Why does everyone outside the US assume people have guns so they can feel safe? I grew up hunting with my dad, ducks, geese and deer. Some of my fondest memories of him and I taking trips and getting up early to go setup a blind etc. Shooting targets, clay pigeons is also fun as hell.

I have passed this down to my son and while he is not big on deer hunting, we enjoy shooting trap together. I have guns and if someone broke into my house I would be fucked because they are locked away in a huge safe that I wouldn't be able to open in time. A lot of hunters like myself enjoy the skill involved. On a good day I can bring home some fresh meat, on a bad day I still get to go experience nature and bond with friends and family.

You can't have a rational debate with a good % of Americans about guns, they will defend gun ownership of any kind because it gets passed down generation by generation how basic and important a right it is. if these killing sprees happened EVERY DAY, most of them would still defend their right to guns of any kind and look for other things to put the blame on - the media, mental illness, bad parenting and on and on.

here's the way I see it - whether you agree with it or not, i think it's reasonable that a citizen have the right to bear arms to protect himself, his family and property. And that means a simple rifle or pistol, ONE rifle or pistol. YOU DO NOT NEED AN ARSENAL OF SEMI AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS TO PROTECT YOURSELF!

Gun ownership has nothing to do with rights, or the constitution, or defending yourself from tyranny. The Government of the US is the same now as it has been at any time since Eisenhower made his farewell speech. Same shit, different assholes.

The only person to have had the courage of his convictions and actually stood up to the "Federal Government", back in 1995, is classified as a maniac and domestic terrorist.

Red Dawn survivalist fantasies aside, there is no way to fight the US Government. 250 years ago Brits had the same weapons as the insurgents, now the Government can crush anyone it wants to like an ant. If the 2nd Amendment meant anything, and if the point really was to defend against 'tyranny', then people would be allowed to bear the same arms as the Government, up to and including nukes.

Of course the Government wouldn't allow people to have weapons that can threaten the Government. But AK-47s that can waste a bunch of other useless eaters that our overlords don't give a single fuck about? Sure, knock yourselves out.

Guns will not be banned while businesses are making $$$$$$$ from them. It's one thing the USA is still good at, making shit that destroys things. Civil liberties and the Constitution have nothing at all to do with it, and gun nuts are just supporting the very system they think they're defending themselves from.

people in all countries that I know of can own that type of gun, do you think Canadians don't hunt deer and geese? And the British?

Canadians have more hunting rifles per capita than the US. the problem is with handguns and assault rifles.

don't want the gov chipping away at my rights. just wait this shit is going to go too far. gov A holes started that tsa shit for what?? nothing :1orglaugh

The mentally ill will always have guns regardless of any conceivable law. Therefore the only logical conclusion that can be made is for advocating gun ownership. Know how to protect yourself and know how to use your gun.

I don't care how much of a deterrent a law can be, the mentally ill don't give a fuck and they WILL FIND GUNS. This will never, ever change.

The legal age to drink alcohol was reduced to 18 and was raised back to 21 when drinking and driving deaths/injuries increased to what was determined to be unacceptable.

But it's not about breaking the law. It's ensuring the safety of others, very much in the same spirit we are required to get a driver's license.

This kid was a med student, great. But something happened along the way and he snapped. Someone should have caught something somewhere along the lines.

I never thought of it that way.

Two hundred years ago a rifle was a rifle. Now governments have planes and tanks.

Then again, look at what's happening in Syria. Seems the civilian population is taking on their government. The government is kicking their asses - you can't use a rifle against planes dropping bombs - but the yet they are still going strong.

Hmm...no it was not legal on base if it was in fact illegal off base.

What happens is a large amount of the military will refuse to fire on its own people which is a point the "you cant win a war against the govt" crowd loves to ignore. Half the fucking military ends up fighting with the civilians with the military equip they bailed with.

if someone wants a gun their going to get it. If someone wants to over eat they do it. every time something happens the noose gets tighter. example is making large sodas illegal in new york. people work hard what right does city gov have to take away their comfort? none! if you want to turn in your gun do it. im not giving up 1 :2 cents:

No, not at all. I was referring to the posters in the thread that were saying people in the US need guns to feel safe.

They only need guns to feel safe because every other cunt has a gun.

I feel safe here yet don't have a gun, because i know the chances of someone breaking into my house with a gun are very very small.

Imagine that huh?

Imbecile boy, ever wondered why in countries where guns are not legal there is WAY less gun crime than in your shithole country? Think about it. Real hard. Till your little brain gets it.

Maybe, just maybe it's because 9 out of 10 gun owners actually say that.

Ok, make guns illegal. Now what?

* No criminals turn theirs in.
* A small percentage of law abiding citizens turn theirs in.
* A very large percentage of law abiding citizens become criminals when they don't turn theirs in. Do you go door to door searching? That will end well.

There are more guns in the US than citizens and they are here to stay.

what country are you in???

Yup. That's retarded American reality
I'm happy not to live in a country that's full of cowboys with guns which they can't wait to use for "protection". Protection from other cowboys with guns. The irony.

Here only a few criminals have guns. That feels a lot safer than criminals AND every other civilian.
Anybody with an iq above 80 will get this. Yet the redneck gun lovers don't.

And i love it! Nothing better than dumb fucking Americans killing eachother over some road rage.

Well at least the force people do go to a DMV every 5 years to renew their driving licenses. What test do the require for a gun?

Just look up "homicides by weapon type"

Yeah, I thought of Syria while I was writing that. I think a significant reason they're still going is because they're being supported and armed by outside countries. Plus there's probably a large Islamist element, and whatever their many faults, Islamists can't ever be accused of a lack of commitment. People generally may also feel like they have less to lose; in Western countries people are maybe just too comfortable with their lives.

Plus, although it's on the surface a more brutal and tyrannical regime, I'd say that state control is far worse (better, from the Government's point of view) in the West than in Syria. We're more sophisticated, with far better (surveillance) technology and better intelligence/police. So I suspect it's actually easier for groups of people to get together and plan an insurrection in Syria without being discovered and arrested, than it is in the USA.

It's interesting to wonder, with Hillary constantly attacking Assad's response, just how the US Government would react to a serious revolt. No use of Apaches? Or planes? Or tanks? The Government would use absolutely everything at its disposal to save itself.

Drinking age on base was eighteen, but twenty-one in town. Local laws do not apply on military bases, military law does. If your arrested on a military base for stealing a car your not handed over to the local law enforcement, put into the city jail, and then go to trial with a jury. Instead, your arrested by the military police, investigated by NCIS or CID (etc), and then you have a court martial.

I am saying it will happen LESS. Compare the US gun violence data with other countries and you'll get an idea...

Might just make an interesting discussion... If a group of one hundred civilians opens up fire on a Army platoon with AR15s, will the Army platoon just open up fire and say "We can't fire on our own people".

At the end of the day, they are still fighting tanks and planes and bombs with rifles - no matter who is supporting them. But at the same time, all of the tanks in the world and all of the planes in the world can't kill a single man if they can't find him, and that's exactly what's happening here. That's exactly what's happening here - they are fighting "civilians" which are everywhere and no where all at once.

With the US.... It will never happen here. All of these debates and discussions about politics is just that - debates and discussions - and no matter if you are Republican or a Democrat, at the end of the day we've got it very good here.

It's a weird day here in Denver. Flags are at half staff and the local news had been broadcasting this all day. "Team Coverage" and shit. It's kinda sad that the media is just salivating, or at least it seems that way, about this tragedy. Our governor, Hickenlooper, is awesome however and the police here are pretty much all over it. But local news is totally down to stream this crap in full HD Video here http://www.9news.com/video/9newsonline.aspx until tomorrow probably... :Oh crap

It's weird about the demographics here. Denver, being 5 million in the metro area, is a predominately white city. There is a smattering of ethnicities, but it's pretty much caucasian. Colorado is pretty liberal. Denver has a huge swinger scene, huge gay and lesbian scene. Boulder is pretty much all hippies and yuppies, as is Downtown Denver. Downtown, lots of cafe's, restaurants, dance clubs, wine bars and lofts. The Church of Satan in based in Boulder, Marijuana is pretty much decriminalized. ...We actually are voting in November, to make it legal or everybody. Everyone is all about hiking, skiing, camping, smoking good herb and shit. I don't know. Denver is a very chill city all in all. The police cars are white with baby blue lettering. Idk. It is not a warzone or anything. I am not afraid to go anywhere in the city. It's not like L.A. And even on that note, alot of Californians are moving here. Just seemed like it would have happened somewhere else.

You can also buy guns here, no big deal. Denver has a concealed carry law. Campers usually have guns, as the bears and mountain lions are no joke in the terrain up there. You need a background check, but the state does not require a permit or anything.

Gun nuts don't care about stats that prove them wrong. They just scream and yell how they need guns to protect their family and how because of that everyone is safe. They are imbeciles.

Seriously, what's the solution besides calling me a stupid American in every thread?

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There isn't. It's obviously way too late to start banning guns in your 3rd world country.
All you can do is keep yelling how guns makes everything more safe while killing eachother. We'll watch and laugh, from a safe distance.

You are wrong about the drinking age on a military base unless you were in the Marine Corp prior to the mid eighties...and I don't think you were.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justi...rinkingage.htm

yes, thats exactly how it will go down, americans will start attacking military bases, you've got it, and while your getting things go out and get the dosage on your meds jacked up.. way up.

You also laughed when that muslim's buddies flew into the towers and killed 3000 people?

But why are you attacking me anyway? I already said that i support the American gun laws. If it was up to me every American would walk around with an uzi. What a beautiful sight that would be.

Remember kids - when attending the next movie premiere - don't forget the Kevlar costume.

Why would i be mad exactly?

This has nothing to do with weapons. This has to do with a loser not getting pussy.
Many aspects of western collapse can be directly attributed to female mating behavoir.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manipulated_Man

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4576/img0420nqu.jpg

One step ahead of you bro :1orglaugh

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Great. Now be a good American and go protect something on the street.

:1orglaugh

I was in from 1986-1990.

You might be right. Is it possible I was on Camp Pendleton, and this law didn't apply to Camp Pendleton because it was within fifty miles of Mexico?

No matter, no one carded back then at all. In a military town back in the 1980s "if were you old enough to fight, you were old enough to drink".

is that a threat? :helpme

lol ... The background was random, lol

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Yeah, we bitch smacked them. Twice. Made for great TV.

Kent State ring a bell? Waco? Your faith in the decency of people employed to 'just obey orders' is touching, but why would soldiers refuse to fire upon armed and dangerous 'domestic terrorists' intent on overthrowing the Government of the country they serve?

You'd get elements here and there defecting, as has happened in Syria, but I don't see why half the Army would suddenly decide to put daisies in their gun barrels. Then there are PMCs, which I have no doubt would not hesitate for one second at having to massacre even unarmed Americans on behalf of their employer, which may explain why their numbers have mushroomed in the last decade or so.

I think that's the biggest block to a revolt. There's the illusion of democracy, plus 'nobody' would give up their flat screen TVs and iphones, even for the right to bear arms.

Yes. Now we are talking! How fucking entertaining would that be if everyone at the local food cart was packing an Uzi!

This guy too!

http://www.lawrenceconnor.com/texastoast.jpg

What's your source on "a million Iraqis"? :helpme