I really love your posts... Please post MORE!

Giving our content away wouldn't get it downloaded any more than it already is on pirate boards. The only thing "free" would do is remove the paywall, remove the traffic from affiliates, and increase our server bills as 10,000 people download HD movies directly from us instead of rapidgator. Or are you suggesting we should upload to filelockers ourselves and get $30 per 1000 downloads?

People are still joining our sites and we've increased 20% in gross sales every year. Sure, the filelocker piracy is maddening and a pain in the ass, but we must still be doing something right.

All the videos on my sites are free. Other then the pinlroll site that one of my domain point to witch im thinking about firing up another site of my own to use that domain on because the only way to really make anything off of pimproll is by sales and as you said now days only a moron's pay for porn. The sites i do make money off of i make it by selling the ad spaces witch is not making me rich either. with all my sites not including pimproll i only make anywhere from $200 to $250 a day and those are ill free sites. Im miking a mind blowing 63 cent per day with pimproll. Not even enough to pay the monthly fee for the domain im using for it. Free content and monetizing your site is where the money is now days..

its impossible not to insult you because you truly are thicker than my shit

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Which third world clowns have you been talking to?

The people who talk all the time about cams and how much money they make are broke losers making jack shit who want other people to sign up under their referral link, to make the money they're unable to make themselves. They are clueless and completely irrelevant.

People who drone on about white labels are also mindless fuckwits. They get a white label so they can jack off over it, thinking they're the new Adult Webmaster Empire. For some reason they seem to think someone is more likely to sign up to my-shitty-cam-domain-with-crappy-logo-made-with-MSpaint.com rather than streamate.com or cams.com.

The people who send dishonest traffic to cams are the same dummies who believe in impossible $222 PPS payouts and then cry about it when they don't get paid.

People who want to crank one out to a live girl will sign up. People who aren't interested, won't. It's really that simple. How much traffic you have is irrelevant. How much traffic you have that has an interest in cams is what counts.

I shall name this mind-blowing new discovery.... upselling.

The site, which I'm pretty sure is just a copy of classmates.com, charged about $10 a year to join, which is about as free as you can get without being free. If Facebook charged $10 a year, every one of the idiots who are on there now would pay it.

The people who did Friends Reunited made millions from subscriptions, and then sold it for about $300 million. Why that much? Because it was making zillions a year by charging members. It 'died' because the company that bought it had no clue what to do with it and it went free because everyone stopped caring about the rest of the internet when Facebook came along.

Well obviously they have ads. Ads for other paysites. Paysites that would be free.

Well man, I know you are being partly ironic, but you are including some facts there.

So, are you saying that all the people in this forum talking all the time about how they do GREAT and AMAZING and SUPER and like "1998" with CAMS CAMS CAMS and DATING DATING DATING, are FULL OF SHIT ???...

Any webmaster I ask in private or in ICQ tell me that they can never convert CAMS, and they get 0:20,000... Problem is that im the only one saying it publicly, but in private when I talk to people they all tell me the same... ONLY in forums you see FAKE ASSHOLES saying they do great with CAMS, What the fuck?.. I'm talking about affiliates, not HUGE SITES OWNERS.. Obviously if you own a DUTCH PORNSTAR SITE with 1 million hits per day, you will do great with anything you sell, Ronald or others...

Im tired of some fuckers talking all the time about CAMS CAMS CAMS, White labels, APIs, and DATING to trick people and get referrals, what a bunch of fuckers.

Those guys have no idea about paysites?? You wil never see them talking about regular paysites, they are 100% cams, WTF??? even their avatar or the nick is CAM RELATED, what the fuck? Who are those fuckers?..

BTW, DATING is going down down, they cant compete with the biggest DATING SITE that is FREE (FACEBOOK). Any guy I know talks about how they meet a new girl on facebook every week... And they are real, not FAKE like most AFF PROFILES with STOLEN PICTURES, they even got sued for using STOLEN PICS...

PIRIOD.

I doubt m/any of the people saying that were even online in 1998. Most of them seem to be from places in the world that didn't even have electricity till a few years ago.

Fact: Anyone with an affiliate link to something is making nothing on the thing they're linking to. Fact: Anyone who says they can make money on something, and within the same post has an affiliate link to the same or similar thing they're 'making money' on is lying. Oh, and the larger the sig, the more full of shit they are.

Then you have a few alternatives. You can buy or trade immense amounts of completely useless traffic then complain about ratios of 0:20,000 or you can develop sites that are of interest to people, and then send those people to other sites that may interest them.

Better to have 500 hits where 10 people might be interested enough to sign up, than 20,000 hits where absolutely nobody is.

Just ignore them. They try and make up for being nobodies by making a noise.

The reason they talk about cams and dating is because, unlike paysites, cams and dating have ridiculously high PPS rates. Their junk signups won't make shit with revshare, but they apparently seriously believe a cam site will pay out $222 on a $30 signup that will never buy again or will charge back later.

My stats say most people are not visiting my sites via a mobile device. Not even close.

Agreed...

Take a look at OP's network and you'll understand why he cant sell memberships :2 cents:

You bring this up nine years later. Did I read your article? No. Do I care? No!

I don't even know what that is. You keep copying and pasting, you ol' Brit retard you!

Buh. Bye.

no no, porn is all free, and before you even make the content, it is on tubes already! oh what a business

To make money with PORN if you are an AFFILIATE (not sponsor owner or owner of a MASSIVE SITE):

Honest way: Promote unique FETISH paysites and sell memberships. Build long term Revshare TRUST with the client, get RECURRING 1000 members.

SCAM and SPAM WAY of ILLEGAL SUCKERS: SELL CAMS or DATING via e-whoring, via fake profiles in facebook or Craig-List, etc... create FAKE profiles in MATCH and after working and teasing the guy via MSN with FAKE RECORDED CAM LOOPS you get on MTREE with a screen RECORDER, then tell the guy that you only do nudes on MTREE, and he will bite. I personally would never fall in this and I HATE THIS PRACTICE, its only for illegal SPAM FUCKERS with WHITE-LABELS and cam domains.

And there are so many other ways... ILLEGAL is easy to fall in. Problem is doing it LEGALLY and working hard.

PIRIOD.

Thanks for stating the truth about people talking about how they do 15K per month with cams in this forum. Those guys ARE FULL OF SHIT.

PIRIOD.

It was a decent post. And he's right about a some of people here. They are trying to sell something whether it be their sites, domains, scripts, traffic, whatever. It's easy to forget. I've been around for a while too. Seen the pattern dozens of times. Bro program appears. Everyone kisses their ass and people line up. 3-5 years the Bro program is gone often after stealing peoples' money. Few get any wiser.

I think the truth is somewhere between Paul Markham, you, helterskelter808 and all the people screaming that things are "better than ever".

1. You can still make money even as an affiliate selling pay sites. It's just not as easy as it once was and the margins are far tighter for most. Some niches are almost completely destroyed. Your time might still be worth it. Maybe you can do better elsewhere. Depends on your exact circumstance. There are always exceptions. I do';t think anyone thinks there aren't.

2. There is money in dating and even cams but for most affiliates it's a tougher sell. Yes those doing what you call e-whoring as well as those with giant sites or member areas tend to do far better. Either that or you need some sweet rankings. But you can still make some cash but it's nothing close to like it was selling pay sites in 1999.

3. Half the people saying it's better than ever are selling something or are someone else's employee doing PR. Maybe another 25-40% are just trying to convince themselves. No one wants to admit that they are probably doomed, failing, or in trouble. The people telling guys like Paul Markham that he is full of shit and following him around from post to post probably have it the worst. Sometimes PM is full of shit but not always and he makes good points at times. But some people here treat him like a senile old man who spent thirty years working the drive-thru at McDonalds. Know what? If you feel the need to fuck with someone so badly then the chances are they are really getting to you somehow. Maybe ask yourself why that is.

Are some doing better selling pay sites? You bet. Just not the majority. And there's no reason to make up bullshit excuses or parrot cliches like "adapt or die". If you've been in the industry for a while and you're honest with yourself and others you know damn well what's going on whether you'll admit it here or not.

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This pretty much sums it up..

Like it or not he's making some good points this time though. Most porn searches come up with these tubes which have the full scenes. Usually when I hear people write or talk about paying for porn it's a site like oron or xhamster. Lots of people who used to pay for pay sites aren't paying any longer. Most of them aren't buying clips either. They get it free. Not to say that no one is but the majority of past customers aren't any longer. That's just the truth undiluted. Quality brands or highly niched content sites do better but still not as well as they could be doing if they had a time machine.

This thread makes me LOL.


Look ive been in just about all corners of the industry from tgp, mgp, tube, forum, blogs, mobile, dating, cams, program for a short time, etc.

Some sectors are dieing, no doubt about it, some sectors are doing "ok" but overall not in growth mode, some of gotten red hot then cooled off but still good, while others are in growth mode. I know thats many examples but its the truth.

I dont think anybody here is wrong, its just most of you arent right. :)

Adult is in many ways better then ive ever seen it in my 6.5 years, in many ways it sucks big time. Bottom line is there are fewer people, making more money. It used to be much more love spread wider in the past. All this talk about having to "e-whore" to make money at cams :1orglaugh I wouldnt have the slightest clue how to e-whore and ive done very well selling cams over the last years.

One thing is for sure, the industry has moved more back to how it probably started. Much more aggressive marketing / adverts. When I came in it was customer = treat with upmost respect and dont piss him off. Now its alot different but people deal with it cause the surfer experience is much better. Atleast the tubes have in a sense banded together in a way of being aggressive in their advertising due to high costs, trying to grow, and of course profit.

Im not necessarily talking about illegal tubes btw. Also not talking about shady ways of money, talking multiple popunders, IM ads, flashing iframes, video player ads, etc.

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Its ROALD god dammit, not ronald :mad:

No industry can withstand a massive growth of giving the product away for free. Resorting to selling clips or micro niches is for the one man bands and even now the large sponsors are finding it increasing difficult to monetize.

So moving into a mainstream porn market and producing a level of product that 100s of others sites can't duplicate is common sense. Some are going that route. Some are trying and from what I see by the samples on their tours failing to really understand. Yes they can shoot it in the highest HD, get a great shooter and crew. Yet without that magic ingredient of personality, it's not going to work.

IMO
Girls have to talk English, a scene has to be set, audio has to be live, get rid of the music that's in front of the scene audio. Think beyond Glamour porn, just watch HBO series to see how it should be done. They inject real passion into a scene. Models and shooters who don't produce what the customers needs, walk.

Wow, you should stop posting before you embarassed yourself anymore... piriod
but at the same time your so funny that i cant tell you to stop, you are hilarious

We do way more then 15k per day as a cam affiliate... piriod

keep on your anti-cam campaign. it bring joy here, better than all the hate.. piriod

Sorry, but AHAHAHA

BTW, VenusBlogger you're wrong. Honest traffic does convert to cams....not like it used to, but it still DOES.

I am sure there is still lot of money into membership sites.

He's a content stealing, fraudulent scammer and should be banned.

Like some others here, I too always wondered why so many people seem to utterly despise you.

Today, I took the time to read some of your tripe and now I know.

Get the fuck out of here asswipe :321GFY
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some good points

Funny how these types of threads make the rounds everytime there is massive change in content promotions methods.... It comes in cycles... CJ , TGP/AVS/FS, Tubes, chatrooms, facebook fan pages, tagged.com, craigslist.... the more things change, the more they stay the same.

DVTimes your theory may have hint of merit if you are not capable of producing a unique quality product, in which case you would have no business cluttering the internet with useless membership sites anyways. The current state of online porn simply weeds out all the riff raff that try to sell generic crap.

While I cannot speak for other membership sites, our revenue has remained as it was 2 years ago as it was 5 years ago and more. The more sophisticated porn customer buys a membership so that they don't have to wade through all the crap that you propose to clutter online adult content with. There are some people that would rather be able to go straight to the content that they are looking for on a concise easy to navigate site without being bombarded with advertisements, pop ups, circle jerks and clutter and then to see what they are looking for in the highest possible quality. That is definitely worth paying for.