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Nobody saw a problem with it there. And trust me, CCBill are reading these posts. I took a peek on who was looking at my gfy profile after making some criticisms about my signups dropping off.... and noticed James@ccbill checked out my profile. Which is fine, I don't really care. Im not trying to hide from anyone, even though this looks like a fake nic. However my paysites still process through ccbill (LOL, fucking barely) the affiliate program is still with ccbill. I have been loyal to ccbill for it seems 15 years now (just a guess). Ive watched this industry fall apart piece by fucking piece. Ive seen soo many people who have been revered and respected by many people, turn around and fuck those people in the ass. CCbill, imo was the last of the great unmolested institutions in this business. Now, it looks like it may actually be time to close up shop and move on. I refuse to be unethical, I refuse to fuck people over and lie to them. I feel sorry for all the honest business people who gave everything they had and are now getting runover by crooks and thieves. I went to the playboy mansion to a webmaster access show years ago, and adult friend finder was a sponsor. Lars was wearing a big white fur coat and driving a flat black old convertible, in truly pimpin style. It was a sign of the times for me. At that moment, I started to see the unity and integrity of the business unravel. Not that there wasn't always fucking weasels and trolls out there. But, this was a sign that unethical bullshit was finally accepted. |
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It seems to me this was around this same time you speak of that they started getting into this market and starting warming up to the idea of accepting file lockers. |
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At: ASACP TIM. When I said I call you out, I mean, I don't think you actually work for that organization. I would like to see your credentials because nobody representing a company with that stance would tell people to never save evidence, nor check evidence again. Your words really disturbed me if, in fact, you work with a legit company trying to protect kids. |
I always know how to shut down a thread....
Or maybe get you asshats to start thinking.... Or maybe you pussies just end up falling asleep with dreams of grandeur of how your precious little business model will still be intact when you wake up. While you sleep in idle, doing nothing for the better of the industry and ultimately, for the better of your own personal financial stability. That is of course if your not into running illegal tube sites, file sharing, or file lockers. sleep tight. nighty fucking night. |
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Mark, Tim, I hope I don't sound patronizing, it's not my intention. BUT. There is the "letter" of the law, which by its nature has gray areas. And then there is common sense ("spirit of the law"). Goals and circumstances have weight in law. Fighting to gain control of an aircraft, is a very wrong and very unlawful thing to do for a passenger. But if you invoke "literal law" on Flight 93, you are a moron or worse. Most jurisdictions, especially "common law" ones (such as the U.S.), acknowledge the limits of the "literal law". Ample latitude is given by the law itself to common sense - which is a good thing when done with balance. (Here's some examples. Judges shape the interpretation of the law in the real world; jurors add a human point of view to dry law texts; an elected sheriff won't be re-elected if she ignores common sense. Etc. Etc.) So I'm very suspicious when someone invokes the literal law against the spirit of the law. More often than not, the "tied hands" approach is a self-serving approach - even when you have a room of nodding lawyers on your side. * * * Most people on this board are genuinely trying to do the obviously right thing - I.e., help cleaning up the industry from occasional scumbags who effectively deal with CP. If one knowingly gets (a lot of) money from sites that sell CP, one becomes direct accomplice in CP. There's no way around it. (Incidentally, one also seriously jeopardizes the clean side of the industry). That's true even if you have a long disclaimer in your TOS, and if you setup your corporate structure right, and if you pretend that you "didn't know it". Such defense, in most cases recently discussed on this board, crumbles under the scrutiny of common sense. And we all know this if we are honest. By the way, jurors in a court case would know it too, very well. * * * I believe ASACP's statutory goal is to fight CP. The discussions on this board are helping this fight, by showing some dirt that was too long left under the carpet. I still want to believe it is not your intention, but the tone of your posts sounds a lot as a "Please shut up" and "You are risking your own ass if you report such stuff". I honestly don't read a prevalent concern for the abused kids, in your language - which is what I would instead expect from ASACP. * * * Finally, the timing of this reaction also gives the really bad impression of a concerted PR offensive. This really bad impression of a PR offensive, is reinforced by the official financial ties that CCbill has with ASACP, according to the joint press releases on ASACP's website. Quote:
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QFT +1 Mark Prince, your rep is now less than zero as far as I am concerned. If I got involved in CP even in the slightest way I would expect to be shunned by every right thinking person. I would also expect to be arrested, put into prison, and placed on a sex offenders register. There used to be a time when even the merest hint of this subject was so taboo that actually mentioning it on a board was an instant ban. If you even illuded to the fact that your site might have something even slightly suspicious your CCbill account would be pulled and your name and reputaion blacklisted. CCbill have destroyed their reputation. Mark Prince has gone down with them. :2 cents: |
I asked from Tim to make a post about the reporting of possible illegal content. Downloading, sharing and revisiting is a big no regardless your intentions. His post meant to serve as protection for any innocent webmaster that by thinking he is trying to help, he may put himself in trouble.
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But you have to consider his business model. Live Web Chat. That might work well in his case. But to a site that takes pictures and video and offers them for download, then gets their entire sites ripped and offered for free on file lockers, along with who knows what the fuck else, without permission, that is a sting, and live web chat advertisements and dating sites riddled with fake profiles like cockroaches doesn't help the situation. |
im going to take a few days off...when i come back i hope to see this all cleared up.
My buddy i drink with here is some kind of secret police, he never gets to tell us what he is working on. Im going to show him the screen caps and the proof that is known. See what he says. Has anyone actually shown the proof to a law enforcement agency? FBI? Does VISA know?? I bet not one person has sent them anything. |
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But wouldn't you agree that once such content is reported to CCBill they should take action immediately and stop facilitating them monetizing on such content? |
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Thank you for sharing this information on how to properly limit one's risk while reporting such activity. Let's catch up soon, buddy. Brad |
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Is the ASACP now becoming nothing more than a public relations tool which some companies use in order to deflect criticism for knowingly having associations with people who are involved in the distribution of child porn? It's public knowledge that child pornographers often use these sites because the content often isn't policed and it allows for quick distribution with a minimum paper trail. Quote:
If the ASACP wants to protect kids (as opposed to being used as a PR tool) they ought to be demanding that CCBill either stop processing for these sites or at the least they screen for child pornography much better than they are now. You wouldn't think this would even need to be said. :( |
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I work with a child abuse agency (http://www.onechildinternational.net/) and we get plenty of pedo's locked up for cp on their hard drives and multiple hits on their browsers, and they almost always claim that they were just "doing research" about cp online. His words were actually good legal advise, probably straight from the US Attorneys office. .:2 cents: |
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Wow. While friends of mine are getting bitch slapped by places like clips4sale for putting words like cock and I think slave on their listings ccbill is ignoring this? Ewww gross
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Nah I just accidentally went too far down on the list while reading. But it's true about sites not using certain words. I suppose that should be a new thread. My apologies.
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