There just is not any end to your clueless babble...now is there...you silly pathetic old man?

I guess I would as well. Not that he would ever offer us enough to compete with what we were getting.

Nathan why not do the right thing on the tubes Manwin owns and close off user submissions completely? You haven't made enough?

Show some leadership and use that war chest to launch lawsuits against the file sharing sites that reward affiliates for stealing and uploading Manwin content along with the rest of ours?

It's not in Manwin's long term interests either to keep teaching an entire generation of porn consumers that porn is free and paying for it is for old geezers and losers.

How awkward would that be if Manwin headed by Nathan would make most of the modern internet's free porn go away over night and users would have little choice than to either pay for porn or to use way too complicated and illegal methods to get their "free porn" ?

Imagine the awkwardness if people had to realize that all this time this was actually the planned "end-goal" (what an inappropriate but fitting word to use, sorry) that Manwin was steering towards to and we'd all make money hand over fist again?

Imagine that - crazy, I know right?
But how does one say, hope dies last. :2 cents:

Fabian shut off user submissions...HA! thatll happen about the time little Fabians are flying outta my ass on wings....Look how quiet he suddenly got....come Fabian what happened?

Looks like your alligator mouth overloaded your hummingbird ass huh?

Ok, now you done gone and made me want to quote some Robert Hunter...

"Brown Eyed Women"

Gone are the days when the ox fall down
Take up the yoke and plow the fields around
Gone are the days when the ladies said, "Please
Gentle Jack Jones, won't you come home to me?"

Brown-eyed women and red grenadine
The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean
Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on

1920 when he stepped to the bar
Drank to the dregs of the whiskey jar
1930 when the wall caved in
He made his way sellin' red-eyed gin

Brown-eyed women and red grenadine
The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean
Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on

Delilah Jones was the mother of twins
Two times over and the rest were sins
Raised eight boys, only I turned bad
Didn't get the lickin's that the other ones had

Brown-eyed women and red grenadine
The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean
Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on

Tumble down shack in Bigfoot County
Snowed so hard that the roof caved in
Delilah Jones went to meet her God
And the old man never was the same again

Daddy made whiskey and he made it well
Cost two dollars and it burnt like hell
I cut hickory just to fire the still
Drink down a bottle and ready to kill

Brown-eyed women and red grenadine
The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean
Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on

Gone are the days when the ox fall down
Take up the yoke and plow the fields around
Gone are the days when the ladies said, "Please
Gentle Jack Jones, won't you come home to me?"

Brown-eyed women and red grenadine
The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean
Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on

Someone got banned for posting Fabians home address?

Jeeze. Looks like someone asked how high to jump when they were told to do so.

Imagine that....

That is a bannable offense and I think anyone here should expect the same consideration regardless of where they stand on any issue on this board.

I thought it was only bannable if it wasnt public info...that addy is easily found as public info on google...

Dig hard enough and you can find most people's addresses and even a picture from space of where people live but that doesn't make it ok to post on a forum so splitting hairs when the rule is the rule is beside the point.

How would you like it if someone did the same to you and gave your info to the suitcase pimp bf and all his homies of the stripper you allegedly assaulted in Florida?

Woodsheds

I think that was meant for "WHOIS" lookups, and not skip-trace or investigative efforts.

hell my addy is right on my site and finding my phone number aint hard either.....who'd wanna stalk me?

And then all the surfers looking at the free full length scenes on Manwin's Tubes, move to another Tube.

Online porn was teaching surfers not to pay for porn a long time before Tubes. It wasn't in anyone's long term issues to keep teaching an entire generation of porn consumers that porn is free and paying for it is for old geezers and losers.

As SZNY says attack him on real issues.

send your traffic to something like that. fart, hol' 1 sec... plfff.... ahhh, I just farted

Oh please stop trolling already Paul, it's getting old.

Think a little harder, who other than Manwin is in any kind of position to shut down most of the free porn out there today? Anyone?

If Manwin would make the move to the pay-to-enjoy porn model and throw it's full weight behind it including lobbying to get laws changed and making use of their vast amount of legal resources it's perfectly do-able.

And that would make them respectable in my eyes. I would go so far as to say that would give them a real shot at becoming the Google & Facebook combined of the Adult Industry.

I used to be against a monopoly in adult for obvious reasons - until someone gave me this to read.

A "do no harm" clean Manwin with an honest affiliate-segment and content-provider-segment, making them the technology providing company they want to be, could actually bring this industry back on it's feet - well to that what is left after the Gold-Rush but still.

Give it some real thought, you'll see the appeal if you can wrap your head around it. :2 cents:

This business never ceases to amaze me with the level of logic, common sense and business skills it has.

Major Tubes are major Tubes because of content. They need user uploads to keep traffic coming, to can sell it to advertisers. It's a fact of life so stop whining about it because nothing will change if PH stops user uploads.

If you want to attack someone, attack Far-L for uploading his scenes to get scraps off the floor.

The online free porn trend started with Newsgroups and since then sponsors have been forced to leap frog each other to keep affiliates happy in their task of giving away free porn.

Remember when you gloated about crippling the magazine, DVD industry and the industry of content providers? Well why should MW give a fuck about others when you didn't give a fuck while you were stepping over others. No you just pointed fun at us offline guys.

Beaner's reply tells us all we need to know about this industry.

O.o

I don't mean this in a bad way, but please have a coffee, take your meds if you need to take any - because quite frankly you sound off. I've never even talked about the "magazine, DVD industry and the industry of content providers" much less have I gloated about "crippling them" - do you even know who you are talking to?

I hope you're ok, honestly. Because you sound kind of delusional with your last post - anyone knowing me realizes that I never "gloat" period.

Joker, stop posting nonsense.

Why should they and what will make every other company in online porn join them?

Yes a change of the Law to stop free porn would be great. It would need to get past the US Constitution first. Maybe a law like the UK ATVOD rules or maybe a law to take all porn off the Internet.

Give it a lot more thought before you post.

I never said you personally.

Stop throwing insults and think about the "stopping free porn" debate deeper.

the problem is that if they did give up the traffic... somebody else would snatch it up. You can send a message that means this: "fuck with me and I will fuck with you 10X worse.." That can, or can not mean biz... I don't know

Do I ever? Please don't stoop to the level of lashing out because you can't see a vision others can - you used to be better than that, at least in person.

You wouldn't need to ask if you took a close look at their website alone - does anything on there scream "Yeah we wanna be labeled as porn thiefs / pirates" - or does it not rather scream: We want to be respectable, we want what Google / Facebook is in mainstream to be in the adult entertainment industry - heck, later maybe even be direct competitors to Google / Facebook, MW / FT is already investing in mainstream in Germany.

A law requiring anyone uploading adult-content to have the proper licenses / copyright / releases to do so would be all that it takes, no need for ATVOD or any of that.
You can't prove that you own the content that you are about to upload? Well you risk getting sued - upload process needs to point that out of course.

But changing to the pay-to-enjoy porn model weeds out much of that anyway, because who in his right mind pays (and provides his financial data) to upload stolen content and risks getting sued?

Thanks but I generally think before I post.

Like I said, I didn't mean it in a bad way - it's early in the morning for you, I was concerned and honestly thought maybe you are not fully awake yet or maybe need to take medicine - is taking meds an insult these days?

Anyways, I apologize if it came across too harsh and since you did not mean me personally, I apologize for taking it personally.

This is the problem today for those who need to see it for what it is.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071730

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071816

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071822

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071565

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071565

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071565

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071847

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071847

Online porn was always ruled by free porn. We now know the only thing keeping it in check was the cost of BW. Remember when the only problem of a gallery on The Hun was the cost of BW?

We developed affiliates to ask and expect everything they needed, to help them give away free porn. Now BW has crashed the business has changed. Consumers are less likely to buy anything than ever before, they don't have to. We will keep feeding it to them.

Today Tubes rule, like TGPs did. The downside is less people need to buy off a Tube than they did off a TGP site. Wishing for the removal of free porn online is like me wishing for the return of magazines and $3,000 a set. :winkwink:

And you think this will kill off Tubes and the free porn model? So we can all return to the days of 1998.

Thus I've mentioned lobbying to get proper laws in place to reduce free porn / stolen content online.

Of course there will always be some that will try, Manwin has enough resources to deal with that I think.

Plus who would spread more free porn - if you don't need to anymore? If people pay for porn (again) why throw it at them for free? But then again I could never wrap my head fully around this in the US market.

Why is this not a phenomenon on the German-speaking market for example?
There this "free porn" snowball never developed as much as it has in the US market, food for thought?

Dude there are two types of people who are from another planet as far as what they are thinking..
Japanese and Germans.

:1orglaugh

Nah, the days of 1998 are over, read my link that I've posted before...

The Gold-Rush is over, but that doesn't mean the adult-industry can't still be very profitable.

And regarding demanding affiliates - supply and demand rules apply. You want to be an affiliate - you have to do some work for that - again. So less supply of the demands = less affiliates but in return higher quality ones that don't mind to work.

Awww, come on Robbie - I know you can do better than that?

I also know you really wouldn't mind to increase your bottom-line or to be that whale of an affiliate again that you used to be?

Give it a try, give me something and work with me here :)

Sweet another investigation!

Release the hardcore GFY/AVN investigative journalists.

Thanks for getting your own thread, I appreciate it :thumbsup

Can you explain how these laws will work on a world wide basis please.

I'm just saying...trying to figure out the thought process of a German or a person from Japan is damn near impossible for a person from the U.S.

Our thought processes are diametrically opposed or something. :)

Of course they would work Paul. There are plenty of laws already that are universally held worldwide.
Countries have treaties and working partnerships in many ways in a global economy.

I wish I could give you the blueprints Paul, I honestly do.

I'm brainstorming here, I don't have a big team of lawyers locked up in my basement though - so no, I can't explain that.

But feel free to write down your thoughts, if the person with the big team of lawyers shows up I'm quite sure he will take them into consideration, seriously.

One question.

What kind of effing moron doesn't have their comments on moderation?

This is a sign of "Nathans" disconnection from reality.

I guess it's extra weird for me then, half American, half German, growing up in Germany with the US Army deeply embedded in my childhood - how am I supposed to feel either way? :1orglaugh

I just know there never really was this competition in the German adult market to give away more for free than your competition does... I guess that made a difference - thus I hope less free porn in the US will be mutually beneficial for webmasters, content-providers and program-owners.

It's not like we're trying to cure cancer or aids - we should really just all work together to lessen the amount of free porn online, if we as an industry can't work towards that one goal - what the fuck worth are we then anyways? :2 cents: :winkwink:

i thought I got your attention. Everyone goes through shit... what is your stance?

My stance on what? On going through shit? All that matters is how do you come out on the other side?

You stay covered in shit, or you take a shower and get back to business? :2 cents:

arent these the same answers to the same Qs that Nathan gets bombarded with once a month when he posts here lol

Some countries have treaties and working partnerships in many ways in a global economy. And those that don't will find themselves the new hosting giants.

There are ways, implicating them would be a nightmare.

Banning every free site or tour with more than a nipple from the US and EU would be a great start. How does that fly against the Constitution?

Implementing such a ban properly would be very expensive. Unless a computer program can be developed to identify offending images, it needs people to sit and verify then pull the plug on them. Dreaming Governments will do this is pointless.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071877 Free porn is here to stay. It will kill sales.

The question now is how to adapt, can we adapt and is adaptation going to be profitable.

I just hit Google and found it within 1 minute.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/18/tech...face/index.htm

As far as technologically identifying images goes...

Facebook doesn't like hardcore adult content, right? How many people use facebook? ~ 901 million as of April this year according to PCmag - who knows maybe they can be bothered to release a developer plugin or cooperate with Manwin to make the Internet a safer place ;-)

OK we now have the technology to identify the offending images.

So how do we enforce it on a Global basis?

1) Don't all domains resolve in the USA? If so, problem solved. Get in line or lose your domain.

2) Treaties. Get in line or get sanctioned / have your internet shut off.

3) Give the internet to the UN. Not really something I'd like to see, but it is a solution. Get in line or they turn off the internet in your country.

You can already fingerprint your videos. Problem is, that really isn't a real solution because once you identify where it is, you are in the same boat as sending a DMCA. Something hardcore has to happen. SOPA v2 or something else. I'm all for it. And I've said it 100 times before, I could do without Facebook, Youtube, Tumblr, or any other site. I had a life before the internet and I'd get along just fine after those sites were gone or regulated. What happens to them, or any site, is not my concern. New laws need to be made and everyone follows them or you lose out.

A change in 2257 holding everyone responsible for the models information would be a game changer. And a law that would hold responsible the advertisers of a pirate site would also be a game changer.

I'm 100% in support of very harsh laws. I'll live with it. I already live in a country that censors the internet and blocks many websites so it's really not a stretch for me if I lose some more. You'd be surprised how perfectly fine life is without parts of the net. And I'm not a person who supports censorship, but I also see it as the only way that is going to bring the internet under control. It can not continue to be a lawless area where anyone can do anything with little or no consequences.

DWB, I support your sentiments, however the problem is that on a technical level the net is designed to just route around disruption or censorship. It's built into it's architecture, nothing anyone can do about that now.

You can have all the rules and regulations you like, the net will find a way around them (on a purely technical level).

Indeed. Paul's old, his memory has gone...bless.