) This is def a very savvy bunch. The second: Cheese (40) who can live without it hehe.

MSG (8) Nitrites (10) THIS is where I am fussier than some of you :) Yeah I ate a few Subways in my day but I always noticed I felt like a nap after. Who can resist Eggrolls tho right and choo choo beef and teriyaki chicken and fried rice and... Just dont ask me to post after. I will be out of it.. unless YOU have some better drugs to pull me out :)

Frozen Pizza (17) only 1/3 of you. I suspected you all would not be real impressed with that garb. It is mostly all garb. Yeah a couple arnt bad if you dont eat the crust.

this one's good

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Mayo (21) um about 40%. Not real big on mayo either. Good to see. We all know that stuff is KILLER! and once again you be the dead one

sugar (26) hey ya have to have some I figure. Moderation tho. Maybe buy one candy bar and that is all. This is actually very low only 50% You are all very disciplined people.

corn syrup only (7) Homie dont play that corn syrup game :) Indeed. Ever eat Karo as an adult. How did we eat that stuff.

butter (24) Smart Balance (3) Homie dont play that Smart bal game either. hah! I am one of the three. It is nonhydrogenated.. :) Still arnt buying huh. :) This is good info to know. So you all basicly have toast and butter not toast and Smart Bal. Hmmm.

Pasta (31) This is fairly high White Flour (21) hmm 10 of you wont touch WF but will touch pasta. Same thing. :) Pasta may be worse :) But ok. I hear ya. Big Italian contingent (Juicy lol j/k) in the voting base LOL

I better hit submit :)

Agreed. It is complicated shit. It really is. I actually minored in "Community Health" with Engineering as a major. Dont ask me why. It was the early 80s and I had Pat Benatar on my mind :)

But I am a bigger dummy than most young people who seem to have a grasp on this stuff. Back then they didnt know much tho in terms of PRACTICAL nutrition.

In the 70s margarine was considered good and butter bad. Certainly hydrogenated oils ARE the worst thing you can eat for real. Clogs the arteries ect. Vice versa olive or grapeseed or even cannabis (hemp) oil is actually very good for you. Think it is legal in Canada.

Are you trolling? Because it doesn't take much common sense to tell that you need to:
1) clear out your kitchen and fill it with only healthy options
2) Stop pre-cooking everything and heating up later. It makes eating TOO EASY.
3) stop mixing your drugs. A beer makes you dozy, so you take a no doze and then an aspirin chaser? come on.

About oatmeal: don't buy the instant stuff. That's like oatmeal puree. Buy the big flakes, it will be called Steel Cut or Scottish or Rolled Oats. You can still microwave it, no worries. Just heat up with water and a splash of brown sugar or honey and some fruit for 45 seconds on high, covered - stir - do another 45 seconds covered, then let sit for a minute before adding some milk.

Basically the entire list.

only 17% eat msg? I smell BS knowing that most of the products has that included, I try to avoid it and still sometimes HAVE to buy something with it.

Eat plenty of dark chocolate. Very good for the heart/CVS and lowers your risk of stroke dramatically. I have sacks of it in my cupboards. Also, eggs are now considered generally good for you (including yolks). Just watch your total saturated fat intake.

And yes, I am a certified GFY nutritionist.:thumbsup

I didn't check 3 of the listed ones. Is that good? :upsidedow

Nope I never troll. Well maybe a lil for entertainment :)

1) I agree with you here and this is my basic strategy and thus I want to see what you all think is healthy (or not)

2) Well that is true I guess. Cant really argue and good point. But I also have to do all the other stuff in life so altho I am lazy today Mon-Wed I was working all day on stuff. You have to save time when as Alice said, "I'm still on my own"

3) Naah I am 6'3" 308 so one beer does nothing. It just seemed like what I wanted at the time for taste. In the kitchen I go on auto pilot when hungry.. bad I know. One Aspirin is just cause I like to keep the blood thinned. No doze is no diff than coffee without all the riggamarole and more efficient and cheaper.

Good info on the oats. So steel cut is not the same as cheap whole oats? Both are pretty cheap I guess.

I once asked the health guys here this and they said any whole oats is good.

she struts into the room
well i dont know her



told her that I came from Detroit City

cause it's a long long way to paradise
and im still on my own

sorry, I need my music when posting :)