Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19059295)

Bewildered...lol

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19059300)

Seriously...in the real world Markham would not be allowed to control the remote for the TV , let alone talk to people. He would be sent to his room with a beer and everyone smiling and nodding at him as he went ;-))


;-))

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 19059302)

lol in the real world someone would have drilled their fist right thru the guys face

he's fucking A grade wanker if there ever was one

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19059309)

Agreed.

I do not read the board maybe as much as perhaps I should.

((Old Jeff ((the asshole!!!)) drags me in with posts on a private board ))

Seriously does anyone REALLY think he knows what he is talking about?

He is a danger to webmasters if so.

Cause he is the reverse of Midas. ;-)

Everything he touches will turn to shit! Not gold ;-))

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19059318)

It's Paul Markham. He thinks being voted troll of the year is an honor because it's the only award he's ever won.

Realize who you are dealing with.

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19059202)

Jeff,

Papillon is right.

Everyone that matter knows who you were an exec for , and KNOWS what you say is true.

Everyone that matters also knows that Markham is a joke. LOL

I also know of affils who can 1000 joins a day...@$40 plus a join.

(It is not me..I cannot do 1000s a day , everyday.)

I can actually name them..but wouldn't. So Markham will say its all lies. LOL

Mate...I was once told...""never wrestle with a pig , cause yr both going to roll round get dirty and nothing comes of it , cept the pig likes it"" ;-))

((SOB , u got me involved in a PM thread!!! ))

;-))

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19059325)

I know several guys that do more sales and revenue than most programs would ever dream of. Small operations, too.

Lots of money out there. Those that don't believe, just leave more for those that do. :-)

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19056683)

The audience has been educated in far more than how to download free porn. It's also been educated to expect a great product.

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19059295)

Bewildered...lol

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19056683)

For online porn and not just for me, for everyone but a tiny few and even these will look back on 2012 as the "Good Old Days". Unless we can really do something or have something that returns us to conditions of days gone by.

For online porn it was probably 2005 to 2008. Some will say it was earlier or later for them. This is about the whole industry. Not individuals.

We need the return of the cost of band width to the days when traffic costs of a gallery on The Hun could be more than the sign ups value. Speed to be so slow that it's not possible to download full definition movies in 10 minutes and 144 a day. And that's slower than today's speeds.

Tubes will go bankrupt by showing movies in any size or length over 1 minute, in the hope some will click on an advert. And piracy will be just as unprofitable for most, with file lockers costing far more than they will make by charging a dollars to download all the content anyone needs for months on end.

Until people have to buy online porn. The good old days are gone.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19057445)

Yes, 100,000s of shops selling porn videos for $40 that were only 5 scenes and magazines were the real good old days. The Internet just combined production, wholesale and retail into one entity or a couple. Those days are very long gone. The size of that industry world wide was far more than online porn ever was.

No I have no real proof and neither fdoes anyone have proof to show it's not true. Logic tells me that when you had to but 5 a months supply every month. It would generate far more than a system where you didn't have to buy and when you did, you could get 6 months to a years supply for $30.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19057780)

Sorry, I screwed up my post.

I should of said.

No I have no real proof and neither fdoes anyone have proof to show it's not true. Logic tells me that when you had to buy a months supply every month, which was only 5 scenes. It would generate far more than a system where you didn't have to buy and when you did, you could get 6 months to a years supply for $30.

I like the replies. Nothing to say and use too many words to do it.

When ever the glory days of online porn were, they are gone. Never to return. While my ship made it to the shore, most of you will have to get a new one to finish your journey.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19058549)

Seems I am being DDOSed. Told Phatservers

Thanks, only just opened the sites to check.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19058560)

You didn't hear? I'm retired and just on here to keep up with the news.




I will let you into a piece of info that must of escaped you. This has been said to me a 1,000 times and ignored by me every time.

My reason for doing this has sailed over most peoples heads. So here it is again.

For years I've listened to the bullshit most of you guys working in one man bands, living off check to check and telling me how great online porn was compared with the older way of doing things. A business that was based on selling, instead of giving it away for free. And people finding any slim excuse to tell me I was wrong, like the global reach and the 10,000s on their free site.

Well today it's obvious to all but the incredibly stupid that the Internet has reduced the porn business to all but a shadow of what it was. And it's my turn to tell you clever guys. YOU FUCKED UP.

So don't waste your valuable time telling me I'm wasting my time. I'm retired, my ship came in and when it stops raining I will be in the garden. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19058585)

Probably was around then. The porn shop empires were creaming it. The turnover of one shop was fantastic. I know David Sullivan fairly well, well enough to talk business with him and was involved in selling Videos to a distributor who sold to shops. An average shop turned over $1,000,000 a year. The profit margin was staggering. My videos were bought wholesale at $8 and sold for $40, better ones were bought for up to $10 and sold for $50.

Multiply this by all the shops around the world to get a picture of that sector of the porn industry. Then add rental to the equation, it was huge and doubled the turn over in sales of the videos.

Now add cable TV. Richard Desmond, sold his porn magazine empire when the decline in magazine sales started. He retained ownership of his adult cable TV network. Cable was huge and how the better end movies paid for themselves.

Now add softcore porn sales. Shooting still on a decent adult film set it was clear that the softcore market was very important. Imagine spending 4-6 hours shooting a scene to get all the different versions. Hardcore, medium core and softcore. Sometime funded by the shooter, more often funded by the studio because of the capital outlay. The aim was to shoot movies that would sell licenses around the world and into different markets in the same country.

Then magazines. Whatever State or country banned porn. Sales of magazines were phenomenal. Much has been made of what we magazine shooters made for a set. The magazines weren't paying this because they were broke. Absolute cash cow.

A lot has been made of the global reach of online porn and the millions of surfers. Yet were do sales come from. Brazil, China, Mexico, India or US, EU, AU and the places where they were already buying porn?

Blah Blah Blah Blah

how many when they did buy, downloaded everything and cancelled because they had 6 months supply of porn? Average retention sucked online. Now it's worse. For $30 I can probably download enough porn to keep me happy for the year. So can everyone else. Most do, members aren't stupid.

Just don't tell me a company, that no one has a clue of how much it really turns over is the biggest thing in porn, is justification for your argument. Their were porn shop chains making far more.

Still it's all over and not coming back. Great to be part of it and get out with enough to live out my life on. Most of you can't say that. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19058710)

Idiot.

Go read it again.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19058760)

Thank you.

Jeff's post tells us so much.

I quote what 1 average shop, in a city, in a country, in 1 section of the offline porn industry did. And he replies with what he thinks replaced the industry. Some of the big programs were doing well.

And now he tells us he's some big guy inside a major online porn company and how he's seen and analyzed more than 15 million porn memberships. Maybe from http://clientlion.com/. I suggest he comes up with some proof before he posts more.

Because today we all know the truth. It's over and it's not coming back.

What we do know is AFF share launch, remember how everyone thought they were big dogs?

Blah Blah Blah

Replacing an industry that did over a billion a month. Jeff go do the maths on video sales alone. Calculate it on 10,000 titles a year selling 10,000 each time at $40 and you will have the US market. On just video sales.

100,000 memberships a day. We can all judge what the average conversion rates on surfer uniques and a membership bought. Major Tubes which have the the biggest slice of the traffic, are more than happy to sell traffic to other people. At 1-1,000 uniques 100,000 sign ups a day is 100 billion surfers. Are there that many people online? And this is in the declining days of online porn. :1orglaugh

That's assuming the ratio between surfers and sign ups is that low. Not people who go to a tour.

Nice to have someone quote figures, I can do some maths with. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19058839)

Now you have the sales figure for the US only. Add rental it doubles the figure.

And this is videos, add something for hardcore magazines. And we have shops in the US covered.

Now add the rest of the world. Yes porn was global. Not as Global as the Internet, still global and it had to be bought.

Now add cable, sex lines, magazines, softcore videos to get a better picture of what online porn took over.

You have nothing to post because the companies you claim are doing these huge numbers don't publish them.

Just tell us what you exactly do beside the emails. I could expose you as a fraud by sending you one from an email from an account that's not linked to me. So step up and tell us what you do. Or is that like everything else a secret? :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19059275)

So you know the ratios that Tubes get these days. How many surfers to get a single click to a site tour?

If I had some traffic, I wouldn't need to give it to you to get a slice. I'm good enough at business to go direct.

You buy traffic and pay after it signs up. Whoopsy doopsy daisy.

Nickatilynx 1,000 joins a day at $40 a join. $40,000 turn over a day. $14,600,000 a year. A few might be on that. What were they making this time last year and what will they be making this time next year?

Misterpeabody will tap into this pot of gold. You're paying $40, so add your %, then there's his cost of running the sites, giving his people their slice and he should see a profit if the average membership is worth say $60.

Anyone who thinks the good old days are not over and not coming back is a fool. Just because a few make good money STILL, doesn't mean shit. If they made more last year and will make less next year. It still makes what I said TRUE. The "Good Old Days" will remain days gone by.

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 19059495)

paul i want to ensure you dont misunderstand any of these replies

you are a much respected and well loved member of the board

please keep posting as much as you can

we all enjoy your brilliant insight into the adult industry

thank you paul , thank you

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19059623)

This industry would have died without Paul here to give advice on how to succeed in online porn. I bet before every Manwin board meeting Fabian calls for a moment of prayer to thank God and Paul Markham.

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19059670)

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19059300)

;-)))

You KNOW I feel bad for rising to this , don't you. LOL

Seriously...in the real world Markham would not be allowed to control the remote for the TV , let alone talk to people. He would be sent to his room with a beer and everyone smiling and nodding at him as he went ;-))

"" Yes Paul , in your day I bet it was..time for bed , here is a cup of Horlicks.All these people? They are going home , it is 7.30 pm...night night mate...yes they really are going home now..off you trott to bed now... "


;-))

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19059300)

Seriously...in the real world Markham would not be allowed to control the remote for the TV , let alone talk to people. He would be sent to his room with a beer and everyone smiling and nodding at him as he went ;-))

"" Yes Paul , in your day I bet it was..time for bed , here is a cup of Horlicks.All these people? They are going home , it is 7.30 pm...night night mate...yes they really are going home now..off you trott to bed now... "


;-))

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19059803)

I was sitting there thinking... no... no, don't do it. Don't ever click on another Markham thread ever... never... ever again.

But then I thought, well maybe just this one more time, one more trip to the Markham show, and lo and behold...

A bonafied jedi web Master rocking the turntables! This thread isn't a broken record after all...

Worth the price of admission!

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19057934)

Oh yeah, I've been doing robotics with FIRST for years and have been programming since I was 8 in 20ish languages now. Most of that money comes from local sponsors, though :upsidedow

I really only started affiliate marketing a few years ago to make money, everything else is just for fun.

CJ.com and Affiliate Future are my top earners by far with random product blogs after niche and individual product keyword research and some seo thrown in there, but I still make about 5k/month with adult now too plus hourly side jobs :pimp

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19059803)

I was sitting there thinking... no... no, don't do it. Don't ever click on another Markham thread ever... never... ever again.

But then I thought, well maybe just this one more time, one more trip to the Markham show, and lo and behold...

A bonafied jedi web Master rocking the turntables! This thread isn't a broken record after all...

Worth the price of admission!

Originally Posted by maxjohan (Post 19059397)

Yeah, that's probably true. The best(most valueable) porn consumers has probably tried a lot of membership sites. And they, want exclusive content, hd videos, great high resolution pictures and "no download limits". :2 cents::)

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19059891)

I dont know why everytime Paul comes here and start an interesting debate STATING FACTS, some people attack him.

It's stupid and so dumb to do that. It looks like they don't even read his post, they just paste captions and smileys...

Man, is that the kind of people you want to do business with? No way, they act like inmature dudes.

PIRIOD.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19059927)

And these things above all are why the good old days are over. Yes some still make money. Some make a lot of money. Most have problems making $50,000 a year.

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19059892)

I guess you are doing something special, and not just build blogs and promote them..

I mean, people doing JUST that, dont do that much. You do something other people don't and thats the reason you don't show your sites...

People doing that much do something special and different from the rest nowadays.

And even doing 30 blogs per day and posting so much and doing everything you say you do, without the help of something else, is manually impossible.

But still, I believe you are doing that much (not like others), because I have seen many of your posts and you make sense.

PIRIOD.

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19059891)

I dont know why everytime Paul comes here and start an interesting debate STATING FACTS, some people attack him.

It's stupid and so dumb to do that. It looks like they don't even read his post, they just paste captions and smileys...

Man, is that the kind of people you want to do business with? No way, they act like inmature dudes.

PIRIOD.

Originally Posted by TisMe (Post 19060326)

Next he'll discover that the earth is round.

Originally Posted by TisMe (Post 19060373)

Sure... go ahead and write his next post for him why don't ya? :)

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 19060320)

Yeah, but what they lack in "inmaturity" they make up for with better spelling and selling... piriodidacticallytrociously speaking, I mean.

What you don't seem to get is PM talks down to guys that he has been around long enough to know are highly successful and living proof that what he says is not even worth debating. For there to actually be a debate there must be a representation of facts and PM makes up numbers and spins out assumptions that have no basis in reality. Only those easily taken in by such sophistry believe anything he says.

People like riding the Markham bandwagon because it is a better explanation for their own difficulties attaining success than admitting to not having the skills or acumen of others that are doing well.

The moment you realize that you will be taking a huge step to actually paying attention and learning from the people here that do realize how to run a successful business in this space even today.

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 19060459)

If you realise that PM is bewildered , you are at least on the road to success.

;-))

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19060542)

Excellent point. He's a lesson on what not to do:

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/
http://astral-blue.com/
http://www.paulmarkham.com/

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19060543)

I have no clue why he put his name as the title of the teen site. The girls are probably all retired by now, too.. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger (Post 19059891)

I dont know why everytime Paul comes here and start an interesting debate STATING FACTS, some people attack him.

It's stupid and so dumb to do that. It looks like they don't even read his post, they just paste captions and smileys...

Man, is that the kind of people you want to do business with? No way, they act like inmature dudes.

PIRIOD.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19061318)

I wonder why people are attacking me and came up with this.

If your 1 of the guys doing 1,000 sign ups a day at $40. you probably can't be bothered to read this board. Or if you did would be chuckling at all the talk of it being over.

Even if you're doing 30 sign ups a day at $20 you're on $22,000 a year. which isn't great but working from home no costs and probably not hard work it's fine. Plus the prospect of it getting better. Unless your income is shrinking and listening to the flamers. It's not.

If you're on less than that, you know the truth that applies to you. And probably planning your future employment.

All I discourage is the newbies, who will struggle for months and probably never rise above the earnings of their day job.

Do why the flaming, from people who claim to know people doing $40,000 a day?