Just talked to Segpay who says they pulled ALL billing for file sharing sites. :thumbsup

for sure no one of you use ccbill for their billing right?

i mean, you all knew that how this works, and now due one guy made a thread everybody bitchin?

it's a common knowledge that how ccbill works...

Gimme a break, what would you expect? "No Mr. DWB of course we keep processing for file lockers fuck you and your ethics"

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AGAIN: As I said in other threads concerning this matter. Ccbill knows exactly what they are doing.

They comb through every site that they must approve before processing starts.

Ccbill bill has been caught. They will only remove the client once it is discovered and someone complains about it just to save face.

It now appears they are most likely processing for hundreds of file locker sites and sites that offer our stolen content, illegal cp and much more.

I will be seeing this on the news soon once Sheriff Joe Arpaio raids ccbill.

Wow.. I am almost speechless. The fact that they started processing for them again, blows me away. I do believe it is time to start dedicating a couple hours of each day, compiling a list of offending websites processed with ccbill. P*do, piracy, whatever is against Visas rules. Then send it to someone who really wants it :)

Awesome work SegPay!

I've used CCbill for 10 years and had no idea they processed for child porn. In fact, they only bust my balls for the dumbest shit imaginable on my sites so I was under the impression they gave a shit about who and what they processed for. If CCbill processing for child porn is common knowledge, I didn't get the memo.


I remembered they pulled processing for Oron and thought it was all file lockers, then they confirmed what I thought to be correct.

Do you have information that proves otherwise? If not, why stir up shit?

Many of these files probably contain legal porn with a misleading title.

However forget the content, the words alone should be enough to raise red flags. The connotation that goes along with them is of terrible abuse of real victims and that alone should be enough for a company with any decency to take action.

CCBill are acting unconscionably in this regard, so much so that it beggars belief.

If I was Tom from CCbill I would be absolutely delighted to spend the rest of my day reporting this shit left and right. It would make my day to shut down processing for anybody involved. No way would I reply like this. I cant imagine replying like this to a CP accusation involving the company I work for :mad:

This is a fucking joke....

Lets see if this one is temporary or if they reactivate. They are also pulling the form within an iframe which I believe is against ccbill rules.

http://i2.lulzimg.com/06c1f32cb0.jpg

Woohoo, but then again uploaded.to was also back after a day

Giving you this link for a second time - read it please :2 cents:

Interesting, thanks.

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Not sure why you guys are still reporting to ccbill after bullshit like that response, and turning the original offender back on.

I would immediately move to reporting to visa/mc that ccbill is processing for these sites, and that way the complete fucking assholes at ccbill can then take it up the ass from visa/mc.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that ccbill email, passed to visa, got more than one person at ccbill fired.

Brad, I met you with 3xTom in Vegas, and I liked you. I am a Mojohost customer. Even if I were not, I think you have integrity.

But I also think you are wrong in regards to CCBill. I think it's been proven enough recently on this board alone that they are processing for things that are not compliant with card regulations.

I also think that they are pissing in the faces of small programs that made them a fortune. In those instances, they may not be processing anything criminal or non compliant. But they are profiting from stolen works.

Just because they were a trusted company for a long time doesn't mean that their stance of hiding behind DMCA is any better than someplace like Pirate Bay or a ton of file sharing lockers doing it.

"This second company (IWest) had their headquarters in Israel and did their billing through Israeli banks which were aware of the scheme (until Visa withdrew the license from some Israeli banks, some have even settled for CCBill for whom it did not matter what was paid for, the main focus being that money was moving. Some Russian / Israeli citizens were never particularly choosy...). There was no problem to bill for any kind images, and the hosting of nude images was not a particular problem for these companies - let alone for the Non Nude Models. At this time almost 100% of the websites were hosted in the United States because it was the only place where it was affordable. The Web sites have generated such traffic, that a human being can hardly imagine how big the interest really is. I have the 2001 statistics of a website containing naked pictures of children and adolescents. During the month of June 2001, a total of 200 million visits to the site took place (this is not page views, but unique visitors but on a daily scale - it is likely that a good part of visitors this month visited the site on many days and have been counted multiple times. My estimate is that there were about 15 million unique visitors during this month). The ratio between visitors and buyers, however, is very small. The same site in June 2001 a turnover of approximately U.S. $ 60,000 made at a price of about $ 30 which is approximately 2000 customers. Even Web sites that still exist, such as Met-Art.com bought productions in 2000 with 11-14 year old girls, and everything was billed through the very serious CCBill (this series are no longer at Met-Art Journal)."

So Visa knew in 2001 already that CCBill processes for CP sites. I think the problem is at Visa/MC, they're the ones who need to clean up their act and tell all the processors they work with to stop processing for anything that smells like piracy or CP.

It is wrong to attack and blame CCBill for this. It is an issue for CCBill's to deal with of course, but mostly is filefactorys fault for hosting it, and the fault of the sick pervert who shot it.

Since we know that the pervert shooter won't co operate, and probably neither will File Factory, the only entity you can turn to is CCBill who IS a member in good standing of the adult community and who HAS shown they give a fuck. People who trash CCBill for things like this sound like idiots with zero credibility.

Want to report CP? Send an email to CCBill asking how to properly report it. CC it to Tim over at ASACP too as I am sure they want to know. Don't include links, screenshots, descriptions. "CP" is all they need to hear. Give them time to get back to you, and email them again in case they don't respond quickly enough. If you want to protect yourself, CC your lawyer for the heck of it.

Then let everyone respond with correct instructions on what to do.

In the end you will have the offending site crippled, CCBill will give you a big wet sloppy kiss on the mouth, and the world will be a slightly better place for your efforts.

I'm just curious, has anyone sent CCBill a purport DMCA notice lately? That IS the legal way to handle piracy.

Start including CCBill on all DMCA notices for content on any file locker sites they do processing for. Bury them under DMCA notices.

this is some serious shit, it is fixed yet?

Come on, you're smarter than that. DMCA is a fucking joke and everybody knows it.

At best, sending a DMCA notice merely initiates yet another futile round of whac-a-mole. It's like pissing in the wind.

Even if you don't know this, CCBill sure as hell does.
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Lol, just lol.
How deep in someone's asshole can someone be.

Visa is fully aware of what is going on and how their card is being used. Were you born yesterday? No, you weren't. It was the day before yesterday that you were born.

VISA knows EXACTLY what every company - and what every private citizen - is doing with their fancy little card. Every cent they process is accounted for. Every purchase you make is recorded. Its all in a database and readily available to anyone with a search warrant and a S.W.A.T. team. VISA has records of every single transaction ever made.

VISA KNOWS exactly what people are using their card for. Every. Single. Cent.

VISA is in the business of sucking every last penny out of everyone that they can get their hands on. You think they give a flying fuck about "morals", or what might be legal in one specific country?

VISA is bigger than the government of The United States of America. Deal with it. Yet VISA is a dead company walking. "Financial Institutions" (not American "financial insitutions") Real banks, from real countries. Banks that are based out of countries that aren't dying... Real banks are going to start excluding VISA and MASTERCARD from their options soon enough.

Why would any sane business agree to give to VISA 2 or 3 percent of their profits when they can issue their own debit cards and collect those fees themsleves?

VISA is dead. MasterCard is dead. It'll take awhile.

The crux of the biscuit is this: Not one institution will ever care who gets hurt.

TLDR

Just follow Tom's instructions. End of story.

Theres always the whistleblowerproject, 60 minutes...and many more interested parties. I presume.

Sorry but I don't agree. Everybody knows what filelockers are being used for. So when a payment processor accepts a file locker, they know they'll be processing for CP and other illegal crap.

What is comes down to is that everybody can start making money from CP today and get away with just as long as they use the filelocker construction;

- Filelocker is registered on some fake name and address, for example Oron.com was registered on the address of a hotel in Luxembourg for years.

- The server is registered on a fake name and address as well. You can get a server at LeaseWeb instantly, you give them fake details, they won't double check it and they don't ask for a copy of your passport.

- Then the people uploading content to your server are anonymous as well. Someone uploading CP will probably use a VPN.

So there you are as a hosting provider, making millions from a filelocker like this, and you're untouchable because it's not your site and not your server.

The payment processor makes money from it as well, but is untouchable it's not their site and not their server.

At the same time nobody can take action against the site- or server owner because he's hiding behind a fake name and address. When the police jumps on it, all they can do is order the hosting provider to deactivate the server. Then the asshole behind it orders a new server under another fake name and starts all over again.

So where do you go next? To the next company that is involved and that isn't hiding behind a fake address, in this case CCBill and/or the hosting provider, I would say.

EVERYTHING about this filelocker construction is ILLEGAL. Then when people want to criticize the companies that are involved they have to follow the rules and procedures? How about CCBill following the procedures also known as the law? Production, distribution, storage and financing of CP is illegal and by processing payments, they provide with a means to finance it, so they're violating the law. They wouldn't if they really didn't know what these filelockers are being used for, but after today they do know.

Apart from all this there's a moral issue. If you were a hosting provider or payment processor, would you accept a filelocker as your client? I really hope that most of them don't. If that's correct, then the few ones who do accept them as a client, shouldn't cry when they get criticized for it. If you don't want to get fried for being involved with CP, just stay away from it as far as you can. CCBill couldn't do that because when they smelled the money and couldn't resist the greed. Some people just are like that, they' would pimp their own kids if it would pay well enough.

As we say in Holland; if you burn your ass you have to sit on the blisters.

AND I think you have a saying in the USA: if you can't do the job, don't do it.

hard to say, the previous reported file locked got suspended but was reinstated within 24 hours. So i guess it depends on what you see as "fixed" :(

I would like to add some useful information to this thread.

1. If you happen across suspected cp please report this to ASACP.

Here is the link:

http://www.asacp.org/index.php?content=report

You can also report suspected cp to these hotlines:

NCMEC - http://www.missingkids.com
InHope - http://www.inhope.org
CyberTip - http://www.cybertip.ca

ASACP sends it's reports to the above hotlines as well as others... and directly to relevant LE contacts.

2. It is never a good idea to post threads that discuss suspected cp activity to open boards. This can have negative consequences and can even potentially impact an investigation that may already be in progress. The best course of action is to always report the suspected activity to ASACP and /or one or more of the hotlines above. Your report will be investigated and action will be taken if the report is valid.

3. When reporting suspected cp it is important to know what to do and what not to do in order to protect yourself from inadvertently breaking any laws.

- do not download / save content (images/video)
- do not transmit content
- do not re-visit a suspected site to make note of information missed when you first found it...even for the purpose of reporting.

Report the URL(s) along with any other information you notice.

Please see this PSA for more information...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vCf_tmcGR-Q

By taking the above steps you will ensure that your report(s) gets the most expedient attention by those that can act upon it and you will be protecting yourself from potential legal pitfalls.

Thanks for the info Tim

Something in the water in Arizona
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071376

Ah fuck it. Just deleted what I wrote. This is about ccbill doing the right thing, not sponsors trying to protect there biz and *possibly* doing the wrong thing by your standards

Sounds to me Timbo you have to have a pow wow with someone at ccbill.
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Not true. DMCA works for us every time. We had this loser who took our photos and used them to make banners for her own customers. She refused to stop using our content so I DMCA'ed her host. She moved to another hosting company (with whom she was cozy with the owner). That hosting company ignored our DMCA, but THEIR provider did not. We won, and that thief was forced to stop using our content. All it took was a little bit of effort on our part.

I've been in business for a very long time. I know the crews at CCBill, Segpay, Epoch, Asacp. I talk with lawyers, sued thieves and dmca'ed others. I've seen shit online and reported it. If you're not interesting in what I have to say then add me to your ignore list. Attacking CCBill for this is a mistake and if all you've learned from these threads is to call me an asshole then I feel sorry for you.

is anyone from ibill in jail?

is anyone from globill in jail?

is anyone from epassporte in jail?

It shouldn't have to be that way though. And you know it.

I remember a few years ago when 2257 loomed over us all, and everybody bitched and complained about how that was going to put people out of business for all the extra paperwork.

Piracy and dmca's are extra paperwork x1000

Ya know Mark.... You are in the web video chat business. Good choice btw.
I myself wanted to get in on this business model back in 03.

However, your business model isn't as affected as a paysite/affiliate program business model is on these issues.

I thought I would just point that out to you and to everyone else when they weigh in these very biased opinions on the state of the industry and who and what is getting processed nowadays.

:2 cents::2 cents:

Trust me, I know who you are and I have respect for you and your company (and your stance on Mac vs PC), however I tink you are wrong in defending CCBILL in this situation. ESPECIALLY because you are a veteran in this industry.

I have processed with CCBILL for many years in the past (not small volume, we are talking a few 100,000US in processin per month) and I have partied with their crew at many shows back in the early 2000s.

However, what CCBILL is doing here is willingly processing for file-sharing sites. They have the right to do this. It is fully legal, they are protected by DMCA.

But it is still a stab in the back to the people that have been processing with CCBILL for 15 years and who are struggling because of piracy to see CCBILL processing for sites that are filled with pirated content. And CCBILL knows this, and all they say, business is business, if you have a problem just send a DMCA. By doing that they give a big fuck you to the industry that made them big.

In addition by processing for these file-sharing sites they take a risk of processing for illegal content. Everyone can upload whatever they want to these sites, and CCBILL is processing for it, so if someone decides to upload CP or bestiality (which is of course happening as we can see in the other threads) CCBILL is actively processing for this content. They know this, but do not seem to care.

Here is the issue Mark Prince... Conversions with ccbill have gone down. I noticed it april 2nd. Before it was always questionable the anomalies but on that date things went into the shitter. Now my situation was a bit unique, we were rapidly growing and on the verge of a 100 percent monthly increase when... Bam... It stopped. Traffic didn't stop, join form hits didn't stop, just the sales did.

Now, speed up to today. What again is your stance? Don't call out ccbill? Grab a set of balls and stand up for what's right. Mother fucking A calling out ccbill is the right thing to do. Now it is public by not just a few, but the masses.

And that other guy who posted where to send CP complaints, why don't you start with the problem? Not the honest people reporting the problem and *threatening* that saving any images or revisiting any pages showing such images is bullshit and I call you out.

someone needs to be nailed to the cross for this. CCBills (we are squeaky clean) pressense makes them become the whipping boy when shit like this happens--kind of like the homophobe anti-gay republican who gets caught with a cock in his mouth. And that's that folks. Word is born.
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