Content that we had reason to believe was POSSIBLY uploaded by inhouse people has long been removed. We removed all content associated with certain accounts and those accounts themself shortly after acquiring the tube sites.

Literally broadcast thievery much ?

No, I totally understand why you can't comment on it. No need to explain. My point was that you can't, but it goes without saying you know what they did.


I vaguely remember going through this a long time ago with you. You would stop them from uploading but not delete their other videos. There was a member with something like over 2000 videos. You were going to check with your legal team about if you could or not and I don't recall seeing anything after that. All I know is YouTube does it, and they did it to me. They have a strike policy and then they delete your account and all of your videos, for any reason they see fit that you have violated their terms. Facebook does it too. You get a few warnings then they delete your entire page with all of your content. So you should be able to do that as well.

Side note, the irony of the youtube and facebook issues were due to false DMCAs sent on content I owned. It sucks, but that's how it plays out sometimes. They don't even reply to counter DMCAs, and what am I going to do, sue the two largest media companies on the internet?

That is actually good to hear. I honestly didn't think you would have done that or have been instructed legally to not acknowledge it.

This was only a problem with old accounts, new accounts that upload content which gets DMCA'd get blocked so fast, they usually do not fill up with content first.

And yes, you should, because per DMCA they have to react to counter notices...

That alone, an email address, is not the issue. However, the rest of the premise is a slippery slope legally. I think it is a great common sense idea, make no mistake about it. But I also see the flip side of the coin legally, and within the so-called justice system.

I believe they are making an honest attempt, that is my personal feeling.

However, I think it is a balancing act. I say this from my own actual experience, and understanding of the market, or the tube site business. Even on small tubes, it is difficult to deal with those just uploading for ego, or whatever. You have people willing to upload large volumes of shit just so they can be the first to post a link on some forum. Not even for money. Just for being "cool".

I think Nathan/Fabian/whatthefuckever is a figurehead of a corporate conglomerate. I believe he has layers that advise him what he can, and cannot say publicly. I think they are probably making some level of a best effort to deal with this issue, but can't openly admit that they are doing any level of oversight that could be used in court.

I see things from a different point of view per se. More so from the ugly side of how corporate America works, from my years before porn. I think that Schultz is really trying to balance out being a good corporate porn citizen, without completely destroying their business model (i.e. losing all of the traffic).

Just like the CCBill threads of the past week, once things are BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION, you may see some results. Same as Schultz has mentioned that when they get DMCA's, they act on them. What I am getting at here is, once something is brought up they deal with it. But they are not going to openly admit they go looking for it, as legally they could be on the hook.

I would say this is probably what his team of lawyers in Vegas have advised him, but that is just my guess. If you have a whole legal team with you at a conference, I would say that they probably have given you some parameters and public 'corporate line', you must operate within.

:2 cents:

Certain things my lawyers instruct me to do, I do not really care about.. or forget... in this case, I have no clue if they ever told me not to acknowledge or not... so you got lucky ;)

A handful of their affiliates are screaming about closed accounts on some of the boards. I know it's still open for some.


I hope that is foreshadowing.

I saw that too, I also think that what you are seeing on those boards is the tip of the iceberg. I have some numbers of what some of those file hosts have in terms of profit a month, the numbers you see there on those boards are peanuts. Its the small people complaining... just as it happens so often on adult boards... The big fish, you will not see, they have nothing to complain about.

I'm a fucking Megalodon bitch.

No. You're a fucking idiot.

:2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Who cares how someone looks like? You can't judge people on that !

There are places in the world with hosting companies that won't give a fuck. you need to go through a court to achieve what you suggest.

This is why you need to get a PR company to reform your image. It makes people think you have something else to hide. No one is going to curse you for throwing MW's weight and money behind this, if you do in straight and openly.

Get a PR man.

Get lawyers around the world.

And pirating it. AND has roved pointless.

Get behind this fight by funding someone else or setting it up and getting a good PR company to advise you. You're a 9 figure company for goodness sake, act like one.

Paul, I hate suits, I would never wear them, only only wear jeans and hoodies, I am comfortable with it and thats how it is...

Did we ever get an official answer to how many toilets are in each of the various Manwin corporate offices?

:helpme

careful with the hoodies when you go to florida

what's more exhausting, being a moron or a sycophant ?

Ringside seat to some heavyweight banter.

(not Paul's frivolousness, have a seat codger)

I do not think whitey, with those 80's deck shoes, would have an issue even in Florida.

:winkwink:

He plays both parts quite well. :1orglaugh

Well folks you heard it here first, Paul Markham is now a stylist and fashion consultant.

There is $ in stopping theft.

You know whats funny! You will not believe it, but we actually DID have an issue with our toilets! We had to add 2 more stalls each female/male on our ground floor because we are building a cafeteria and thus need more toilets there!

Lool for sure some people are now very curious what the total toilet count is :D

Nobody cares about the quantitative shit of your employees.
They care about the money you pilfer.

Yawn.... Back to derail another good discussion thread I see. Typical of burgerflip. (rolls eyes)

It figures you would have nothing of value to add to an actual business discussion. Although that is not really surprising to the rest of us to be honest. Now go along an make us some more .50ct iphone apps. Sell a couple of dozen before noon, and you can buy yourself a happy meal on your lunch break.

:winkwink: :winkwink: :winkwink:

Carry on.
:rasta

Please make sure you update Paul on the new count, as he is keeping the official tally.

:thumbsup

Then set up your own department to deal with this aspect of fighting piracy. We need more than a one pronged attack.

You're not showing them to me, you're showing them to all of us. If you can't figure out the good it will do you. Get a PR man to tell you.

You're side stepping the issue. Unwarranted attention. In the event that the credit cards ban all online porn. MW is made. You'll be up there with the industry giants and will over take them. Online isn't the only way to sell porn.

Good, then use it as PR. That for MW is a big bonus.

You're not dressing to please yourself, do that in the office. You're dressing to be in front of an audience you want to appeal to as the top man in a big company.

Seriously, get a PR man.

Then listen to her.

It might not hurt you, it doesn't help MW.

Someone offline just pointed out to me that someone is cybersquatting brazzers.com.au

Might want to look at that one Nathan.

I love it Paul/DWB you are both getting very specific with someone you both comprehend to be full of useless gestures. Please, continue

Require people who wants to upload content to provide proof of identity and address.
then tell them they are free to upload whhhhaaatever they want, as long as they have the rights to it. Also make them aware of that in case of a DMCA coming one for for said content, their! contact details will be handed over.

that should still cover your safe harbor right?

It's not only about what you like. It's about respect for the audience. Dressing like this at best shows arrogance.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/fabian.jpg

Dirty shoes, old jeans which look like they were bought from a charity shop, what's with the white mark? Get jeans that look like they haven't been in bought second hand, buy some decent loafers. hoodies are fine. Just don't turn up in the one the janitor loaned you.

You announced a 9 figure loan or investment. How much are a new pair of Levi's, new loafers and a decent hoodie? T-shirt. Don't even start me on that. What happened to the money? Been 6 months since you announced it.

Everyone does. It forms a mental picture of the man, his attitude towards himself and his respect for others. And people do judge others by their appearance.

Tell that to the girls tonight when they appear online. :winkwink:

Another good idea. However, that is basically putting Manwin in the legal/compliance/enforcement business. Which I wholeheartedly believe they are trying to avoid. Again, I am not saying it's right or wrong. They have a business to run.

It's the same reason that ISPs are fighting some of the new proposed laws. Why would they want to be put into a position, forced by law, where they have to hire additional staff to manage all of those claims?? When some companies have razor thin margins, why would they want to bring legal/compliant/extra people on staff to clean up the mess?

Ultimately, I think that is what the biggest issue in this fight is. Who is going to PAY FOR IT. Whether it's an ISP, Google, Manwin, whomever it takes staff to do these things. All of those things come with a cost, and that does not even get into the legal aspect of liability.

Record, media, porn companies all want enforcement,... but no one wants to pay for it. Until all of those things can be answered, you are always going to have push back from the various different interests. Neither ISP's, search engines, nor billing companies, want to be the internet police.

:2 cents:

Intellectual property theft is a criminal offense, all this law/yer talk stinks of methane.

Paul will say he's right because Zuck went from being worth 20 billion to only 10 because he refuses to wear anything but hoodies and jeans.

Love him or hate him, I think Fabe's choice of clothing in vegas was rock star.

The jealousy oozing out of Markham is just palpable.

I'd say its a cost that comes with when u decide that this it the kind of business u wan to run.
kind of like like when u decide to shoot porn, u gonna have to caugh up the cost for a camera.

if not, then one can always put the money in to creating ones own content and not rely on others to provide it.

Also, my "idea" above is of course a semi joke. in theory its great, but in reality it does not work. not at all. 100% does not work, and im not saying that because i think it, i say it because we have tried it.

Rock stars don't wear socks with their deck shoes. Nerds do.

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If there was a rock star of the Nerds seems like he would be it. After all didn't he write Nats?

True.

You know quite a bit about file lockers Fabian, you want to discuss filesonic.com or will your lawyers just issue a statement?

Yeah, the shitty version years ago that has long since been completely re-written. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh (sorry Fabian, couldn't resist that one...)

Slappin, I have nothing to do with Filesonic. Neither does Manwin.

Robbie, want to ask John if he agrees with you?

I don't know John personally. I just use NATS. And I know that you were an employee who has been gone a long time. And NATS has been re-written a lot of times since you were gone. That's all.

And keep up the good work! You give hope to hundreds of millions of people who have no experience in a particular line of work (porn in this instance) and who are just employees making a salary... that they too can one day magically have a hundred million dollars and be a huge "success" like you! :thumbsup

You truly are an inspiration!

All the things you did and built in the last couple of years and the new ideas and...oh wait a minute, that's right: You used magic money to "acquire" a bunch of pirate sites and then bought up a bunch of other companies that (ironically) were so crippled by piracy that it was low hanging fruit. You've never actually built ANYTHING from the ground up.

Sorry. :disgust

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh shit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Right, magic money :)

Btw, I never was an employee of TMM (NATS). I owned 1/3rd. But that little detail which I said multiple time to this day completely passes you by ;)

And yes, all the sites and companies I bought were crippled... Totally! I love you Robbie :)

Of course you don't. and never have? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That was some interesting whois screenshots in the thread you had yanked from gfy in record time.:2 cents:

Your recent shift towards respectability is easily explained, after acquiring so many programs Manwin would actually profit from a slowing down of pirac., doesn't mean me we should all forgive and forget.