Oh yeah, I've been doing robotics with FIRST for years and have been programming since I was 8 in 20ish languages now. Most of that money comes from local sponsors, though :upsidedow

I really only started affiliate marketing a few years ago to make money, everything else is just for fun.

CJ.com and Affiliate Future are my top earners by far with random product blogs after niche and individual product keyword research and some seo thrown in there, but I still make about 5k/month with adult now too plus hourly side jobs :pimp

I remembered him ranting about GFY in that video and had to find it and turn it into a GIF. Luckily for me it only took him 2 minutes into the video to start going on and on about it.

the good old days, when PM was in the business ...

I feel it perfectly captures the essence of the Paul we all love.
Can't help but laugh every time I see it.

It's easy to bitch because I know so many people that did so damn well with relatively little effort. There were some fools who made a killing for a time.
Yes, you are right the time of opportunists is over.
Also from what I've read you have some intelligence so it's not a surprise that you are doing well.
My largest problem now (luckily it's known to me) is keeping everything organized with spreadsheets. Lately Microsoft Access is something that is very attractive to keep personal databases of all the relevant information in my work/contacts/everything-else.

Feel free to use it after every wall of text or incorrect statement.

Seems I am being DDOSed. Told Phatservers

Thanks, only just opened the sites to check.

You didn't hear? I'm retired and just on here to keep up with the news.


I will let you into a piece of info that must of escaped you. This has been said to me a 1,000 times and ignored by me every time.

My reason for doing this has sailed over most peoples heads. So here it is again.

For years I've listened to the bullshit most of you guys working in one man bands, living off check to check and telling me how great online porn was compared with the older way of doing things. A business that was based on selling, instead of giving it away for free. And people finding any slim excuse to tell me I was wrong, like the global reach and the 10,000s on their free site.

Well today it's obvious to all but the incredibly stupid that the Internet has reduced the porn business to all but a shadow of what it was. And it's my turn to tell you clever guys. YOU FUCKED UP.

So don't waste your valuable time telling me I'm wasting my time. I'm retired, my ship came in and when it stops raining I will be in the garden. :thumbsup

Probably was around then. The porn shop empires were creaming it. The turnover of one shop was fantastic. I know David Sullivan fairly well, well enough to talk business with him and was involved in selling Videos to a distributor who sold to shops. An average shop turned over $1,000,000 a year. The profit margin was staggering. My videos were bought wholesale at $8 and sold for $40, better ones were bought for up to $10 and sold for $50.

Multiply this by all the shops around the world to get a picture of that sector of the porn industry. Then add rental to the equation, it was huge and doubled the turn over in sales of the videos.

Now add cable TV. Richard Desmond, sold his porn magazine empire when the decline in magazine sales started. He retained ownership of his adult cable TV network. Cable was huge and how the better end movies paid for themselves.

Now add softcore porn sales. Shooting still on a decent adult film set it was clear that the softcore market was very important. Imagine spending 4-6 hours shooting a scene to get all the different versions. Hardcore, medium core and softcore. Sometime funded by the shooter, more often funded by the studio because of the capital outlay. The aim was to shoot movies that would sell licenses around the world and into different markets in the same country.

Then magazines. Whatever State or country banned porn. Sales of magazines were phenomenal. Much has been made of what we magazine shooters made for a set. The magazines weren't paying this because they were broke. Absolute cash cow.

A lot has been made of the global reach of online porn and the millions of surfers. Yet were do sales come from. Brazil, China, Mexico, India or US, EU, AU and the places where they were already buying porn?

The number of surfers on The Hun doesn't indicate the amount of money made by online porn. The indication is the numbers signing up. 1-100 banner clicks was good. How many bothered to click on a banner when they had no intention of buying?

how many when they did buy, downloaded everything and cancelled because they had 6 months supply of porn? Average retention sucked online. Now it's worse. For $30 I can probably download enough porn to keep me happy for the year. So can everyone else. Most do, members aren't stupid.

Just don't tell me a company, that no one has a clue of how much it really turns over is the biggest thing in porn, is justification for your argument. Their were porn shop chains making far more.

Still it's all over and not coming back. Great to be part of it and get out with enough to live out my life on. Most of you can't say that. :thumbsup

quoted for truth...

its funny when someone says adult is in its best moment ever.

obviously some fuckers are doing cash with blackhat and SCAM ewhoring or shitty ILEGAL datings and ILLEGAL CAM sponsors like awempire supporting PIRACY SITES...

I wonder why nobody has put their eyes over AWEMPIRE and their ponzi MODEL of suporting illegal sites and illegal image hosting sites, plus illagal forums to take down their business completely, like they do with file lockers...

this must be the most hypocrite business on planet earth

I think I understand you a little better now Paul, you honestly believe that turning a million a year is killing it.

In the 90s major companies were turning 10 million plus a MONTH, and agree or not, there are people doing it NOW !!!!

Magazines (all not just porn) started dying the day the world wide web went live to the public.

Idiot.

Go read it again.

I have read it several hundred times Paul, it is the same as every other post / thread that comes out of you.

You actually have no concept of how, or how much money, is or has been made in online porn, and it STILL being made today.

There are tens of thousands, likely over 100,000 porn memberships happening every single day, right now, today, the only difference is who is getting them.

Unlike you Paul, I have spent more than a decade inside a major online porn company, I have seen and analyzed more than 15 million porn memberships.

Right NOW, there are AFFILIATES, not programs, doing well over 1,000 joins a day.

Sadly most people here have never learned the one basic rule of ALL business, separate money from the consumer.

now that was amusing... :winkwink:

Thank you.

Jeff's post tells us so much.

I quote what 1 average shop, in a city, in a country, in 1 section of the offline porn industry did. And he replies with what he thinks replaced the industry. Some of the big programs were doing well.

And now he tells us he's some big guy inside a major online porn company and how he's seen and analyzed more than 15 million porn memberships. Maybe from http://clientlion.com/. I suggest he comes up with some proof before he posts more.

Because today we all know the truth. It's over and it's not coming back.

What we do know is AFF share launch, remember how everyone thought they were big dogs?

Lensman sold Adult.com for $9 million. So he was no where near the top, must of been one of the little guys. Nice chunk of change, but not a business doing $10 million a month.

100,000 memberships every day. That's $3,000,000 ever day. That's $1,095,000,000 a year. And his proof is no where to be found.

Replacing an industry that did over a billion a month. Jeff go do the maths on video sales alone. Calculate it on 10,000 titles a year selling 10,000 each time at $40 and you will have the US market. On just video sales.

100,000 memberships a day. We can all judge what the average conversion rates on surfer uniques and a membership bought. Major Tubes which have the the biggest slice of the traffic, are more than happy to sell traffic to other people. At 1-1,000 uniques 100,000 sign ups a day is 100 billion surfers. Are there that many people online? And this is in the declining days of online porn. :1orglaugh

That's assuming the ratio between surfers and sign ups is that low. Not people who go to a tour.

Nice to have someone quote figures, I can do some maths with. :thumbsup

Jesus Christ Paul you are a fucking Parrot.

We have been down the email domain road before.

The millions of members I have seen was when I worked for a small online company a few people here *might* have heard of, The half a billion dollars paid to affiliates I used to fly in my sig was no lie, since I do not work for that company any longer, I have no reason to lie about it, it was REAL money paid out to affiliates. That was one company.

Since you brought up AFF, how much was it sold for.

Lensman sold a single domain for 9 million, if someone bought it for that, how much do you think it made ?

Glad you did that maths for me Paul, my 100,000 estimate is far to low, if you do not think a billion a year is being processed in online porn, you are more delusional that I thought.

Your Video Sales is 4 billion a year.

1:1000 - If conversions really were at 1:1000 there would be no Google adwords for porn, email guys would just stop, the only people doing 1:1000 either know they are pushing shit traffic, or simply do not know what the hell they are doing.

In the mean time, paying $40 bucks a join on straight to join page linking, also buying cross sales, upsells, you name it, but honestly, if you can't push 10 sales a day, contact someone else.

No I do not have affiliate content, no I do not offer galleries, no I do not have tube videos for you to submit. I have employees that will do that shit for me for a better ROI.

As for proof Paul, I could post stats, which you would claim are fake, I could call out friends, but it is really no ones business who I do business with.

Anyway I have to run, have to walk around the neighborhood and pick up chihuahua shit.

Now you have the sales figure for the US only. Add rental it doubles the figure.

And this is videos, add something for hardcore magazines. And we have shops in the US covered.

Now add the rest of the world. Yes porn was global. Not as Global as the Internet, still global and it had to be bought.

Now add cable, sex lines, magazines, softcore videos to get a better picture of what online porn took over.

You have nothing to post because the companies you claim are doing these huge numbers don't publish them.

Just tell us what you exactly do beside the emails. I could expose you as a fraud by sending you one from an email from an account that's not linked to me. So step up and tell us what you do. Or is that like everything else a secret? :1orglaugh

What emails are you talking about ? Just like it says above, I am buying joins, any kind, have a tube, I buy your traffic, selling cross sales, I buy those, $40 a join, direct to join page linking. (crosses are not $40) unless they are REALLY fucking good

If you had some traffic Paul we could make a deal.

wow who fucking cares ?

you cant live in 2004 you fucking stupid cunt paul

its 2012 - the net has changed - adult has changed

the only thing the same is you are here talking crap on gfy desparately looking for attention

to see you crapping on with yet another hypothetical truly shows what a fucking loser you are

traffic is easy to get and stats arent important

that is classic paul 'the idiot' markham right there

jeff youre nuts if engage this demented fool in any sort of dialogue

hes not capable of it mate. he just doesnt have the intelligence to mix it with anyone here other than dvtimes

Jeff,

Papillon is right.

Everyone that matter knows who you were an exec for , and KNOWS what you say is true.

Everyone that matters also knows that Markham is a joke. LOL

I also know of affils who can 1000 joins a day...@$40 plus a join.

(It is not me..I cannot do 1000s a day , everyday.)

I can actually name them..but wouldn't. So Markham will say its all lies. LOL

Mate...I was once told...""never wrestle with a pig , cause yr both going to roll round get dirty and nothing comes of it , cept the pig likes it"" ;-))

((SOB , u got me involved in a PM thread!!! ))

;-))

Well dang, start promoting MY shit! LOL

But QFT - guys like you KNOW "the truth" because your feet are on the ground, in the trenches. :)

Mister Peabody,

Could you add me to skype. You seem like "you get it". I don't really come on icq much anymore :)

;-))

skype "nickatilynx"

:)

If I get to know someone who knows what is going on as a result of a stupid post by me in a Markham thread...its a result :)

Good stuff....

ahahahaha fuck off Jel!! I told you that privately!!!!

lol sorry mate couldn't resist :D

LOL

not a problem.... ;-))

But what PM will think ...who knows ;-))

So you know the ratios that Tubes get these days. How many surfers to get a single click to a site tour?

If I had some traffic, I wouldn't need to give it to you to get a slice. I'm good enough at business to go direct.

You buy traffic and pay after it signs up. Whoopsy doopsy daisy.

Nickatilynx 1,000 joins a day at $40 a join. $40,000 turn over a day. $14,600,000 a year. A few might be on that. What were they making this time last year and what will they be making this time next year?

Misterpeabody will tap into this pot of gold. You're paying $40, so add your %, then there's his cost of running the sites, giving his people their slice and he should see a profit if the average membership is worth say $60.

Anyone who thinks the good old days are not over and not coming back is a fool. Just because a few make good money STILL, doesn't mean shit. If they made more last year and will make less next year. It still makes what I said TRUE. The "Good Old Days" will remain days gone by.

Pm ,

Please shush now..the grownups are talking.

I am maybe...if I boast...a C+ level webmaster in the scheme of things.I am being serious.

And I would bet in my worse yr (since 1997) I have netted more than you have in yr career.

Please stop talking ass.

Many people read this board.Some newbs might believe you. Honestly , this business has plenty of room for smart webmasters who are willing to learn.

Listening to you will put them back 5 years LOL

Look at my total posts.

I rarely post...but seriously when I see the shit you post , I cannot help myself.

((Damn u jeff!!!))

;-))

PM..seriously..ask around.Both Jeff and I have experience and credentials.

The fact that you do not know our credentials , to everyone that matters , makes you look even more foolish.

You are looking a total ass here.

Nobody believes you are a troll.Everyone that matters thinks you are an idiot.That's why they do not deal with you. some of my emplyees may have bought yr content for filler. They will now stop.

We just think you are bewildered. :)

Bewildered...lol

;-)))

You KNOW I feel bad for rising to this , don't you. LOL

Seriously...in the real world Markham would not be allowed to control the remote for the TV , let alone talk to people. He would be sent to his room with a beer and everyone smiling and nodding at him as he went ;-))

"" Yes Paul , in your day I bet it was..time for bed , here is a cup of Horlicks.All these people? They are going home , it is 7.30 pm...night night mate...yes they really are going home now..off you trott to bed now... "


;-))

lol in the real world someone would have drilled their fist right thru the guys face

he's fucking A grade wanker if there ever was one

Agreed.

I do not read the board maybe as much as perhaps I should.

((Old Jeff ((the asshole!!!)) drags me in with posts on a private board ))

Seriously does anyone REALLY think he knows what he is talking about?

He is a danger to webmasters if so.

Cause he is the reverse of Midas. ;-)

Everything he touches will turn to shit! Not gold ;-))

It's Paul Markham. He thinks being voted troll of the year is an honor because it's the only award he's ever won.

Realize who you are dealing with.

:spawn :)

LOL

I know....

Everytime I am out , he drags me back in!!! ;-))

((I seriously blame Jeff!!))

;-))

I know several guys that do more sales and revenue than most programs would ever dream of. Small operations, too.

Lots of money out there. Those that don't believe, just leave more for those that do. :-)

1000 joins a day at $40 plus..I know is being done.

As in KNOW.

Ain't it cool?

Where else can You become a millionaire in your pyjamas :)

I can show x hundred thousand people any product , every day.

You know how much rent for an equivlent store front with that pull that would cost?

Or print advertising?

Good advice for the 100s of people that read and never post..

PM needs to shut up.

ahahaha maybe we should do a thing like AdultKing did to fileshares

"shut up paul markham"

LOL ;-))

Damn.. I found a problem with that.

Do not know how to make money out of that idea.

Though it would be fun :)

Yeah, that's probably true. The best(most valueable) porn consumers has probably tried a lot of membership sites. And they, want exclusive content, hd videos, great high resolution pictures and "no download limits". :2 cents::)


btw: If you can give them this with your pay site, and you got the right "niche". Then you can make a ton of money, literally. But only if you have great marketing.... on top of your content, web site design and give them the best experience you can give them as a member of your pay site. :)

Funny thread...

Keep you and your non-moneymaking site nobody has heard of out of this.

This thread is only for the real big boys like Paul Markham to play in. :1orglaugh

All Paul from one thread.

Did he manage to say anything new?


Ironically, I received this error and had to cut some posts out: The text that you have entered is too long (11378 characters). Please shorten it to 10000 characters long.

paul i want to ensure you dont misunderstand any of these replies

you are a much respected and well loved member of the board

please keep posting as much as you can

we all enjoy your brilliant insight into the adult industry

thank you paul , thank you

This industry would have died without Paul here to give advice on how to succeed in online porn. I bet before every Manwin board meeting Fabian calls for a moment of prayer to thank God and Paul Markham.

Forgot all about this brilliant chop!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I was sitting there thinking... no... no, don't do it. Don't ever click on another Markham thread ever... never... ever again.

But then I thought, well maybe just this one more time, one more trip to the Markham show, and lo and behold...

A bonafied jedi web Master rocking the turntables! This thread isn't a broken record after all...

Worth the price of admission!

Thread saver :1orglaugh

Far-L!!! Nice to see. :)

Like you , I couldn't help myself. LOL

Once I saw him questioning Old Jeff's background...I thought "intercede on his behalf , I must. ";-))