maybe the 12 year old girl isnt crying enough ...

Read this

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19002170#post19002170

Lol at the FBI part..

People are shitting their pants cause FBI controlling every person around the world is going to catch them for opening email, naming a file suspiciously, loading a suspicious site or talking about such sites.

You are like little pussies with tight assholes scared to open a file even just out of curiosity cause FBI might get you. :1orglaugh

Do you also close your eyes when they show pictures of murdered people in the TV? Those are horrible as well..

Just because the file name is connected to CP does not mean the video is actually CP. I am pretty sure (and yes tested it myself) most of the files are absolutely legal porn movies.

If I reported every activity connected somehow to underage girls/zoo/piracy , someone mentioning it somewhere and such to our police department, they would need 1000x more employees just to check the reports, yet it would not be interesting and worth the effort for them as the priority are the organized groups of pedos producing the materials and profiting from them.

Some people are just retarded.

CCbill are bringing the whole adult industry into disrepute here. I am amazed that a couple of idiots are saying we should support tham and help them out. Jesus.

I am sure AVN are stoked that CP is being openly discussed on half of the threads on their forum. It would not be so bad if the unamimous opinion of the board was against CCbill.

For an industry with a significant difficulty of being accepted by the morally indignant majority this is the last thing we need.

This problem here is 100% with ccbill. No one else is at fault.

:2 cents:

Fuck.... I can't believe...

Okay.... who do you suggest me to use as payment processor ?
At first I was aiming at Verotel, but since they changed their conditions - I decided to go with them - still did not made account with them tho.

I could not care less who you use as a processor. There are lots to choose from.

Try google.


:thumbsup

Go for Epoch https://www.epoch.com

I have the same question for PayPal.

You should start a new thread about, "looking for non-piracy payment processor" and then see who of them have the courage to reply. I know that Zombaio processes for piracy sites as well.

That is a valid point and obviously I didn't think about that.
For me it is clear I am never going to send any screenshots of the actual movies rather then the webpage where it is hosted. I will take this with me for the next report.

Thanks Brad.
I think DWB inspired people here that if we actually form a front and follow up on these horrible facts we can make the difference.
It doesn't take long or complicated searches to find such content, it is right up for grabs which worries me the most.

While I agree that outing CCBill on a public forum isn't the prettiest way to do so I see no other effective alternatives right now. I just hope everyone can dedicate a few minutes of their time and report this to the proper contacts, if that doesn't help let's use GFY as a way to get things done.

In the Netherlands we have a special department of the national police (KLPD) who deals with this. Though I have to say that since we had a very large pedophile case here in the Netherlands almost all resources at the police are currently being used, leaving little to no resources left for things like this.

In terms of ceasing services, in our terms and conditions we have statements that in case any CP related complaints come in all connectivity will be disabled and the proper authorities will be contacted. I have to say though that AdultEUhost never ever got a single complaint about CP, I think that has to do with our KYC policy before we even take you on board as a customer. Verifying one's history in this industry is fairly simple.

Webgurl FTW!!!!!!!

Let's get this straight. This isn't only about what is and isn't legal. It's also and more about a lot of sites seem to get a green card to abuse certain processors TOS. I'm sure CCbill don't allow words that can be linked to a number of types of porn they like. not what is or isn't legal. It's down to what CCbill, Visa, MC, Epoch, Paypal and a lot of others want to do business with.

Robbie can't use the word "forced" and CCbill came down on him.

Aaron has a point. How we inform CCbill has to be got right. "Look into this" is a good header for the email. Then tell them what the screen grabs are of, just a picture of the header text and tell them to take action.

Then we can judge that response.

Isn't this the third pirate site that CCbill is supporting?
Good job on being a HUGE part of the piracy problem!

We are moving them to the end of the cascades until some policies change.

And now CCBill has turned processing back on for Uploaded.to - Fucking great.

Paul, Mark, Sean and Ron, what the hell are you guys doing over there in Phoenix?

I bet this is now being discussed at the top floor meeting room.

circ. 2007

IF you're going to read this post, please read my WHOLE post.


Without judging Tom so harshly, I agree with Pat. A great response would have looked like what Pat wrote. I'm going to guess that Tom isn't in the abuse department, otherwise I would expect a more polished response from his experience and training.

It is incredible hard, especially in an organization of hundreds of employees, to have everyone trained to handle situations identically. At the end of the day, people are human and prone to error. Documentation in human resources and coaching by a supervisor are appropriate if historical job performance is positive. When employees make aggregious errors, then they get terminated. I judge Tom's response as incomplete and sounding ungracious but realize he isn't likely trained for such situations and probably just wrote a quick response before forwarding this on internally to an appropriate department for follow through.

I am frustrated, concerned and maddened by the existence of this unfolding situation - but in a bigger sense, not just with one processor. At the same time, I do feel encouraged. I am very happy to see people working together to discover, document and report to billing and hosting entities and appropriate authorities. I think if enough of this is done collaboratively that a difference will be made on the internet. Increased "self policing" efforts will of course better protect children, something this industry has always done but rarely gets credit for. We are collectively positioned to also benefit from dramatic decreases in copyright infringement. We can create a scenario where these sites will have little or no place to go for hosting or processing. If authorities are properly engaged their owners won't be able to go home, either.

I have always done my best to make a positive difference by doing good business. I can say from experience it does get harder in volume of clients and web sites - not harder to "do good business" but absolutely more difficult now that it is not possible for me to have interaction with every new customer, even with amazing staff. I will be reflecting on what more I can do to help.

The most productive actions will be those focused on the people who are knowingly complicit with breaking law. They are the criminals, it is they who professionally obfuscate corporate information, online presence and everything else. Like any thief or criminal mind, every action of theirs is *premeditated* to defraud their vendors and fly under the radar as long as possible in between vendor "change ups".

After a dozen years of friendship with the Cadwells and key CCBill employees I am not overnight going to be a fickle (definition: Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments; capricious) friend. I do not accept that they are complicit (definition: Involvement as an accomplice in a questionable act or a crime). I will not argue about "could have done this" or "should have done that" differently. I don't believe for a New York second either Ron or Stephanie as owners would not cease processing or hosting upon discovery of criminal activity or any activity which does not meet the compliance requirements of card associations.

Further, that with a group of companies that has more than 400 employees that I will reserve judgment based on their actions to follow. It is logistically, procedurally and organizationally difficult to "know everything" and impossible to root out all future unknown actions by clients IN SCALE. CCBill has scale: hundreds of employees, billions of dollars processed, tens of thousands of clients, hundreds of thousands of affiliates. I believe they have done an admirable job for our industry. Nobody could show me any company with this reach historically who has done better. It seems clear to me that CCBill needs to make a new, concerted effort to proactively find and terminate this type of activity. I think they need to release a more thorough statement to customers and the industry to address what efforts and changes will be made internally and compliment that with educational information to help us all better understand how to effect change.

This type of activity exists at dozens of processors and I would make an educated guess that it more profoundly exists elsewhere. Let's (you, me, everyone) publicly discuss organizing data collection, where information needs to be sent and how information needs to be formatted (presented) so that we can effect change. Thoughts?

Brad

Looks like the money whores in Tempe are declaring war on the content producers of the industry that enabled those riches. Game on :))

:2 cents:

I don't get it. There are so many trigger words that CCBill and other processors look out for, so how can they allow repeated flaunting of their rules with no action. Surely they must decide which side of the fence they want to be on. Either be ruthless and just take any money that comes their way (so that we can knowingly avoid them), or stick to their rules and disallow their use on these sites.

should have never posted this here

I look forward to a "60 Minutes" interview with executives from Visa/MasterCard/paypal about their logos appearing as methods of payment on child porn join links.

Hopefully their answer will be they terminated a rogue processor named CCbill.

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Exactly. It seems two sets of rules apply.

We need to step up the game.

Some like BlackCrayon are terrified that it might rebound on us. Well we need to grow a set of balls and take these guys on. CCbill going back to processing for them shows that we do need to step up the game.

Now that CCbill has been made aware of multiple instances of child porn on uploaded.to, they removed processing only long enough to remove 2 of the 3 links that I sent them, then they re-activated processing again. As of today, they know exactly what that site is doing and they re-activated processing. Doesn't that now make them involved? How can anyone from that company claim they are innocent after today?

Sure, before it was brought to their attention it could be argued, that I agree, but now the can of worms is open and they know, yet they process for them anyway, after they were caught with child porn. Boggles the mind and defies all logic.

CCbill even sent me an email today telling me not to inform anyone at their company of such content or send them links in any manner. And this came after a high up CCbill employee ASKED ME FOR LINKS in regards to the Oron situation just a few days ago. So they have clearly had a meeting about this and now have a policy in place, which is don't send us any links or anything about the content, we are sticking our head in the sand.

What this says is to the industry is, "Yea, we know they were selling child porn but the couple of links you pointed out are now gone so we will continue to do business with them anyway. Tough shit. In the meantime we're going to stick our heads in the sand, tell you it's illegal for you to send us links to content we process for, and we're going to fuel the jet so we can meet up with Chris Mallick, because we hear he's good at planning exit strategies."

That is the message I heard today.

Brad, I can not imagine for one second that you would allow one of your clients to continue to host with you if they were found to be selling child porn.

So CCBill is tryng its best to use denial. This is just sad and CCBill shoul;d be ashamed. They are now back processing for the one we got taken down yesterday? It seems that CCBill is just going to be greedy instead of decent.

With this going on and with people reporting them to VISA/MC you would think they would be smart enough to get a clue....apparently they arent.

Who do you guys recommend as a U.S. alternative?

That is a good idea. However, you have to count on keeping ccbill out of the loop as they do not want any information regarding such content sent to anyone who works at their company. This is what they sent me today via email:

I replied asking for the contact of the law enforcement agent/agency they deal with so that we can handle such issues quickly. They have yet to reply. To be honest, I'm not expecting a reply. Which would be unfortunate, as that means we have to get the FBI involved, which could get very messy for all parties. That said, I will give them a day or two to respond and hope they come through with someone I should deal with who is already dealing with them directly.

I know Epoch does not play games such as this. And I know Segpay pulled processing for some file hosts, but I am unsure if they pull it for all of them. But yes, if there is a way to organize this a little better and deal with it all via the proper channels, so long as they are productive channels, I am all for it.

I wonder what would happen if some of those bestiality videos on these filelockers would have MC and Visa and PayPal logos appearing in them.... imagine someone finding a file like that and sending the link to Visa... :winkwink:

This seems like an act of desperation to me.

"Mors Ante Infamiam" - Lucius Annaeus Seneca




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Just talked to Segpay who says they pulled ALL billing for file sharing sites. :thumbsup

for sure no one of you use ccbill for their billing right?

i mean, you all knew that how this works, and now due one guy made a thread everybody bitchin?

it's a common knowledge that how ccbill works...

Gimme a break, what would you expect? "No Mr. DWB of course we keep processing for file lockers fuck you and your ethics"

Epoch - Ask for Harmik, Anthony or Frank

epoch is great

AGAIN: As I said in other threads concerning this matter. Ccbill knows exactly what they are doing.

They comb through every site that they must approve before processing starts.

Ccbill bill has been caught. They will only remove the client once it is discovered and someone complains about it just to save face.

It now appears they are most likely processing for hundreds of file locker sites and sites that offer our stolen content, illegal cp and much more.

I will be seeing this on the news soon once Sheriff Joe Arpaio raids ccbill.

Wow.. I am almost speechless. The fact that they started processing for them again, blows me away. I do believe it is time to start dedicating a couple hours of each day, compiling a list of offending websites processed with ccbill. P*do, piracy, whatever is against Visas rules. Then send it to someone who really wants it :)

Awesome work SegPay!

I've used CCbill for 10 years and had no idea they processed for child porn. In fact, they only bust my balls for the dumbest shit imaginable on my sites so I was under the impression they gave a shit about who and what they processed for. If CCbill processing for child porn is common knowledge, I didn't get the memo.


I remembered they pulled processing for Oron and thought it was all file lockers, then they confirmed what I thought to be correct.

Do you have information that proves otherwise? If not, why stir up shit?

Many of these files probably contain legal porn with a misleading title.

However forget the content, the words alone should be enough to raise red flags. The connotation that goes along with them is of terrible abuse of real victims and that alone should be enough for a company with any decency to take action.

CCBill are acting unconscionably in this regard, so much so that it beggars belief.

If I was Tom from CCbill I would be absolutely delighted to spend the rest of my day reporting this shit left and right. It would make my day to shut down processing for anybody involved. No way would I reply like this. I cant imagine replying like this to a CP accusation involving the company I work for :mad:

This is a fucking joke....

Lets see if this one is temporary or if they reactivate. They are also pulling the form within an iframe which I believe is against ccbill rules.

http://i2.lulzimg.com/06c1f32cb0.jpg

Woohoo, but then again uploaded.to was also back after a day

Giving you this link for a second time - read it please :2 cents:

Interesting, thanks.

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Not sure why you guys are still reporting to ccbill after bullshit like that response, and turning the original offender back on.

I would immediately move to reporting to visa/mc that ccbill is processing for these sites, and that way the complete fucking assholes at ccbill can then take it up the ass from visa/mc.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that ccbill email, passed to visa, got more than one person at ccbill fired.

Brad, I met you with 3xTom in Vegas, and I liked you. I am a Mojohost customer. Even if I were not, I think you have integrity.

But I also think you are wrong in regards to CCBill. I think it's been proven enough recently on this board alone that they are processing for things that are not compliant with card regulations.

I also think that they are pissing in the faces of small programs that made them a fortune. In those instances, they may not be processing anything criminal or non compliant. But they are profiting from stolen works.

Just because they were a trusted company for a long time doesn't mean that their stance of hiding behind DMCA is any better than someplace like Pirate Bay or a ton of file sharing lockers doing it.

"This second company (IWest) had their headquarters in Israel and did their billing through Israeli banks which were aware of the scheme (until Visa withdrew the license from some Israeli banks, some have even settled for CCBill for whom it did not matter what was paid for, the main focus being that money was moving. Some Russian / Israeli citizens were never particularly choosy...). There was no problem to bill for any kind images, and the hosting of nude images was not a particular problem for these companies - let alone for the Non Nude Models. At this time almost 100% of the websites were hosted in the United States because it was the only place where it was affordable. The Web sites have generated such traffic, that a human being can hardly imagine how big the interest really is. I have the 2001 statistics of a website containing naked pictures of children and adolescents. During the month of June 2001, a total of 200 million visits to the site took place (this is not page views, but unique visitors but on a daily scale - it is likely that a good part of visitors this month visited the site on many days and have been counted multiple times. My estimate is that there were about 15 million unique visitors during this month). The ratio between visitors and buyers, however, is very small. The same site in June 2001 a turnover of approximately U.S. $ 60,000 made at a price of about $ 30 which is approximately 2000 customers. Even Web sites that still exist, such as Met-Art.com bought productions in 2000 with 11-14 year old girls, and everything was billed through the very serious CCBill (this series are no longer at Met-Art Journal)."

So Visa knew in 2001 already that CCBill processes for CP sites. I think the problem is at Visa/MC, they're the ones who need to clean up their act and tell all the processors they work with to stop processing for anything that smells like piracy or CP.

It is wrong to attack and blame CCBill for this. It is an issue for CCBill's to deal with of course, but mostly is filefactorys fault for hosting it, and the fault of the sick pervert who shot it.

Since we know that the pervert shooter won't co operate, and probably neither will File Factory, the only entity you can turn to is CCBill who IS a member in good standing of the adult community and who HAS shown they give a fuck. People who trash CCBill for things like this sound like idiots with zero credibility.

Want to report CP? Send an email to CCBill asking how to properly report it. CC it to Tim over at ASACP too as I am sure they want to know. Don't include links, screenshots, descriptions. "CP" is all they need to hear. Give them time to get back to you, and email them again in case they don't respond quickly enough. If you want to protect yourself, CC your lawyer for the heck of it.

Then let everyone respond with correct instructions on what to do.

In the end you will have the offending site crippled, CCBill will give you a big wet sloppy kiss on the mouth, and the world will be a slightly better place for your efforts.

I'm just curious, has anyone sent CCBill a purport DMCA notice lately? That IS the legal way to handle piracy.