i wish they would stick to B&B

Best. Post. Ever.

So who's right and who's wrong here?

Nobody knows what the thread was originally about.

All we know is that Paul and DamianJ are apparently in love. :love2suck

one of the most bizarre, fucked up but hysterical relationships i've ever seen. day after day, it wages on.

Others were and still are quoting Damian far more than I do.

So let's get back to asking FT hard questions.

Can he tell us where the 9 figure loan has gone.
Can he tell us which offices hold how many staff.
Can we ask him how many floors they have in the Montreal office.
Can he allow a non ass kisser to verify his figures.

Why would Fabian answer questions like that from anyone and especially from you? Who the fuck do you think you are? You'are a Manwin accountant, you don't have any interest in the company. You're don't own any stake in the private company. You're just a crazy old guy ranting on the Internet and you don't have the first clue about Adult online Internet.

Hard? Hardly more like. I can answer those without even thinking twice, either the info has already been stated elsewhere time and time again, or it is pointless to even ask. The capital came from a VC firm that would never give you the time of day and that is all you need to know. The amount of staff he has? How is that any of your concern or germaine to any reasonable discussion of any issue at all? What does having multiple floors in an office imply? Why don't you answer that. The questions are verifiably pointless so why would a non ass kissing "verifier" even be necessary in the first place, answer that.

The sad thing is I doubt your trolling at this point even has a commercial subtext that you wish to exploit. On a positive note, you should take great pride in being a true troll who serves zero purpose other than to keep trying to knock billy goats off a bridge even though they boot you off for the useless troll you are every time. The effort is commendable! And at the end of the day, everyone will agree that it is just water under the bridge, so no harm no foul troll trolling, right?

None of that matters to me. I would only like to see them make it more difficult to upload to their tube properties.

1/2 of the industry thinks he is full of shit and the money came from illegal sources and questions if the old owners are even really out of the picture, while the other 1/2 believes every word out of his mouth as if it's gospel and he is the 2nd coming of Christ. It's easy to tell who is who. So none of that will never be resolved regardless of how many toilets he tells you he has in his office and how long it takes to clean them.

What's done is done, Manwin is here to stay and are kicking ass and taking names, and suing / buying those whos name they can not get.

That said, considering he knowingly bought a company that was built on piracy and who paid people to steal and upload everyone's content to their tubes, breaking his balls from time to time on GFY is the least anyone can do.

So what they say might be true or it might not.

So what they say might be true or it might not.

Fabian would know this if he had visited or even had any knowledge of the location. So what they say might be true or it might not.

The sad thing is I doubt your ass kissing will get you any more sign ups.

The point is PR. He might have you fooled or you just want to submit clips to him as the last grasp at getting traffic. I would just like to know if anyone can believe what the company says.

Serious question why should they?

You break the law by, I believe, operating in a country where what you do is illegal. Manwin do, to my knowledge, nothing illegal. The user uploads are very often full scenes and this brings in traffic which they can sell and the cost to them is zero. I know none of us like it, but this is business not the local WI.

Which is why I keep reminding people and people like Farrell pop up to protect him are clearly showing the camp they're in.

We should still keep up the pressure. Just not expect change.
If you could prove MW paid people to upload, we would have their balls. Otherwise why I keep asking the questions he can't answer. Idiots and ass kissers will side track my point that he was clueless of the office space he needed to house the 300 people allegedly working in the Montreal office by pointing out the toilets comment. It doesn't hide the fact he was clueless about the office, how much space he's supposedly renting and even down to how many floors. Any one who has worked in that building will know how many toilets there are on every floor. Fabian didn't have a clue. Which leads anyone with a working brain cell to know. He was clueless and never been there.

The ass kissers and those without working brain cells are now welcome to carry on side tracking the facts.

Calling me an ass kisser doesn't hurt my feelings, and I should make the point that none of my so called ass kissing has resulted in a single sign up. Fabian would tell you the same thing. It should be obvious by now that he is not the kind of guy that makes business decisions based on who is being nice to him on message board. Once you figure that part out then maybe you will have the first clue why you are where you are and he is where he is.

What has provided sign ups is working hard and testing constantly and improving the numbers daily. The webmasters that run those tube sites we submit to will tell you how active we are. See, while you are going to continue beating a dead horse until you're blue in the face, we are making sign ups from so-called freeloader tube traffic, getting ratios on some sites that you wouldn't believe if I opened my stats to you and showed you myself, and which have even shocked our tube partners.

When you have a site that converts better than 1:500 on exclusively tube traffic then I will pay attention to whatever you have to say. Otherwise, your boorish assumptions about things you have zero knowledge of are just plain inane. I have offered you helpful clues in this post to figuring out how wrong you are so you can find the path to rightful understanding. I suggest you get one and take it from there.

They never will. Their empire is built on piracy and it would fall apart without it. But that doesn't mean I can't wish for them to change how they accept content.

Many people producing porn break the law, especially Americans, unless they are one of the two states it is legal in. Few people live in places where they can produce porn legally. They may live in a place where it is tolerated, but it's not legal. It is tolerated here too, it's just when someone has it out for you do you get arrested, or if you are caught shooting in public. However, Thais making porn do not get arrested. To put it all into perspective, prostitution is also illegal in Thailand, if you can believe that. And like porn producers, the police will arrest a foreign bar owner here and there, usually courtesy of another bar owner, and fines are paid, photos are taken, pats on the back are given, and the guy is back in business in 1 - 2 days tops IF he has the cash they are asking for.

Regarding Manwin not breaking the law, no one will ever know. Mansef certainly broke a lot of laws. That much we know. However, they breaking the law here by showing their sites to the country I live in. That is an illegal act here and in theory someone could have a Manwin employee arrested upon entering the country if one were so inclined. It could also be argued perhaps that by exposing minors to porn by not putting any warning on their tube sites, there may be some legal issue there, though, I don't know for sure. I'd have to ask Gideon about that.


Mansef did. That much has been confirmed. Fabian says they deleted those accounts. Who knows?

I do think it's pretty naive to believe that so many people are uploading videos, 24-7, 365 days a year to these sites. If you look at the numbers of some of their users, the amount of content they are uploading is mind boggling and defies logic. Such numbers could only come from someone who is paid to upload and possibly people taking shifts. I suppose it could also come from someone awake for days on end smoking meth. But that is a dead end road so I'm not even concerned with it.

But it is what it is and that is that. Other than taking some pokes at Fabian here and there for shits and giggles, I honestly am not that concerned with Manwin. But that doesn't mean I am comfortable with the monopoly they are creating, as I believe the end game on that is not going to be a pretty one for most people.

Paul and Damien need their own forum!

We can all live in hope. Reality is they can't.
So no accusations about breaking the law. We all sail close to that. I also crossed the line.

Which is my point. The biggest company in porn "allegedly" and not one knows fuck all about it. Fabian doesn't seem to know much about it either.

Who knows?

My thoughts on this is it would be a dangerous road to travel except for a criminal organisation that was in house. Because someone somewhere who isn't inside the organisation could spill the beans and open up a gigantic can of worms or blackmail them. As I'm not calling them criminal. I have to say it is real "user uploads". Still like you I find it amazing.
I'm retired and never need to worry again about business. Notice the word need. This is a business I've been in and around since 1966 when it was run by criminals and I was I suppose part of it. I was definitely breaking the law in the UK selling unlicensed videos.

Still I love the industry and posting here keeps me abreast with it.

As for a few large companies taking over and squeezing out the rest. That was always going to happen. The way they did it was to give out more free content than anyone else. This condemns them to the same fate as the ones they squeeze out. hopefully they're not the big company they boast. Because firing people as the markets shrink sucks. Anyone who thinks this business not in decline, is living in denial. You can't build a castle on sand.

Just for the fun of it...

Paul, the reason I did not reply to the toilet question before was since I was never in the female toilets so I had no clue how many there are. Lucky for you though since we are renovating the building I have seen plans thus I now know: 4 stalls in female bathrooms, 2 stalls and 2 urinals in male bathrooms; same on each floor. 5 office floors, 1 ground floor which once done will have security, cafeteria and hr interview rooms and common area. Ground floors has 2 extra bathrooms.

We are 700 people in Montreal btw, not 300. I also have better things to do than to know sqft numbers per office floor. Total capacity of the office once renovation is done is 908. We are renovating 2 floors at a time right now, end of year one floor only, 6th floor, beginning of next year only ground floor. Project done in march 2013.

Floors each have around 18000 sqft. Most floors are open office space...

Now that the toilets have been accounted for,... we can all sleep easy. Thank you.

:pimp

Well, I am slightly in fear that Paul will now tell me that this is not enough! Good thing is that I know better than him and I doubt he knows Quebec building code.

Next up will be your wardrobe. How many pairs of dock shoes, hoodies, and suits you have.

:winkwink:

nothing is proven unless pictures and floor plan are being posted ;)

pffff one GFY mystery solved, on the the next one :)

OK. I wasn't asking for the number of stalls or urinals. Just the number of toilets in, the number of places.

The boss of a company doesn't have better things to do than know about his staff, locations and rental. You forget what I used to do. I never dealt with the office manager on these large office refurbishments and who I did deal with went to the boss for approval and to inform him.

Still for your information 700 office people = 154,000 sf

The building itself is listed as. http://www.montrealrealties.net/prop...evard-montreal

So it seems you're squeezing them in pretty tight.

I assume all the other occupants in the building have gone.

This was a strange one. http://dockets.justia.com/docket/new...v01149/358534/ as you're explaining things maybe you can explain this. Assuming this is one of the things to concern you.

http://www.embvue.com/

http://www.utilicase.com/en/

They must of moved out.

We've already covered this. Fabian likes dressing down, so as to not appear too successful and intimidate his audience. :thumbsup

Next will be the mystery of the dormant 9 figure investment. Maybe some of it was used to take over the building, buy office furniture for the extra staff 400 people would be somewhere in the region of $400,000 to as high as $1.2 million for good stuff.

I could ask him the cost of the refurbishment per floor and what is being done. Of course on this my figures might be out of date. Still I can take a swipe at it after Fabian tells us what he's signing checks for.

Unless he can't be bothered with the small checks. :thumbsup

They move out 1st July.

And Manwin has a Director of Facilities; she reports to The CEO of Manwin Canada who decides after a team reviews, including me.

And no, we are not squeezing them in tight. There is a law, the construction company can not break it.

And btw, I can hardly explain a lawsuit between two companies I do not own...

All the occupants or just some? Still doing 2 floors and having other floors occupied and 700 people does mean it's a bit tight. Laws must be different in Montreal. The construction laws are about the construction. Space for staff fall under different less stringent laws. Mostly guide lines for effective work performance depending on the work required.

Highly skilled and sort after people will want a more comfortable office than grunts.

I would assume you were part of the team OKing and signing the checks for such a major project. That part where you said you couldn't be bothered threw me. Usually million dollar outlays are dealt with at the highest level.

As you will know renting, refurbishing, furnishing, employing extra people like this is a multi million dollar project. Rarely dealt with by underlings. I was very used to making presentations to a CEO, MD or even a board to do the refurbishments and furnishings. Only in companies a lot bigger than Manwin did people doing my job then deal with subordinates. So I'm sure you didn't mean you couldn't be bothered.

I thought you would know something about it. http://blogs.forbes.com/velocity/tag/ventura-content/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Vi...Piracy_Efforts my mistake, sorry.

We are only waiting for 6th floor and half of 5th to open up and a very small part of the 2nd where Ericsson still has an emergency control room. All this we get July 1st. The rest we have. During construction of course it is tight. But most will be done by October, then we have a lot of room.

And yes I was part of the team and I give final approval, but there are budgets in place for this stuff, we plan ahead you know. No need for me to look at details. I ok'd budget, look, furniture and I just. Sat in on the stacking plan. I am hardly in all meetings though.

We are redoing our office in LA too btw. Done August 1st that one. Same basic look, just red instead of blue accents. I love the project. The workforce is also looking forward to it, since the atmosphere will be awesome.

In Montreal, 2nd and 4tg floor are almost finished. Very clean looking. Much friendlier than the old look.

Since you worked in furniture, we use Bene in all offices.

Now you're starting to see why I was so thrown with your lack of knowledge or you not being bothered. This is exactly what the man at the top would be bothered with.

Employees are your top resource, their well being is one of your top concerns. Not something that is delegated unless in the very biggest of companies and even then the top man in HR sits at a very high level.

Not familiar with Bene, I was selling Mauser, which was at the Herman miller, Westinghouse level. top level stuff and expensive.

Nice looking stuff. http://bene.com/office-furniture/uk/ They have a world wide network?

Yes, world wide.

Very functional and configurable furniture...

People in Montreal are far from being squeezed out, I rarely seen and office where.
everybody seem so happy to work in.

Lots of room, lots of freedom and lots of smiling people.

For me Manwin is THE corporate model.

Really? I'm assuming you mean their offices, etc.

'Cause a lot of that nice fancy office space and furniture is paid for via piracy and the devaluation of a lot hard working people's content.
Not much of a "model" when it's built on the backs of other people's work being stolen.

So this is yet another thread about how many bathrooms in Manwin headquarters?

You can't expect more from Paul Markham :upsidedow

Hey Fabian...about shutting down all those tube sites. Did you just let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass?

Shit or get off the pot boy.

For the current business model of of their tube division, I could argue for hours..and I'm sure I would agree at some points of both side..
I could say that some are smart but wrong ..and that some are stupid but right...

But i have work to get done... we just took another floor in the building and i need to plan the 30 new jobs I'm looking to fill.

So yes I have no shame claiming Manwin is my corporate model and the most motivating partner I ever worked with.

They been my corporate model since their first office.. They proven me that the work space and staff management of an adult business can be as serious as any other type of business.
This is what opened my eye on the possibility of expansion for my embryonic company..and the motivation to open a first office.
At that point I did realize the global picture of the business was evolving fast and that not so many people where organized to be able to flip in an effective time lapse.

Many where keyboard warrior, looking like huge player.. scared me .. claimed the biz was dead.. that the biz was over saturated and that the golden age was over.
While the reality was they never took time to set up a real working environment that would have give them the power to build windmills... instead of walls.

All this was way before the tubes.
Mansef already had nice fancy offices, a very corporate environment full of very smart, very positive and ultra motivated people.

Thanks Manwin

I call BS, not in this time and age :2 cents:

How many toilets you got there?

Right now .. not enough !!!

at 14h when the geeks get in line to dump their number 2 ....:throwup..

ok i admit it ...we only take the 3rd floor to have access to their toilet

i'm gonna verify the whole toilet issue once i am in Montreal :glugglug

I'm curious now, how many toilets is FreeOnes working with??