Your whole post was great and obviously you've thought about all of this alot, and refined your thoughts.

However given the choice between paying directly and paying indirectly, which is more likely to be the case ?

Holly Paul Markhem. Why would anyone waste there time talking to him lol. U guys have nothing better to do then beat a dead horse lol

Alex, I'd like for AdultKing to rephrase that question for $500.

what goes up must come down

Very easy to say. Now let's think of how we can do it.

10 cents a scene?
$1 a scene?

Or nothing a scene and as much as you like when you like it?

I pointed out the flaw in this a while back, but will restate it.

If someone wants a Radiohead record and there's a very cheap version available. People may buy it.

If someone wants a Brazzers version of a porn scene and there are scenes available for a low price. There are lots of other brands very similar available for free in as much quantity as needed.

This was an idea I came up with years ago and it was rightly ridiculed. I still think launching sites with 20 scenes approx for $5 is a good idea. :winkwink:

What we have to always consider is porn is a very different product to most other online product.

Unlike Google we don't have a bottomless pit of people who will give us money to advertise. Monetising porn traffic isn't the same as monetising SE traffic.

Most porn is pretty average, because there simply isn't the money in porn to produce a truly great product.

Porn surfers are very focused. They have an erection to deal with.

Most porn in a niche and style is very similar to other versions.

Once a porn scene is seen it's done, gone and forgotten.

Few scenes are viewed over and over again.

A good porn scene is 20 minutes of pleasure, then the viewer will get on with his life.

Comparing monetising porn traffic with what FB, Google, YT do. Is like feeding a cow what a chicken eats because they both live on a farm.

There are no global laws, nor global law enforcers. The internet is global. Do the math.

Come up with an example for stopping something on the internet globally.

If there was a global law enforcement, possibly. But there isn't.

They said that about music. And video games. And movies. Look at Steam and iTunes and netflix.

Good comments.

Later this summer I'll write a lengthy and expose on piracy and some things to breath a little life back into copyright holders. For the most part though it's a done game.
Small niche people can make a modest living but for the most part there is so much content out there now that one can essentially cycle through it all and it's new again.

Reading many of the posts here makes one realise that few here have a clue about marketing porn.

Porn is a very specific product, comparing porn traffic with YT, FB, etc traffic is wrong. Comparing it with Google traffic with a stretch of the imagination might be closer.

A porn surfer has a specific need, to jerk off most of the time. His attention is focused, he's often got an erection and only intends being there a short while. As soon as he's satisfied he's away from the porn. Like searching for a plumber on Google, once you find the plumber you're off Google.

Now here's the difference. The surfer has the "plumber" with him, he doesn't need two plumbers. Now you might be able to sell him a sign up to the porn site, we all know what those ratios are like and how good the porn needs to be.

You might get him to click on an advert and sell a small number something porn related. You can't sell him a TV, computer or beer and even if you could, the odds on him buying are low.

The audience on FB, YT etc. Are completely different, they are browsing, passing time, wandering through, socialising. This traffic with some targeting you can sell a much broader range of goods.

Comparing Walmart traffic with porn site traffic is like comparing a dog with a carpet. For no reason I can think of, not can anyone with any marketing know how.

The best way to limit piracy and to enforce online porn laws, is via the money. Cut or restrict the money flow and it will make an effect. Convince Visa and MC to enforce rules, with sites not complying being cut off.

Oh, you used to say piracy didn't have an impact on the porn market, what changed your mind?

Wow. Reading DamianJ being quoted by other people.

His ignorance knows no bounds.
"Come up with an example for stopping something on the internet globally."

Okay. Put up a cp site and see what happens to you.

The idiot is mincing his words. The reality is that if you cut off the U.S. and major European markets to a website (either the ability to be seen or the ability to process money...or both) then you effectively shut them down.

If Pornhub were only able to be seen and/or billed in some third world shit hole, it would die.

And as many of us have already proven...technology is a TWO headed sword. It works to STOP piracy just as well as it works to help make it possible.

But only people who are actually IN the porn biz know this. Guys who are just parasites working on the fringes of this industry do nothing but spout their b.s. theories because they have nothing and have no knowledge of how it really works.

Fabian owes Paul Markham (and those who can't resist replying to him) a christmas card.

Good job guys:thumbsup:upsidedow

True. Took the entire heat off his dumb ass completely.
Thread is completely derailed.

Paul must be on the Manwin payroll.

You are embarrassing yourself. Seriously.

1) Ever hear of INTERPOL?

2) Since when has the USA cared about international law? If they want it, they do it. End of story.

Ask Kim Dotcom how the lack of international laws is working out for him.

3) The FBI has offices (legal attaches) all over the world, in most major cities, located inside the US Embassy. If they need to deal with something based on violation of US law, that is what they are there for.

What did the FBI do to the online poker sites they wanted to close? They seized their domains. They also sized domains for counterfeiting sites. They couldn't seize the actual sites or touch the owners in China, but they can touch the domains, and that is all that matters.


Lay the burden in the lap of the registrars, who lose the right to sell domains if they refuse to cooperate. Problem solved.

A crusty old fart works tirelessly from his meek little cottage in a small town this side of bumfuck nowhere to convince the world that he knows more than they do and begins to believe whatever he says is THE TRUTH although the world around him knows he is lying... until one day they begin to believe his crap and accept his vision of the universe...

Not possible you say? Not in your neighborhood?

Well maybe not where you live. But then again, you must not have an address in...

The TWILIGHT ZONE...

A thread isn't truly ruined until Markham shows up. Had to stop reading somewhere on page 5.

Cliff notes from there?

Did you read that Farrel?

Robbie and DWB. Damian knows the truth. All it takes is the will of the US Government to start the ball rolling and the EU will follow along and piracy will be dealt a blow it will never recover from. Why he keeps going on and on trying to deny the truth is something we can only guess at.

His "wasting time and money" excuse is blown out of the water, the moment he wastes time and money by continually posting.

What he should be telling us is how will 3wayscash deal with the new ATVOD rules. Not wasting time and money fighting against change.

You seem to have a need to stink up other's threads with your stupid...clueless...endless babbling. I wish you would stick to your own threads...as one can at least avoid those.

What sites have they closed?

What international law?

Who suggested otherwise?

Really. So those sites just gave up? Or did they just reopen?

Clue: they reopened. In a matter of hours.




Why do you think you can do what the mpaa and riaa failed to do?

Really? What piracy has been stopped by technology. I think you tried the old letter blackmail scam a while ago. Not done it since...why not?

Well do educate me then, in between your lines of coke. Explain how technology has worked to stop piracy.
Can't wait!

Last post to you, and not even sure why I'm wasting my time on this one. It is painfully clear you not only support piracy, but you are probably a massive, freeloading, pirate yourself. Wouldn't be surprised if you own a file locker full of nasty content. Your pro-piracy ramblings have become as bad as Gideons.

INTERPOL, none. You said there "no global law enforcers." You were wrong. But that doesn't mean they couldn't in the future. None of us have any idea what plans are being made for future raids,arrests, and seizures, and who is going to do them. While the FBI may not be able to chase someone down in China, INTERPOL can if they needed to. It just hasn't gone that far yet. Maybe it won't. But then again, maybe it will.


There are international treaties between many countries currently. More could be added in a blink of an eye, even though it would break your heart.

There are international banking rules and regulations, and most of them are created by the USA. If they can strong arm international banks, registrars (or any other internet organization) don't stand a chance.


That is not the point. The point is their domains were seized by the FBI.

Stay on topic. You asked for how things could be done and I told you. The FBI seizes domains and they could take oron or any other should they see fit to do so. If they reopen or not is anyone's guess. And then they could take those domains if they wanted to.

So what if they reopened? The USA changed banking laws so it's more difficult to gamble and illegal for US citizens.

You clearly have no real understanding of the full reach of US law and what they will do when they want something.


You would know.

Why didn't Megaupload reopen? Clue: The local authorities sized all their shit because the US government told them to.


Why do I have to do with anything?

But if you want to get technical, they were just trying to stop piracy. There are many other ways to do away with a lot of these sites than just piracy issues. But I'm sure you know that too.

BTW... you're quite the little girl for running to Eric or Theo today to have Euker banned. Guess Fabian isn't the only one in this thread who easily gets butt hurt.

:2 cents: Damian, hit one of the file lockers you frequent, grab some CP, build a site with it, and let us know how it all works out.

According to you, there is nothing that can be done on an international level to stop you. So go for it. :thumbsup

I look forward to the proof you have of my being involved in any illegal activity. Hate to see you banned...

Sadly I must agree.

:disgust

If he isn't, he should be :mad:

Just FYI, INTERPOL doesn't actually "chase" anybody down. They don't have a jail, or officers out making busts or anything like that. It's essentially just an administrative organization facilitating cooperation amongst the member states police agencies. :2 cents:

I hope, I really hope, GFY doesn't still give out swag to biggest thread starter of the week/month.

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songs cost a dollar on itunes and they still pirate it. People tried cheap sites for years and they never took off. Lens tried it , I had a Boss when I worked at a lingerie modeling place over 15 yrs ago. Had a pay site $5 a month and it made nothing. As the success of the clips 4 sale model shows people will pay and pay close to what they pay for a whole month for one scene. It being too expensive is the excuse

Unsure of the destiny of this non-topic thread (it keeps up just because started by Nathan and feeded by Markham), however for the quoted low pricing thing, I could say my experience it is, that for $2.95 per month we are getting a number of indians, malaysians, turkish and even north americans signing up, that may have not at $19+.
We introduced a $2.95/mo and $4.95 per 60 days access pricing in 2010 for chatGF scheduled live shows, idea came out after I seen how much total money was spent by iphone users as "it is just $2". But 2+2+2+2+2+2 = finally they spend a lot, even if subtle way they don't think at the total on the moment.
I mean if you put a price $20 they say "no, never", but if you split the service in 10 things costing $2 each, it could be they buy for total $20 in pieces.
Now, there is no way to make serious profit at $2.95/mo even if many signed up given the per-transaction and/or % fees for so micro amounts (google and apple may have cheaper per transaction fees than the average joe). Also $2.95 guys may consume all the support people time with silly questions as they PAID lol.
However it is nice to see those guys from third world countries buying the access, some even fail for "insufficient funds" at $2.95 so I wonder, but they can be even more to signup from south east asia, arabics than north america + west europe some days, probably because most sites block their countries completely or if not blocked, have not so cheap access in options.
So access could be free or $2.95 but the money you do in other way, later, so give access free it is perhaps best. Our $2.95 is just to keep out the too many freebies who would blah blah too much in chats, disturbing, this applies to cams only maybe.

Sandro szny also mentions people playing games in facebook; well as my nickname and reg date implies I am into "mobile" from 2003 and before, and actually developed games (no adult), and I can say the most profitable mobile games (and so, web ones?) it is the freemium. Again the game is free download & install & play, until at certain point you need more items you buy in shop for $2, or stuff like that. Example is RPG's where you should play like 10 hours to have more powerful sword instead go buy it for $2.

Let's see it like myfreecams (or chaturbate or our tubecamgirl), it is freemium because the free guy can see naed girls playing, even chat to them, but no any girl will ever reply or care to them as they're free users. They are losers who see the girl replying to who tipped her the most money. So you go in shop and buy $$ to tip the girl who will then greet you. It is same as guy who buy gold or swords in RPG in phone (or who remembers ultima online those guys selling in ebay entire castles LOL).

Unsure I helped anyone here as I said about cams and video games (which is not porn or "cum" based, but really a social engineering & legal scam), honestly I have no idea how to do money with (let people pay for) prerecorded content when similar or same prerecorded content it is available free. My experience with buying traffic on tubes it is they do not want put affiliate links (no rev share), but instead just sell spots to brokers or anyone who buy at given price - and it is cams and gaming (gambling) mostly to buy.

Awaiting Markham's reply.

350 games being played.

That is correct. It is not like people see in the movies.

Additionally, Interpol does not get involved unless your local/state/fed law enforcement make a request directly to them. You have to submit a report there, and if you're lucky... your county has someone who deals with internet bullshit. If not, you will just get bounced around until you have to write the state attorney general, and then they assign it to the state police or ICE. That is the FBI division that deals with computer crimes.

Sadly I know all of this because I've had to go through all of these steps, and agencies, because of some of the psychotics who frequent GFY and think their internet gangster crap has no limits.

:disgust

Why can't we all get along?
Is it because this "industry" is filled with people who couldn't get a job doing anything else?

Just sayin'.

wow. good read and surprising mental breakdown by the OP. i'm seeing the cracks in the Manwin foundation that many predicted. expand too fast and your little balloon will pop...

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You ever seen Mike South?

Bag of bones if he didn't play games he wouldn't get any action.

Yep. I saw him in Miami. When people call him the "Mouth of the South" and it conjurers up the mental image of the southerner you see on TV waving a confederate flag, that's him. At least that is what he reminds me of when I look at him physically.

I am not saying he is a backwater ignorant hick by any means. I hear the dude used to work for NASA or some shit. Unless he was a janitor, I would assume he is a smart guy by default.

:2 cents:

i agree. i pretty much like anything DWB posts. why doesn't GFY have a 'like' button? this board is an antique..

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LOL I did work at NASA and I wasnt da janitor....I did relational db design and implementation and OOM (mid 80s to 90s)

As for my life...Im thrilled with it, anyone knows me very well knows the LONG list of A List pornchicks and stripper magazine model types I have dated OFF Camera...

And still do I might add....

meanwhile I will now turn this thread back over to Paul

...as I said. One smart cookie fine sire.

:2 cents:

I ask Fabian hard questions he doesn't answer. The idiots and ass kissers ask nothing and derail the thread.

So let's get back to asking FT hard questions.

Can he tell us where the 9 figure loan has gone.
Can he tell us which offices hold how many staff.
Can we ask him how many floors they have in the Montreal office.
Can he allow a non ass kisser to verify his figures.

The question of where the money came from to buy MW will never be answered, like the question of where the 9 figure loan came from. We can ask him when it will be spent and where. Like we can ask him to prove the figure of employees they state.

I caught him out with his knowledge of how much office space he has in Montreal, idiots and ass kissers focused on a side quip to avoid him answering the real questions.

OK we know he doesn't listen to him PR lady. Maybe he would like to give me her phone number so I can verify she exists.

Try putting a Brazzers scene on C4S and see how well it sells. Or any of the mass market, mass pirated porn. C4S is essentially Ma & Pa operations and porn that isn't every where online.

The day I see a C4S advert on PH is the day we can look at the C4S sales model.

Here's a way to slash costs and split test the models.

Offer affiliates the options of driving traffic to a site with two tours. Tour A the traditional model.

Tour B. Cut affiliate payouts and support to the bone to save money. Sell cheap memberships or/and single scenes from the sample clips featured on the tour. The sample clips could revolve every time a surfers lands on the site, to offer lots of different options for the single sales. Maybe offer 3 for the price of two type discounts.

Now affiliates can choose what tour they promote and see if the extra sales will cover the drop in their revenue.

Anyone is welcome to tinker with this idea of adapting the iTunes micro payment solution.