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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 05:01 AM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vVFRwfL4Cv...eport_form.jpg

L-Pink 06-05-2012 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18986604)
If anyone wants to Time Shift a message to his boss, here he is:

CEO: Ashraf Ghadban
- Linkedin
- Twitter: @akirasystems
- Facebook

For page 5 you condescending prick!

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Phoenix 06-05-2012 05:29 AM

what is akirasystems anyway?

L-Pink 06-05-2012 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18986888)
what is akirasystems anyway?

Do a google search then check out the company. Funny thing is they charge for their content. Thought it would be free like gideon says all content should be. In fact send an email asking why it's not ...

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Phoenix 06-05-2012 05:33 AM

what a joke btw....charging to take down stolen material...you might as well give these sites a boat and a pirate flag...or the modern equivalent, loafers and a hoodie.

Phoenix 06-05-2012 05:35 AM

http://www.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha/

Head Office:

120 Wellington St

London, Ontario

Canada, N6B 2K6

Phone: 1.877.400.6778 ext. 102
Fax: 1.877.400.6778
info@hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

They have a comment section on their site...i dont see any gfyers commenting.

Lucky for Gideon i guess.

CamTata 06-05-2012 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18986888)
what is akirasystems anyway?

ask and yea shall receive :winkwink:

"At Akira Systems we enable our clients to achieve success through our industry-specific expertise, quality services and collaborative relationships based on core business values. Our base platform is built around Microsoft's latest technologies available."

Hmm - that makes what they do crystal clear :1orglaugh

"Akira Systems is an IT Software company based out of London, Ontario, Canada. Our organization focuses on utilizing Microsoft development and tools and our main area of expertise would be in Employee Communication Management."

Something tells me gideon hasnt learned anything from his employer :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


http://hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...dex.php/about/
http://pinpoint.microsoft.com/en-CA/...rId=4297604664

L-Pink 06-05-2012 05:45 AM

If above links don't work google the company then use those links.

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Phoenix 06-05-2012 05:50 AM

oops i guess Gideon is crying

DWB 06-05-2012 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18986896)
http://www.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha/

Head Office:

120 Wellington St

London, Ontario

Canada, N6B 2K6

Phone: 1.877.400.6778 ext. 102
Fax: 1.877.400.6778
info@hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

They have a comment section on their site...i dont see any gfyers commenting.

Lucky for Gideon i guess.



I dont see a comment system on there. Where is it?

Anyway... this is the link to the site since GFY is now blocking the company: http://tinyurl.com/6s4kvun (no rick roll)

Phoenix 06-05-2012 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18986928)
I dont see a comment system on there. Where is it?

Anyway... this is the link to the site since GFY is now blocking the company: http://tinyurl.com/6s4kvun (no rick roll)

if you visit the links at the bottom
one is titled Exhibiting at Ontario Colleges Athletic Association

CamTata 06-05-2012 06:20 AM

Twitter: DailyGalleries

I wonder if gg is making "fair use" of all those links with affialiate codes he has tweeted.
His fanatical comments on "fair use' would lead one to believe he has let this IP free

CamTata 06-05-2012 06:34 AM

Autumn Riley, Gigi Spice, Karla Spice, Natalia Spice, Ivy Snow,
Taylor Lain, Dors Feline, Tegan Brandy, Tania Spice, Bella XOXO, Briana Lee, Lynn Pops, Madden, Niki Sims, Cindy Cupcakes, Sweet Krissy, Shyla Jennings, Hardcore Mandy... the list goes on.

If I owned those I would be looking to see if fair use boy set them free ;)

CamTata 06-05-2012 06:39 AM

you can always send your bright ideas on how IP being free is the next bright idea and demands to be in the light. :1orglaugh

"If you have a bright idea and aren't quite sure where to start, or what to do with it, we want to hear from you! Give akira systems a call or email ideafactory@hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and we can help determine if Idea Factory is the right next step in bringing your idea to life."

seeric 06-05-2012 09:41 AM

Gideon must have timeshifted himself away from GFY in hopes that the heat dies down.

The Porn Nerd 06-05-2012 10:03 AM

I think I should charge GFY for having to read through these ridiculous GideonGallery threads eh?

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 11:41 AM

Honestly $50 seems like a reasonable amount for taking a foreign-law request that doesn't apply to you and converting it to a domestic-law request, and authenticating said request to be sure that the requester is legally able to make that request. All you people getting butthurt are overlooking the simple fact that a DMCA request sent to any country other than the USA is the same as a postcard from Hawaii for any legal purposes. Offering to accept that totally invalid request for a small fee, or of course allowing the requester to use the appropriate process for the country in question without a fee, that seems pretty damn reasonable. This has nothing to do with harboring pirates or whatever other bullshit that people are trying to turn it into.

Robbie 06-05-2012 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18987677)
Honestly I'm an idiot.

Off to ignore you go.

Stealing is stealing. They belong in jail. Not getting money from honest people. Goodbye clown.

DWB 06-05-2012 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 18987378)
Gideon must have timeshifted himself away from GFY in hopes that the heat dies down.

http://www.thenoobnews.com/uploads/2...doc-remote.jpg

DWB 06-05-2012 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18987677)
Honestly $50 seems like a reasonable amount for taking a foreign-law request that doesn't apply to you and converting it to a domestic-law request, and authenticating said request to be sure that the requester is legally able to make that request. All you people getting butthurt are overlooking the simple fact that a DMCA request sent to any country other than the USA is the same as a postcard from Hawaii for any legal purposes. Offering to accept that totally invalid request for a small fee, or of course allowing the requester to use the appropriate process for the country in question without a fee, that seems pretty damn reasonable. This has nothing to do with harboring pirates or whatever other bullshit that people are trying to turn it into.

$50 is an outrage considering sometimes you can send 100s of DMCAs to the same host for the same site, only to often have them rename the files and put them right back up later.

The problem is, there is no punishment for the infringing party. Why doesn't the host charge THEM $50 for every legit DMCA they have to remove? After all, it is their site. They stole it. They fucked up. They are the reason any of this is happening in the first place. Punish the site owner, not the content owner. Hosts make you pay for bandwidth overage, so why not have to pay for legit DMCAs sent to your site?

IMHO any company charging anything to the content owner for removing content is involved in piracy themselves, and probably on a fairly deep level. Otherwise they would pass the burden to the site owner / client.

papill0n 06-05-2012 12:56 PM

a lot of time shifting in this thread but no gideon :1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 06-05-2012 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18987677)
Honestly $50 seems like a reasonable amount for taking a foreign-law request that doesn't apply to you and converting it to a domestic-law request, and authenticating said request to be sure that the requester is legally able to make that request. All you people getting butthurt are overlooking the simple fact that a DMCA request sent to any country other than the USA is the same as a postcard from Hawaii for any legal purposes. Offering to accept that totally invalid request for a small fee, or of course allowing the requester to use the appropriate process for the country in question without a fee, that seems pretty damn reasonable. This has nothing to do with harboring pirates or whatever other bullshit that people are trying to turn it into.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

not only should they dish out 50$ for a >DMCA but they should also award an additional 75$ to the uploader because he will have to bother and upload it again and again and again and again....

I can see the "gideonbucks" program LOL "make money by uploading and then asking for 50$ to take it down" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 06-05-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18986896)
http://www.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha/

Head Office:

120 Wellington St

London, Ontario

Canada, N6B 2K6

Phone: 1.877.400.6778 ext. 102
Fax: 1.877.400.6778
info@hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

They have a comment section on their site...i dont see any gfyers commenting.

Lucky for Gideon i guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamTata (Post 18986904)
ask and yea shall receive :winkwink:

"At Akira Systems we enable our clients to achieve success through our industry-specific expertise, quality services and collaborative relationships based on core business values. Our base platform is built around Microsoft's latest technologies available."

Hmm - that makes what they do crystal clear :1orglaugh

"Akira Systems is an IT Software company based out of London, Ontario, Canada. Our organization focuses on utilizing Microsoft development and tools and our main area of expertise would be in Employee Communication Management."

Something tells me gideon hasnt learned anything from his employer :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


http://hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...dex.php/about/
http://pinpoint.microsoft.com/en-CA/...rId=4297604664

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18986928)
I dont see a comment system on there. Where is it?

Anyway... this is the link to the site since GFY is now blocking the company: http://tinyurl.com/6s4kvun (no rick roll)

http://www.whatsoncentralcoast.com.a...-yellow210.jpg

Yo Theo, why is Akira Systems a banned term/URL?

Are they affiliated with uploading.com (AVN's content locker parent company)?

ADG

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 03:06 PM

See, some of you guys just lack reading comprehension. I'm not talking about USA-based companies who have any obligation at all dto do anything with a DMCA request, because the DMCA is not a law that applies to them, and there is instead a domestic process that you can follow to get the results you desire. If you can't comprehend that, then I welcome you ignoring me. The fact is, if someone sent you a request in german following a german copyright law expecting you to take action, you would be ill advised to do so. As others have learned the hard way, simply following the laws of a country you don't reside in can put you in even deeper trouble, as an ISP potentially losing your common carrier status. Like it or not, we aren't a One World Republic, and you're awfully short-sighted to think that USA laws are gospel to the world. You guys who blatantly misrepresent what I say are as crazy as my ex-wife, and I don't miss her either.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18987753)
$50 is an outrage considering sometimes you can send 100s of DMCAs to the same host for the same site, only to often have them rename the files and put them right back up later.

The problem is, there is no punishment for the infringing party. Why doesn't the host charge THEM $50 for every legit DMCA they have to remove? After all, it is their site. They stole it. They fucked up. They are the reason any of this is happening in the first place. Punish the site owner, not the content owner. Hosts make you pay for bandwidth overage, so why not have to pay for legit DMCAs sent to your site?

IMHO any company charging anything to the content owner for removing content is involved in piracy themselves, and probably on a fairly deep level. Otherwise they would pass the burden to the site owner / client.


I appreciate what you're trying to say, but you're missing the point. You sent the wrong form. How about instead of trying to bend the laws of other countries, or expecting some super special treatment, you just send the right form? The point is, the DMCA request is the wrong form. There is a right form and no administrative fee associated with it. And in my experience, most hosting companies ToS includes for recovery of costs in a violation case, but you still have to send the proper request.

CaptainHowdy 06-05-2012 03:26 PM

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

kane 06-05-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988105)
See, some of you guys just lack reading comprehension. I'm not talking about USA-based companies who have any obligation at all dto do anything with a DMCA request, because the DMCA is not a law that applies to them, and there is instead a domestic process that you can follow to get the results you desire. If you can't comprehend that, then I welcome you ignoring me. The fact is, if someone sent you a request in german following a german copyright law expecting you to take action, you would be ill advised to do so. As others have learned the hard way, simply following the laws of a country you don't reside in can put you in even deeper trouble, as an ISP potentially losing your common carrier status. Like it or not, we aren't a One World Republic, and you're awfully short-sighted to think that USA laws are gospel to the world. You guys who blatantly misrepresent what I say are as crazy as my ex-wife, and I don't miss her either.

This is a reasonable request. The $50 per take down is not.

If I send you a DMCA and you are not in the US you can simply point me to a url that has your countries legal take down process and the form I need to submit and tell me that I will need to fill that out and you will be glad to remove the link/content. But to just come back and say, "I am not in the US and don't fall under DMCA so I won't be responding to it, however, if you pay $50 per take down I'll remove it for you," is not cool. Where I grew up we called that blackmail.

Barefootsies 06-05-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 18987378)
Gideon must have timeshifted himself away from GFY in hopes that the heat dies down.


uniquemkt 06-05-2012 04:20 PM

The $50 wasn't per-takedown, but per-incorrectly-filed takedown. Not sending a link to the proper (likely free) method is a dick move, but I doubt it breaks any laws.

The DMCA is the US explicitly states that ISPs and hosting companies must accept the burden of any costs associated with DMCA requests, but this is not universal. Consider that in New Zealand, a rights holder can expect a fee of up to $25 for the host to recover costs related to processing a takedown request (http://www.med.govt.nz/business/inte...hts-owners.pdf if you'd like to read it).

Coming from a carrier background, the costs of handling these takedown requests aren't trivial, but failure to handle them (as a USA-based company) can result in the loss of common carrier status. Similarly, a company in another country needs to be very careful to follow their local laws to maintain that equivalent status, if you lose common carrier status you simply cannot exist as a host or ISP. Those guys may be opening themselves up to problems for accepting a DMCA request regardless of circumstance or payment...

kane 06-05-2012 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988227)
The $50 wasn't per-takedown, but per-incorrectly-filed takedown. Not sending a link to the proper (likely free) method is a dick move, but I doubt it breaks any laws.

The DMCA is the US explicitly states that ISPs and hosting companies must accept the burden of any costs associated with DMCA requests, but this is not universal. Consider that in New Zealand, a rights holder can expect a fee of up to $25 for the host to recover costs related to processing a takedown request (http://www.med.govt.nz/business/inte...hts-owners.pdf if you'd like to read it).

Coming from a carrier background, the costs of handling these takedown requests aren't trivial, but failure to handle them (as a USA-based company) can result in the loss of common carrier status. Similarly, a company in another country needs to be very careful to follow their local laws to maintain that equivalent status, if you lose common carrier status you simply cannot exist as a host or ISP. Those guys may be opening themselves up to problems for accepting a DMCA request regardless of circumstance or payment...

I understand the basic technicality of it, but to me the cost of these takes downs is part of doing business for the site. If you choose to be in a business where the people who use your site could post illegal stuff you need to understand that you might have to someday deal with that.

Brujah 06-05-2012 04:34 PM

Ouch, this is like stapling some paper together with a sledgehammer.

Tat2Jr 06-05-2012 04:41 PM

I don't have time to read this whole thread. Does it basically boil down to GFY just made fair use of his job? Karma slaps hard, and baby I like it!

Half man, Half Amazing 06-05-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988128)
I appreciate what you're trying to say, but you're missing the point. You sent the wrong form. How about instead of trying to bend the laws of other countries, or expecting some super special treatment, you just send the right form? The point is, the DMCA request is the wrong form. There is a right form and no administrative fee associated with it. And in my experience, most hosting companies ToS includes for recovery of costs in a violation case, but you still have to send the proper request.

http://fr33sp33k.h33t.com/index.php?topic=3137.msg16729

Just Alex 06-05-2012 05:19 PM

Shit, this tops legendary Frisky's pissing contest with some Turkish guy.
Dayyyymn. :helpme

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 18988251)
I understand the basic technicality of it, but to me the cost of these takes downs is part of doing business for the site. If you choose to be in a business where the people who use your site could post illegal stuff you need to understand that you might have to someday deal with that.

Well, almost. The cost must be absorbed by US-based companies, and while I won't claim to be up on the laws of every other country, I have provided one example where the law goes the other direction. International laws aren't convenient or consistent, but they're the laws that their citizens must abide by.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing (Post 18988308)

Saw this post, and it clearly outlines one way to serve them notice, and doesn't even mention the domestic process they are required to follow. Again, a dick move, but likely not breaking any laws by saying it. Remember that you can put anything you want in a "contract", but that doesn't mean it is enforceable. They call their process "DMCA compliant" which it clearly is not, but I doubt there is any ability to seek damages for that mistake.

Anyone know the country of origin for the site?

seeric 06-05-2012 05:29 PM

lol, could it be any more obvious that uniquemkt is gideon?

bahahahahahahahahaha.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 06-05-2012 05:29 PM



Is GG of Indian heritage?

Quote:

Aaron Jacques's Details
Eye Colour Green
Hair Colour Brown
Build Medium
Height 5' 10' (178 cm)
Occupation Trades/Services
Education College
Religion Christian
Ethnic Origin Indian
Sounds more like a Caucasian name, unless he assimilated at some point, although the pix I saw of the Jacque's family, certainly looked Indian.

ADG

L-Pink 06-05-2012 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 18988325)
lol, could it be any more obvious that uniquemkt is gideon?

bahahahahahahahahaha.

You got that right :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18988333)
You got that right :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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Disagree with me on my posts, don't attribute them to someone else, that probably breaks my copyright. I would ask that you read what I've typed and not try to re-interpret it though, but by all means quote me and lets talk.

kane 06-05-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 18988325)
lol, could it be any more obvious that uniquemkt is gideon?

bahahahahahahahahaha.

I don't think it is because Uniquemkt can actually put together a sentence. Gideon writes like a dyslexic 5th grader. However, I wouldn't be shocked if he is a friend or relative here to help limit the damage.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988340)
Disagree with me on my posts, don't attribute them to someone else, that probably breaks my copyright. I would ask that you read what I've typed and not try to re-interpret it though, but by all means quote me and lets talk.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks". Fuck you!

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 05:52 PM

Not sure why anyone is getting emotional over my posts, but so far there is a real lack of substance in it. Find something you disagree with, show me how I'm wrong (and actually wrong, not this-is-how-i-think-it-should-work wrong), and I'll be happy to agree.

So far in this thread, I've demonstrated how laws here aren't the same as laws elsewhere, how citizens of other countries are bound by the laws of that country and not by ours, how contracts can say things that they can't enforce, how other countries burden different parties in copyright notices, how common carrier status is more important to a service provider than your content is, and how a lot of people are hurting at the butt because they don't understand the situation or have re-written the text of posts in their head to mean something they disagree with. I haven't argued to free content or defended anyone who is making content available that it shouldn't or any of the offenses you guys are upset about, so I don't feel that a F-U is really appropriate.

Brujah 06-05-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 18988343)
I don't think it is because Uniquemkt can actually put together a sentence. Gideon writes like a dyslexic 5th grader. However, I wouldn't be shocked if he is a friend or relative here to help limit the damage.

That kind of damage control never helps, it only adds fuel to the fire. It keeps the topics bumped, and infuriates the angry even more so they continue their rampage.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988354)
Not sure why anyone is getting emotional over my posts, but so far there is a real lack of substance in it. Find something you disagree with, show me how I'm wrong (and actually wrong, not this-is-how-i-think-it-should-work wrong), and I'll be happy to agree.

So far in this thread, I've demonstrated how laws here aren't the same as laws elsewhere, how citizens of other countries are bound by the laws of that country and not by ours, how contracts can say things that they can't enforce, how other countries burden different parties in copyright notices, how common carrier status is more important to a service provider than your content is, and how a lot of people are hurting at the butt because they don't understand the situation or have re-written the text of posts in their head to mean something they disagree with. I haven't argued to free content or defended anyone who is making content available that it shouldn't or any of the offenses you guys are upset about, so I don't feel that a F-U is really appropriate.

Get off your high horse. Some of us have put up with this assholes shit, stealing and taunts for years. Bow out and watch from the sidelines. Unless of course you are involved with him. In which case fuck you, again.

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:03 PM

So what you're saying is, you don't have a problem with anything I've said, you just have a problem because it was problem day? In another thread I've asked for an example of him messing with someone's ability to make a living (opinions on a message board don't count), I'm guessing you aren't reading that one but I extend that request to you as well. From what I've read (granted I started reading roughly a year ago and only registered a few months back), he holds unpopular opinions and is vocal with them, but hasn't actually stolen anyone's content or otherwise hurt someone's ability to make a living. I'm an open minded person and I am open to being corrected if that happened, but I haven't seen it yet. Sorry if that means you won't like me either, but I still don't feel like your F-U is deserved.

baddog 06-05-2012 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18976104)
Uhhmmm....if you get a DMCA notice, take down the content. If you didn't create it, it's not yours. No big deal. It shouldn't be there in the first place. So just take it down.

Period.

Way too logical.

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus (Post 18976109)
whats wrong with just removing anything you are not licensed to use?

If you have stolen stuff on your site remove it and stop playing dumb games. If not, whats to stop someone from copying your entire site and reposting it under a very similar name.

He is time shifting it, you don't need a license for that. </sarcasm>

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 18981196)
two word fair use

Fair use allows me to use "your" content without a licence.

You trade away that exemption to get the government granted monopoly control that you need to survive.

:1orglaugh

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18988386)
..none off the important stuff got quoted, sorry...

I really suggest people read up on Fair Use and what it really means. GG may be going to far with it (i don't think a US court would agree that torrents qualify as a method to back up data), but the Fair Use exceptions do lay out scenerios where someone can use your content in various ways, some you'd probably rather they didn't. This is in fact part of the bargain you make when you copyright your works. This applied to the US, of course other countries will differ. Canada in particular has vastly different rules, partially because content producers get revenue from a piracy tax levied on recordable media and other devices.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988396)
I really suggest people read up on Fair Use and what it really means. GG may be going to far with it (i don't think a US court would agree that torrents qualify as a method to back up data), but the Fair Use exceptions do lay out scenerios where someone can use your content in various ways, some you'd probably rather they didn't. This is in fact part of the bargain you make when you copyright your works. This applied to the US, of course other countries will differ. Canada in particular has vastly different rules, partially because content producers get revenue from a piracy tax levied on recordable media and other devices.

Let me guess, you got your freetard membership card in the mail today.

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baddog 06-05-2012 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18987677)
Honestly $50 seems like a reasonable amount for taking a foreign-law request that doesn't apply to you and converting it to a domestic-law request, and authenticating said request to be sure that the requester is legally able to make that request. All you people getting butthurt are overlooking the simple fact that a DMCA request sent to any country other than the USA is the same as a postcard from Hawaii for any legal purposes. Offering to accept that totally invalid request for a small fee, or of course allowing the requester to use the appropriate process for the country in question without a fee, that seems pretty damn reasonable. This has nothing to do with harboring pirates or whatever other bullshit that people are trying to turn it into.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh - I have not read this entire thread (yet), but if there is any question that you are either GG or work for the same company, that has certainly been dispelled.


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