no that to point out how entitled clueless copyright holder is to the real world economy

That they would stupidly argue gutting all those real world (free market gained) jobs to protect the government granted (thru monopoly control assignment) income.

or just enforce the current penalties

send the person to jail for the act of fraud.

doesnt change the fact you steal our shit and ignore removal requests we will knock on your front door. now i have some 16th century etchings, interested?

stealing = you don't have it anymore

copying = you still have it now



btw the supreme court says that copyright infringement is not stolen


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling...d_States_(1985)

pps.

so you arguing to protect an industry that can't survive without government protection
you should commit a war crime.

yes they should push them back

It is quite simple, if i sell you a DVD you own the physical embodiment of the DVD ? and are free to use/dispose of it any way you wish ? you do not own the intellectual property embodied within my DVD, and may not exercise dominion over that property. I own the intangible property encoded in the DVD I sold you, and I am within my rights, according to section 106 of the United Sates Copyright Code, to reproduce and distribute the work as I please due to the time, creativity and money that went into producing my work. You as the owner of a purchased DVD merely own the physical object containing my created work and have no such rights. The Constitution is controlling fact, not just the copyright laws Congress has passed under Constitutional authority.

Society believes and justly rewards an individual for the fruits of their labor.

No how about those etchings?

exactly

but section 106 states

a subject to clause is legally "the conditions you agree to accept" to get all of the exclusive rights of section 106. Choose to not meet those conditions and you don't have any section 106 rights

And section 107 is fair use.

etchings, 16th century and rare?

Karl Marx thought the abolition of property rights was a good idea too, but history has shown otherwise. The welfare component of your argument is similar to the socialist idea of eliminating private property for the presumed public good.

an exclusive right to make copies of something is not a property right

Copyright takes away normal property rights that would normally exist for something (content) and replaces them with licences


If i buy a chair i don't have to ask the chair manufacture for permission to use that chair in any way i want.

I could even use it as a model to design a replacement chair.

Copyright takes those normal property rights away and replaces it with a permission based system.


so you are the one who is actually arguing against property rights when you argue for copyright.

You want us to believe that there are no individual achievements in this world. Everything is made possible by some nebulous free/fair use society and its self appointed ambassadors. Of course, it is no mystery why. Once your ilk acknowledge that individuals create wealth (hence property, both tangible and intangible) it?s amazingly more difficult to justify seizing and redistributing it for the public good.

If you believe in the concept of private property, which I am sure you do if you actually own anything, then you have to believe in copyright. Copyrights are the legal implementation of all property rights: a person?s right to the product of thei mind. The government does not bestow a grant or copyright, in the sense of a gift; government merely secures the inherent property rights of the creator; certifies, if you will, the origination of the idea and protects the creator?s right of use and disposal.

Obviously you consider patents and copyrights as equivalent; they are not. The difference lies in their legal enforcement. Copyrights have their root in prosecution of the implicit pilfering of intellectual property. If you independently create a dvd similar to mine, I must prove you had access to my work to have my rights upheld. With patent, if you create my chair you are guilty of infringing my rights, ignorance of my existing and current patent, unintentional or not, is not a defense. Merely because you purchase the physical chair design does not imply that you acquire full rights to disassemble, analyze, reengineer and distribute the chair commercially. Your statement is factually and legally incorrect.

The significant difference between real property (the chair) and copyright (dvd) is that the chair is a obviously a tangible object, and is easily understood by our senses. A dvd is the physical object which embodies my intellectual property, it's intangible and more difficult to conceptualize. You may physically own the dvd I sold you and are free to use or dispose of it as you see fit. You do NOT however own the intellectual property encoded on that dvd.

You continue to state copyright is a limitation of ALL property rights. That is bullshit. Without any authority protecting my interests and the interests and livelihoods of all creators, the motivation to develop such a works decreases dramatically. Like ALL property rights, the copyright places limitations on those who do NOT own (or create) intellectual property.

Copyright is the mechanism by which I can exercise MY property rights. The limitation is on you and your ilk who would pilfer my property rights. If this is a limitation on your rights to freely distribute my copyrighted intellectual property encoded on that dvd, I?m ok with that and I think the vast majority of our society is as well.

Again, rare 16th century etchings, interested, gideon?

You are an intuitive one Mr. Gideon.

I actually agree with some of what you say. Believe it or not I'm kind of one of those old school intenet hippies who believes "Information wants to be free". But where I draw the line is when someone else is profiting from it. It's one thing for a person to use a chair they bought however they wish or for a surfer who paid for a porn membership to rip the site for their own personal enjoyment but it's another for the industry scumbags to make millions from the theft of other's content. The latter is many times worse.

For the most part these people you are defending aren't "internet hippies" who think "Information wants to be free". They are big time corporate scumbags making millions a year who are pushing small businesses consisting of ordinary people out by directly profiting from their hard work being stolen. That's all it really is. If you took away their profit do you think Manwin would still be keeping their sites up? Of course not. They are in it for the money not to make information free or some other noble quest. These people aren't heroes fighting for the "little people". Quite the contrary. They are huge major corporations now pushing independent operators out by making their hard work worth pennies on the dollar. They are basically profiting from theft and they aren't Robin Hoods as you seem to imply at times.

Still angry because you got gay porn instead of your favorite TV show?

Open source creates wealth for people too
red hat did a billion dollars in sales.
copyright control is not necessary to create wealth

That like saying that because i believe that the sun is not up in the air at night i therefore believe the sun doesn't exist at all

you would need a separate law then,
Copyright is granting of special rights that violate the normal property rights of the buyer with licencing right

The reason being to create an incentive to innovation that will ultimately benefit the public when the term of copyright expires

was not talking about patent vs copyright

i was talking about property rights vs copyright

If your too stupid to understand the difference here is a clear example

i can buy toilet paper and use it to for it intended purpose
but if i want to cut it up and reuse it in another way like say
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3YfFMyK8_q...r+Roll+Art.jpg

i don't have to ask P&G for permission to do so

That property rights once i aquire the property it mine to do with

copyright is different as you acknowledged in your twisted example.

the content is on the disk, i buy the disk to have the content. If you gave me just the disk with no content on it i would not buy it from you for the inflated price i can buy blank disks for 25 cents.

I am buying the content but i don't own the content i am buying

That the point normal property rights would give me ownership and the right to do what ever i want to with that purchased i"property"

copyright creates a secondary "licience" condition

i basically need to buy a "licience" to view it , another to copy it and so on and so on.


copyright grants a right to the creator not to the owner of the property.

That the point property rights grant a right to the owner, you transfer property rights
1 way by selling the property to the new owner period.

Copyright creates all kinds of additional options by selling licences

licences are not property transfers (as you so clearly pointed out with your twisted example)



nope it the way you limit the normal property rights of the buyer

I don't have a problem with copyright as long as you respect fair use

you agreed to give away all rights to prevent anyone from doing anything that is fair use in exchange for the control when it is not.

That exactly what the subject to clause means.

at least get the quote right


sony sold there betamax for 1k each when they first came out

fair use is profitable

never said it wasn't

I teach people how to profit by being fair use friendly, i couldn't do what i am doing if there was no money in it.

This is really sad. All I see are a bunch of posts by gideongallery on "ignore"

He is not in our industry.
He has ZERO reason to post here.
He has never even posted ONE business thread or ONE goofing off thread.
EVERY post he has ever made on GFY is about stealing and pro-piracy.

Gideon...you really need to get some help. This is obviously a desperate cry for help from you. As much as you are disliked here, I don't think anyone wants to see you hurt yourself. But man, all the symptoms you are displaying are of a man in a DEEP depression.

Please get some help. I don't want you to do anything crazy and end up dead at your own hand. And that is where you are heading if you don't get some help soon.

This is a textbook case of a man crying out for attention. And it always leads to suicide.

Please man. It may seem bleak to you now, but the world is actually a beautiful place. You CAN find your place in it.

But first, you are going to have to try to stand up and walk away from your computer and go see a psychiatrist and get yourself some help. Please. Before it's too late. :(

What quote do you think I have wrong?




What are you doing exactly? Can you show me?

He's not doing anything.

That's the problem. This is a man who needs help badly. He has a lot of delusional though processes going on and I'm really afraid that he will do something to himself if he doesn't get professional help soon.

dont listen to him gideon

you are fucking worthless and beyond help you thieving mother fucking piece of shit

gideon you are a FUCKING IDIOT ESL student plain and simple. Go ahead pilfer my content, I dare you. I promise upon my last breath I WILL knock on your door and provide an intense education on intellectual rights and fair use of rock hard objects. Rectal exams optional depending upon my mood.

We need to show compassion to gideongallery.

Yes, it's true that on first look (and second and third) gideongallery DOES appear to be nothing more than a "thieving motherfucking piece of shit"

But when you realize that he posts on GFY incessantly and has NEVER made any kind of post that wasn't pro-stealing, pro-piracy. And then you take into account that he is hated by most and ignored by many....

That's when you realize that this poor man needs help. I believe that with the proper mental help and medications he could actually become a productive member of society and finally get a job and move out of his parent's home.

But it's gonna take all of us being kind and gentle to him and try to get through to him past his delusional fog.

well youre a lot more optimistic than me robbie :1orglaugh

then care to explain why you didn't take the bet

I offeredt o show everyone here the solution if you agreed to put your content into the public domain if you used it.

If what i said didn't work you would use

If what i said worked you still would not suffer unless you tried to take it.


And yet you still refuse to take the bet.

No Robbie the only thing that will actually assist him is a rectal exam by Girth Brooks

[QUOTE=signupdamnit;18983103]What quote do you think I have wrong?



information want to be free is only half of a quote the real quote is above and posted in the previous post too.



sure i would be happy to just pay my fee and i will show you exactly what to do.

Today, 03:00 PM
gideongallery
This message is hidden because gideongallery is on your ignore list.

Wow...this is just sad. Gideon, I know that you know that I have always made you my bitch on GFY (as did thedoc and many, many others)...but now I realize that instead of having a laugh at the insanely stupid things you say and then tearing you to shreds in every argument, I need to take pity on you instead.

So I'm begging you. Please walk away from the computer. Have your parents drive you to a mental clinic and get you checked in.

Yes, it may take some years of therapy. But I do believe that one day you can finally join society and even get a job.

And when that day happens...I promise to come to the McDonald's you are working at and let you take my order. It will be a proud day indeed!

But right now, it's important that you get some help. I do not want to see you desperately putting a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger like so many have done in the past who showed your symptoms.

Gideon quotes all of us. Can we DMCA his posts with quotes in their entirety and get him gone that way? ;-)

If it would help him to get his life straightened out I would. :)

But for some reason, Theo at AVN hasn't gotten around to BANNING gideongallery for not being in our industry. (yes I know that 99% of the people on here fall in the same category, but gideon has openly admitted it in the past)

I think the best thing would be for Theo to realize that banning gideongallery for life would be the best thing he could do to HELP gideongallery and probably stop GG from committing suicide as his mental issues are getting worse with each post he makes on GFY

I don't believe in God. But I'm going to pray for you gideongallery. :)

btw gideon how do you like torrentflux?

I'm going to go out to my pool, kick back in my jacuzzi with an ice cold beverage and ponder how to best help gideongallery.
I urge the rest of you to do the same.

Just remember, while we live lives of wealth and luxury from years of hard work...he lives in the basement of his parents house in pure filth from years of doing nothing at all.

We need to get him some mental help soon. :)

Dr Who Dreamland fan gideon? LOL

No offense, but the U.S. abandoned that option when it started doing business with China and sucking oil-filled Saudi cock. The U.S. literally has no choice but to do business with countries that openly laugh at not only your property rights ( a VERY minor consideration), but your laws - and even the very Constitution that your country was built upon.

Disagree? Have your government openly tell China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan (et al) to fuck off and eat shit. That oughta work out well...

The only option the U.S. has left open to it is to play the "big bad bully" and go after private citizens, foreign nationals, and smaller corporations and companies. The U.S. will NEVER go after big international interests or multinational corporations, let alone any foreign government that's not already an ally. Allies will agree to many of your requests. Ask Pakistan or China for the odd concession, though.

Anyone from China could literally reproduce anything produced in the States and sell it right back to you without repercussion. Cars will be coming soon enough. You can already buy Chinese made pre-fab houses.

The only people who'll get busted are the poor idiots selling the bootleg DVDs and BluRays at flea markets, the small businesses importing toys covered in lead based paints, or the pretentious idiots hosting files uploaded by the general public. The manufacturers of these products will continue - for the most part - to keep producing the shit and selling it right back at you.

A major exception is dog food. Its ok to kill people with dangerous products. Don't fuck with our dogs, though... Seriously. Don't fuck with my dog.

And its no different in Canada. Every minute Canada sends more money to "nations" that should not even be allowed to exist than any of us will make in a year. The federal government is the single largest employer in this country. Anyone who thinks that THAT's a good thing should be shot.

The world is fucked and everyone is too busy kissing ass and arguing over irrelevant shit to fix it. I love The United States of America, but your politicians are too busy arguing about God and gay marraige to fucking realize that the whole Empire is done.

Canada, on the other hand, will be fine as long as it continues to tax its citizens to death (gotta pay for those golden bureaucratic pensions and benefits somehow!), and as long as we continue to allow DeBeers and other multinationals to freely suck every last resource out of the depths of this once great country.

Without the U.S. bailing us out, we're going to end up a massive, very cold version of Haiti. Barren, dead, and starving. A couple hundred years, tops. Then we'll have nothing left. No diamonds. No oil. No seals. No trees. No fish. No taxpayers.

No point.

TL;DR

Oh garce, I figured the or let's just nuke them was an indication of my sarcasm.

I didn't tl;dr but I did skim.

You been talking to hahahahahahahahaha lately? :-)

edit: oh triple X church is a banned word but Donny can play here. Oh the irony.

CamTata, that's a nice pic in your avatar.

Kinda reminds me of a guy named Aaron...but I can't quite put my finger on it...

This is kinda interesting:
http://jacquesweb.com/project/projectpic.jpg

hehe:1orglaugh