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kane 06-05-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric (Post 18988325)
lol, could it be any more obvious that uniquemkt is gideon?

bahahahahahahahahaha.

I don't think it is because Uniquemkt can actually put together a sentence. Gideon writes like a dyslexic 5th grader. However, I wouldn't be shocked if he is a friend or relative here to help limit the damage.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988340)
Disagree with me on my posts, don't attribute them to someone else, that probably breaks my copyright. I would ask that you read what I've typed and not try to re-interpret it though, but by all means quote me and lets talk.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks". Fuck you!

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 05:52 PM

Not sure why anyone is getting emotional over my posts, but so far there is a real lack of substance in it. Find something you disagree with, show me how I'm wrong (and actually wrong, not this-is-how-i-think-it-should-work wrong), and I'll be happy to agree.

So far in this thread, I've demonstrated how laws here aren't the same as laws elsewhere, how citizens of other countries are bound by the laws of that country and not by ours, how contracts can say things that they can't enforce, how other countries burden different parties in copyright notices, how common carrier status is more important to a service provider than your content is, and how a lot of people are hurting at the butt because they don't understand the situation or have re-written the text of posts in their head to mean something they disagree with. I haven't argued to free content or defended anyone who is making content available that it shouldn't or any of the offenses you guys are upset about, so I don't feel that a F-U is really appropriate.

Brujah 06-05-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18988343)
I don't think it is because Uniquemkt can actually put together a sentence. Gideon writes like a dyslexic 5th grader. However, I wouldn't be shocked if he is a friend or relative here to help limit the damage.

That kind of damage control never helps, it only adds fuel to the fire. It keeps the topics bumped, and infuriates the angry even more so they continue their rampage.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988354)
Not sure why anyone is getting emotional over my posts, but so far there is a real lack of substance in it. Find something you disagree with, show me how I'm wrong (and actually wrong, not this-is-how-i-think-it-should-work wrong), and I'll be happy to agree.

So far in this thread, I've demonstrated how laws here aren't the same as laws elsewhere, how citizens of other countries are bound by the laws of that country and not by ours, how contracts can say things that they can't enforce, how other countries burden different parties in copyright notices, how common carrier status is more important to a service provider than your content is, and how a lot of people are hurting at the butt because they don't understand the situation or have re-written the text of posts in their head to mean something they disagree with. I haven't argued to free content or defended anyone who is making content available that it shouldn't or any of the offenses you guys are upset about, so I don't feel that a F-U is really appropriate.

Get off your high horse. Some of us have put up with this assholes shit, stealing and taunts for years. Bow out and watch from the sidelines. Unless of course you are involved with him. In which case fuck you, again.

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:03 PM

So what you're saying is, you don't have a problem with anything I've said, you just have a problem because it was problem day? In another thread I've asked for an example of him messing with someone's ability to make a living (opinions on a message board don't count), I'm guessing you aren't reading that one but I extend that request to you as well. From what I've read (granted I started reading roughly a year ago and only registered a few months back), he holds unpopular opinions and is vocal with them, but hasn't actually stolen anyone's content or otherwise hurt someone's ability to make a living. I'm an open minded person and I am open to being corrected if that happened, but I haven't seen it yet. Sorry if that means you won't like me either, but I still don't feel like your F-U is deserved.

baddog 06-05-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18976104)
Uhhmmm....if you get a DMCA notice, take down the content. If you didn't create it, it's not yours. No big deal. It shouldn't be there in the first place. So just take it down.

Period.

Way too logical.

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Originally Posted by venus (Post 18976109)
whats wrong with just removing anything you are not licensed to use?

If you have stolen stuff on your site remove it and stop playing dumb games. If not, whats to stop someone from copying your entire site and reposting it under a very similar name.

He is time shifting it, you don't need a license for that. </sarcasm>

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 18981196)
two word fair use

Fair use allows me to use "your" content without a licence.

You trade away that exemption to get the government granted monopoly control that you need to survive.

:1orglaugh

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18988386)
..none off the important stuff got quoted, sorry...

I really suggest people read up on Fair Use and what it really means. GG may be going to far with it (i don't think a US court would agree that torrents qualify as a method to back up data), but the Fair Use exceptions do lay out scenerios where someone can use your content in various ways, some you'd probably rather they didn't. This is in fact part of the bargain you make when you copyright your works. This applied to the US, of course other countries will differ. Canada in particular has vastly different rules, partially because content producers get revenue from a piracy tax levied on recordable media and other devices.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988396)
I really suggest people read up on Fair Use and what it really means. GG may be going to far with it (i don't think a US court would agree that torrents qualify as a method to back up data), but the Fair Use exceptions do lay out scenerios where someone can use your content in various ways, some you'd probably rather they didn't. This is in fact part of the bargain you make when you copyright your works. This applied to the US, of course other countries will differ. Canada in particular has vastly different rules, partially because content producers get revenue from a piracy tax levied on recordable media and other devices.

Let me guess, you got your freetard membership card in the mail today.

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baddog 06-05-2012 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18987677)
Honestly $50 seems like a reasonable amount for taking a foreign-law request that doesn't apply to you and converting it to a domestic-law request, and authenticating said request to be sure that the requester is legally able to make that request. All you people getting butthurt are overlooking the simple fact that a DMCA request sent to any country other than the USA is the same as a postcard from Hawaii for any legal purposes. Offering to accept that totally invalid request for a small fee, or of course allowing the requester to use the appropriate process for the country in question without a fee, that seems pretty damn reasonable. This has nothing to do with harboring pirates or whatever other bullshit that people are trying to turn it into.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh - I have not read this entire thread (yet), but if there is any question that you are either GG or work for the same company, that has certainly been dispelled.

newB 06-05-2012 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988375)
So what you're saying is, you don't have a problem with anything I've said, you just have a problem because it was problem day? In another thread I've asked for an example of him messing with someone's ability to make a living (opinions on a message board don't count), I'm guessing you aren't reading that one but I extend that request to you as well. From what I've read (granted I started reading roughly a year ago and only registered a few months back), he holds unpopular opinions and is vocal with them, but hasn't actually stolen anyone's content or otherwise hurt someone's ability to make a living. I'm an open minded person and I am open to being corrected if that happened, but I haven't seen it yet. Sorry if that means you won't like me either, but I still don't feel like your F-U is deserved.

As far as I know he never stole anything, but he ADVOCATED the theft of content. Can't you imagine how that made those who made their livings off said content feel? As others have mentioned, he didn't do any business or other socializing here but seemed to show up for the sole purpose of spouting his drivel. Additionally he clings to his misguided interpretation of 'fair use' fervently despite being told how wrong he is on numerous occasions. All in all, he brought whatever happens upon himself.

For the record, I don't think you and him are the same person. His ramblings made my head hurt, and you obviously have some command of cognitively linking one sentence to the next.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18988399)
Let me guess, you got your freetard membership card in the mail today.

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Not sure why you would make that association, honestly. I haven't defended anyone's right to anything that aren't given to them by law, I'm just saying you might want to read up on the fair use exemption because it can affect your content.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988424)
Not sure why you would make that association, honestly. I haven't defended anyone's right to anything that aren't given to them by law, I'm just saying you might want to read up on the fair use exemption because it can affect your content.

I think your sole purpose posting here is to deflect attention from the real issue. Now fuck off!

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by newB (Post 18988416)
As far as I know he never stole anything, but he ADVOCATED the theft of content. Can't you imagine how that made those who made their livings off said content feel? As others have mentioned, he didn't do any business or other socializing here but seemed to show up for the sole purpose of spouting his drivel. Additionally he clings to his misguided interpretation of 'fair use' fervently despite being told how wrong he is on numerous occasions. All in all, he brought whatever happens upon himself.

For the record, I don't think you and him are the same person. His ramblings made my head hurt, and you obviously have some command of cognitively linking one sentence to the next.

This is more or less what I've seen. His opinions aren't popular and go against what most people believe in. I've said a few times, I don't agree that his version of "fair use" is compatible with US law, but it might actually be compatible with Canadian law in certain circumstances (II doubt those circumstances apply to anyone posting on GFY). Also, a LOT of people who are posting (including GG) don't appear to understand what copyright and fair use legislation actually provides, and its frustrating trying to make a point based in legislation with someone who is only reacting to their emotional response to what they think the law should be. Some of the things GG said really are legit based on US law; others, not so much.

I also agree that he seemed mostly like a one-topic kind of poster, although there were some exceptions.

What I don't agree with is that his opinions or advocacy was a tangible detriment to anyone's ability to make a living, and I don't agree that people going after his job is a fair response to an unpopular opinion. We can disagree on that, and I won't tattle on you.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18988427)
I think your sole purpose posting here is to deflect attention from the real issue. Now fuck off!

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No, the real issue is that people don't understand copyright laws in different countries (and most don't understand them in the US either) and are making uneducated statements about them anyway.

PS - It might be easier to add "fuck off" to your sig so you don't have to keep typing it. I'd much rather you brought some substance to the discussion instead though.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988433)
No, the real issue is that people don't understand copyright laws in different countries (and most don't understand them in the US either) and are making uneducated statements about them anyway.

PS - It might be easier to add "fuck off" to your sig so you don't have to keep typing it. I'd much rather you brought some substance to the discussion instead though.

So start a fucking new thread.

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bhutocracy 06-05-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988431)
What I don't agree with is that his opinions or advocacy was a tangible detriment to anyone's ability to make a living, and I don't agree that people going after his job is a fair response to an unpopular opinion. We can disagree on that, and I won't tattle on you.

Memo to you: No one gives the smallest ratfuck what you think.

Just FYI, hope that helps you understand.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 18988444)
Memo to you: No one gives the smallest ratfuck what you think.

Just FYI, hope that helps you understand.

That's fine, I extend that courtesy to you as well.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18988435)
So start a fucking new thread.

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No, this is actually the topic of this thread.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988447)
No, this is actually the topic of this thread.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Get a clue.


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bhutocracy 06-05-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988446)
That's fine, I extend that courtesy to you as well.

The difference being that I already know that, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that this isn't the case or trolling on a 2 month old account. I suppose you're bumping the thread with his personal information in it and compounding the harm to him so either way it's not all useless :thumbsup

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18988451)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Get a clue.


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Ok, this is my chance to get some insight into tthe mind of L-Pink: What do you think this thread is about?

L-Pink 06-05-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988455)
Ok, this is my chance to get some insight into tthe mind of L-Pink: What do you think this thread is about?

This thread is about taunting content/property owners just like the last 5 years of GG's posts. Everyone knows that but you.

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 18988454)
The difference being that I already know that, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that this isn't the case or trolling on a 2 month old account. I suppose you're bumping the thread with his personal information in it and compounding the harm to him so either way it's not all useless :thumbsup

Nah I'm just not an advocate for spreading misinformation, or for getting people fired for bullshit reasons... And my account is 4 months old for the calendar-impaired. For what its worth, it does seem like the posting of that information and the related firestorm is a ban-able offense (gfy rules #9 and #10, link at the bottom of the page), but GFY mods don't seem to mind.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18988459)
This thread is about taunting content/property owners just like the last 5 years of GG's posts. Everyone knows that but you.

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Kind of like my ex-wife, projecting your personal reality doesn't change the real world. This thread was about a foreign website asking for recuperation of costs associated with an invalid copyright takedown request, and wrongly presenting that as the only means of having content removed.

kane 06-05-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988461)
Nah I'm just not an advocate for spreading misinformation, or for getting people fired for bullshit reasons... And my account is 4 months old for the calendar-impaired. For what its worth, it does seem like the posting of that information and the related firestorm is a ban-able offense (gfy rules #9 and #10, link at the bottom of the page), but GFY mods don't seem to mind.

I'm pretty confident Gideon has not been fired. I would guess if people really did contact his employer they told him to get off this board and try to get the links to their site pulled and he can stay. He scrambled, got the links pulled and now is gone.

L-Pink 06-05-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988463)
Kind of like my ex-wife, projecting your personal reality doesn't change the real world. This thread was about a foreign website asking for recuperation of costs associated with an invalid copyright takedown request, and wrongly presenting that as the only means of having content removed.

That's not WHY it was posted. You remain clueless. G'night.

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18988468)
I'm pretty confident Gideon has not been fired. I would guess if people really did content them they told him to get off this board and try to get the links to their site pulled and he can stay. He scrambled, got the links pulled and now is gone.

I hope this is the case, For the record, I wouldn't have much of an issue with running him off the board, deleting his posts, or whatever. Its a privately owned web site with commercial purposes, and commercial speech is not protected by the first amendment. It would show a level of intolerance that seems to be expected on GFY, but such is the internet.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18988470)
That's not WHY it was posted. You remain clueless. G'night.

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Not sure I'm going to get into a metaphysical read-between-the-lines i-know-what-you're-thinking type of discussion, I loaned my divining crystals at a friend's house so I can only see the actual content.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 06-05-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by camtata (Post 18983420)

looks like our fair use aficionado is or was a child porn spammer:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=140529

(envelope-sender <[email protected]>)
for <my email address>; 6 jun 2003 19:14:32 -0000
date: Sat, 07 jun 2003 09:35:34 gmt
from: Gomes fasikop <[email protected]>
to: My email address
message-id: <[email protected]>
subject: New lolitas sites !

Hi, dear drochers...
I found most hot and semi-legal site in world!

There are many lolitas photos never seen before
more than 30 nude childrens...

WTF? I'm amazed that anyone is defending him if that is indeed from GG's website. :disgust

ADG

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 18988479)
WTF? I'm amazed that anyone is defending him if that is indeed from GG's website. :disgust

ADG

Was this actually confirmed as coming from GG? I looked for any sort of confirmation and didn't find anything. I will say that its kind of odd that people would say he isn't in porn and at the same time that he runs kiddie porn sites. Numerous times in this thread it has been pointed out that GG is not in the industry. Can we get a consensus on this?

bhutocracy 06-05-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988461)
GFY mods don't seem to mind.

Take the hint.

bean-aid 06-05-2012 07:55 PM

I also enjoy talking in third person... carry on.

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 18988526)
Take the hint.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings too much to get kicked off, I wasted too much time on here today as it is. Thanks for the support though! :thumbsup

papill0n 06-05-2012 07:59 PM

well done uniquemkt i thought we were down a fucking idiot but apparently not :1orglaugh

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 06-05-2012 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner (Post 18988530)

I also enjoy talking in third person... carry on.

http://i.qkme.me/eno.jpg

I believe that you meant to say, "Beaner enjoys talking in the third person... carry on." :fart

ADG

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 18988539)
well done uniquemkt i thought we were down a fucking idiot but apparently not :1orglaugh

Are you going to point out something I said that was incorrect, or are you just on your period and need to lash out?

uniquemkt 06-05-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 18988542)
http://i.qkme.me/eno.jpg

I believe that you meant to say, "Beaner enjoys talking in the third person... carry on." :fart

ADG

Good catch.

sarettah 06-05-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 18988485)
that he runs ****** p**n sites. Numerous times in this thread it has been pointed out that GG is not in the industry.

1. Those are two differnt things. Those that do that are not part of this industry as far as at least I am concerned.

2. Watch the fucking terms you use in your posts. You will see the ban hammer come down quick.

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uniquemkt 06-05-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18988551)
1. Those are two differnt things. Those that do that are not part of this industry as far as at least I am concerned.

2. Watch the fucking terms you use in your posts. You will see the ban hammer come down quick.

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The rules are pretty clear on #2 there, and I believe I was well within the rules. People claiming he was involved in that material, however, are in clear violation of rule #7, link at the bottom of the page.

And #1 might be a technicality, but I'll accept it. Still wondering if there was any confirmation on that, as it would have been grounds for immediate banning per that rule #7, and a much more efficient method of getting rid of him.


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