Awww, come on Robbie - I know you can do better than that?

I also know you really wouldn't mind to increase your bottom-line or to be that whale of an affiliate again that you used to be?

Give it a try, give me something and work with me here :)

Sweet another investigation!

Release the hardcore GFY/AVN investigative journalists.

Thanks for getting your own thread, I appreciate it :thumbsup

Can you explain how these laws will work on a world wide basis please.

I'm just saying...trying to figure out the thought process of a German or a person from Japan is damn near impossible for a person from the U.S.

Our thought processes are diametrically opposed or something. :)

Of course they would work Paul. There are plenty of laws already that are universally held worldwide.
Countries have treaties and working partnerships in many ways in a global economy.

I wish I could give you the blueprints Paul, I honestly do.

I'm brainstorming here, I don't have a big team of lawyers locked up in my basement though - so no, I can't explain that.

But feel free to write down your thoughts, if the person with the big team of lawyers shows up I'm quite sure he will take them into consideration, seriously.

One question.

What kind of effing moron doesn't have their comments on moderation?

This is a sign of "Nathans" disconnection from reality.

I guess it's extra weird for me then, half American, half German, growing up in Germany with the US Army deeply embedded in my childhood - how am I supposed to feel either way? :1orglaugh

I just know there never really was this competition in the German adult market to give away more for free than your competition does... I guess that made a difference - thus I hope less free porn in the US will be mutually beneficial for webmasters, content-providers and program-owners.

It's not like we're trying to cure cancer or aids - we should really just all work together to lessen the amount of free porn online, if we as an industry can't work towards that one goal - what the fuck worth are we then anyways? :2 cents: :winkwink:

i thought I got your attention. Everyone goes through shit... what is your stance?

My stance on what? On going through shit? All that matters is how do you come out on the other side?

You stay covered in shit, or you take a shower and get back to business? :2 cents:

arent these the same answers to the same Qs that Nathan gets bombarded with once a month when he posts here lol

Some countries have treaties and working partnerships in many ways in a global economy. And those that don't will find themselves the new hosting giants.

There are ways, implicating them would be a nightmare.

Banning every free site or tour with more than a nipple from the US and EU would be a great start. How does that fly against the Constitution?

Implementing such a ban properly would be very expensive. Unless a computer program can be developed to identify offending images, it needs people to sit and verify then pull the plug on them. Dreaming Governments will do this is pointless.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071877 Free porn is here to stay. It will kill sales.

The question now is how to adapt, can we adapt and is adaptation going to be profitable.

I just hit Google and found it within 1 minute.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/18/tech...face/index.htm

As far as technologically identifying images goes...

Facebook doesn't like hardcore adult content, right? How many people use facebook? ~ 901 million as of April this year according to PCmag - who knows maybe they can be bothered to release a developer plugin or cooperate with Manwin to make the Internet a safer place ;-)

OK we now have the technology to identify the offending images.

So how do we enforce it on a Global basis?

1) Don't all domains resolve in the USA? If so, problem solved. Get in line or lose your domain.

2) Treaties. Get in line or get sanctioned / have your internet shut off.

3) Give the internet to the UN. Not really something I'd like to see, but it is a solution. Get in line or they turn off the internet in your country.

You can already fingerprint your videos. Problem is, that really isn't a real solution because once you identify where it is, you are in the same boat as sending a DMCA. Something hardcore has to happen. SOPA v2 or something else. I'm all for it. And I've said it 100 times before, I could do without Facebook, Youtube, Tumblr, or any other site. I had a life before the internet and I'd get along just fine after those sites were gone or regulated. What happens to them, or any site, is not my concern. New laws need to be made and everyone follows them or you lose out.

A change in 2257 holding everyone responsible for the models information would be a game changer. And a law that would hold responsible the advertisers of a pirate site would also be a game changer.

I'm 100% in support of very harsh laws. I'll live with it. I already live in a country that censors the internet and blocks many websites so it's really not a stretch for me if I lose some more. You'd be surprised how perfectly fine life is without parts of the net. And I'm not a person who supports censorship, but I also see it as the only way that is going to bring the internet under control. It can not continue to be a lawless area where anyone can do anything with little or no consequences.

DWB, I support your sentiments, however the problem is that on a technical level the net is designed to just route around disruption or censorship. It's built into it's architecture, nothing anyone can do about that now.

You can have all the rules and regulations you like, the net will find a way around them (on a purely technical level).

Indeed. Paul's old, his memory has gone...bless.

Next you'll be saying he can't get it up...


.. oh wait :1orglaugh

Need Damian on this and his method of making that ineffective. Otherwise. :thumbsup

will work in countries that sign up to it.

Now that's radical.

There is one very easy method to do it for most. The billing system.

The Internet isn't free. It's a huge business. Show me a truly free site and I'll change that. We do have Usenet and that needs someone technical to tell us about. Still for the rest of the Internet it's about generating income. cut off the money flow and people will sit up and take notice.

Now all we need is the US Government to step in. :Oh crap

My point with his clothes, no worries the trolls will come and protect him. They need his traffic. :1orglaugh

I honestly don't know the ins and outs of the tech side of the net. However, I do see that the US Government seizes domains, and they were able to put together the arrest for Megaupload in another country. That is enough to tell me that something could be done at some level.

That said, didn't they more or less do a good job of blocking the net in Syria? And as you know, they block a lot of sites here in Thailand. Of course a proxy will get around that, but Joe Public doesn't use a proxy.

My point is, if they really wanted to find a way, I have faith they could.

It's going to take something radical.

Pornographers calling out for government censorship amuses me no end.

If you have any ideas for a better solution that does not involve the government or new laws, I'm all ears - seriously. :)

Some good feedback and ideas from DWB and Paul (I knew you still have it in you! :pimp )

Thinking out loud here... Aren't the Root DNS servers under Verisign's control / authority?

Maybe Manwin would like to merge with / buy OpenDNS and / or CloudFlare to "accelerate" the Internet (and pick up a nice revenue-stream and tech-companies with a really great teams along the way) and along the way now have control over many, many users DNS querries... You get where I'm going with this? :winkwink:

Why? Do you think it's OK to rape someone and film it just because we're in the porn business? How about child porn or sex with animals. How about kids having sex with animals? Simulated forced sex? Shitting on people's faces? All porn depending on who you ask.

Just because we make porn for a living doesn't mean why have to disagree rules and regulations being put on the internet.

We all have to abide by rules. Only criminals and anarchists want to live in a lawless society. Which one are you?

There is no 'solution'.

Damian doesn't have ideas, he just has negative comments which are usually pro-piracy, and stalking tendencies towards certain GFY members.

Geez, you sound so negative - how come?

If I've learned anything then that there is always a solution to a problem. :2 cents:

It's just the question if you want to be part of the solution, or part of the problem... :)

You see, that's the problem with freedom of speech. There is always someone saying something you disagree with. So, the choice boils down to if you want freedom of speech or not. It's black and white.

Also, and more importantly, it's impossible to put rules and regulations on the internet because it is global and there is no global law. Even if there was, people will ALWAYS find a way round them, like TOR for example. Like the second level internet.

I believe that the whole money/piracy thing is a red herring anyway. Piracy existed for free a very long time before file lockers came around. And it will continue to exist if file lockers credit card processessing is stopped. Usenet, IRC, private FTP, forums, torrents etc all exist for free.

I don't believe the problems the industry are facing are much to do with piracy. More to do with 1) A massive double dip recession that is fucking over EVERYONE 2) Years of treating our customers like cunts (circle jerks, card banging, hidden x sales, dialers, throttling bandwidth, content rotation, spamming, selling email addresses etc etc.)

We'll see though. If you all do manage to close all CC processessing for file lockers and then everyone sees a HUGE growth in sales, I will eat my hat and apologise. However, I have a feeling that won't happen.

It's nice to have something to blame for a greedy industry's short sighted failures. It is convenient. However, I don't think it's accurate.

Time will, as they say, tell.

History, and billions of dollars wasted by the RIAA and MPAA have proven there is no solution.

It's like the war on drugs. Simply impossible to win.

I believe if the time and money spent on trying to fight an impossible war were spent on making the product better, we could achieve something. Like iTunes Music Store. Everyone, EVERYONE said the music industry would never recover from Napster/Audio Galaxy days. But all it needed was a better solution. Easy, reasonably priced and elegant to use. And lo, digital legal music sales are through the roof.

Think on't.

See, now we're getting somewhere.

Yes, I agree - there should be a low inhibition / entry level access to pay-to-enjoy porn, absolutely.

No need to give away the "house" for ~ 4.95 though.

From my experience, you would not believe (well the numbers are actually in another thread on this board 300.000 usd failure or so) what people are willing to spend if you give them exactly what they want - so keeping this in mind - sure 4.95 or heck even 2.95 can get you "into the door" but if you want the good stuff, it'll cost you some more - like anything in life really - you get what you pay for. It should def. be 100% transparent though, no fucking around with amounts / billing etc. A coin-system is usually fair in that aspect. You load up say 50 bucks worth in coins (virtual currency) and you can spend it on the go for stuff you really choose to consume.

If there is a good product people are willing to pay for it, no need to give it away for free or for peanuts :2 cents:

// Edit: CCBill / TMM / NATS - what are your thoughts on a coin-system would you be willing to offer something for interested parties?

Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply. He hasn't got a clue and for some reason is against any attempts.

I always had it in me. Stopping the money flow is the easiest way for the US to achieve a a win in a major battle. It will be fought on home soil, As Visa and MC are US based ultimately, and it would help if the EU follow. Just reducing the US income from offenders, will make them sit up and take notice. anyone remember the 1% CB ceiling and cross sale rules they implemented?

You can't put the genii back in the bottle.

People will always pirate and give away content for free. 10TB is uploaded to usenet EVERY DAY. For free! And downloaded for free.

Let's look at music. Type any popular artist's name into google and you see pirate downloads. You can still get any music you want for free. Yet people are still buying it via Amazon, itunes, etc.

You need to forget about trying to stop free porn, you won't EVER do that.

Concentrate on making a better product than the free porn.

Freedom of speech and laws are not the same thing. You can't hide behind freedom of speech when it comes to child porn. Kim Dotcom can't hide behind it for being a pirate.

Today there is not a way to deal with it. That I agree with. However, that could change as soon as tomorrow or never. Just a few years ago streaming video was impossible. TOR didn't exist.

All it takes is the right people to create the right laws and there is a global solution. One law could change to put the burden on domain registrars and that would be the end of that.



Piracy is just a small part of the problem. Economy, saturation, lack of credit, crappy sites and service... a perfect storm.

No one is going to see a huge growth in sales even if piracy ended today. You still have all the other factors to deal with plus everyone has been taught they no longer have to pay for anything. So you would need a new generation to come along plus all the financial issues resolved, before the stage could be set for a spike in sales to happen.

Like I said, it's only part of the problem and it's easy to point at because they are here. They are among us. The global bankers and government officials are not.

No, that just means they didn't find the solution.

Billions are also wasted on rockets that don't fly. That doesn't mean man can't go to space, it just means some people can't build rockets.

Yep, I totally agree with you on this one. This industry must come with new tech driven incentives that are easy to use/understand and with some good pricing.

Many programs are floating on what once made themselves successful and consumers have better things to do then being bounded to $29,95 subscription plans.

The iTunes Music Store is a great example. Also the modern consumer has more ways to spend their online time (take a look at the # related to social gaming). Virtual goods/social gaming is booming.

http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webprone...book-games.jpg

And now for your viewing pleasure and insight into some GFY tactics...

http://i.imgur.com/h8i5c.jpg

Now carry on - I like what we have going here so far, this has serious potential. :thumbsup

The old model of charging $X at the door is lucky to have survived this long. Consumers are experiencing different models of monetization in almost everything they deal with online apart from Porn. From the consumer's perspective porn sites are stuck on some arcane 1995 model that has done well to survive until now.

Because porn is different than any other thing they spend time or money on.

1) It is private and secret. People do not usually openly share porn info with their real names attached to it.

2) It often carries baggage of shame or guilt.

3) It feeds addiction.

4) For those not single, it is often viewed with others in their household are away or sleeping. This sort of falls under #1.

5) It is impulsive. Music and Hollywood movies are not. Neither is social media or games. When a guy needs to rub one off, he needs to rub one off.

6) The want/need to orgasm trumps all other urges / impulses. It is stronger than wanting to play a game, stronger than to want to listen to music, and stronger than the desire to watch a Hollywood blockbuster. People want to cum and they want to cum now. They want to find the right fantasy or girl and get off. This is the part that separates porn from the music and Hollywood movie industry. People don't need music. They don't need Hollywood. They don't even need games. But they need to cum.

I'm sure I could think of several other things that make it different, but you get the point.

Porn doesn't need different pricing to make it sell again, however an easier way to sell it would help. Like if Paypal would allow adult again for pay sites. No doubt that would up sales for everyone who used them. Who wants to type in a credit card and give their name to a porn company, especially if they have already been burned? It's 1000x easier and safer to use Paypal. The last thing I want to do while my cock is in my hand is find my CC and type in a bunch of shit on a join form. Make it super easy to join again and sales would rise. This is why so many file lockers use Paypal, it's so easy you're a retard not to join them.

Then you have Google who allows the tubes, lockers, and torrents to dominate, so finding it for free is easier and faster than ever. Even if you wanted to pay for it, 2 minutes in Google can change that. I can find my content for free on Google faster than I can find my real site on Google. And every time we work to change that, Google dances and they fuck us again.

But given the current way of billing and our history of fucking the consumer, why anyone pays for porn anymore on a paysite is beyond me. I guess it just comes down to impulse and not being able to find THAT GIRL, THAT SCENE, or THAT COLLECTION of content somewhere else. Logically, there is no other reason.