I didn't say anything about a military bases. If two hundred people in my home town suddenly armed themselves and took over the mayor's offices, they would out number the local police like 20-1.

If this happens in every other town in the US, what's the Army going to do about it?

You are the kind of guy I would trust with that gun :upsidedow

The same as all his other sources: conspiracy sites and Youtube. He lives in some kind of fucked up fantasy world.

I was in from '80 to '92 and I knew that the base had to abide by local drinking laws. I also know that the law was basically ignored on base. I never personally saw anyone carded in an on base Club or the PX...but they were frequently carded down town but not always.

so has anybody mentioned the brevik manuscript yet?

this guy basically did exactly what brevik said to do, followed the manual step by step.

he had some nice guns.

The biggest problem are the antidepressants. When I was in the US and watching TV, every hour there were tons of antidepressant advertisements, like it was the most normal pill. Did anyone ever read the side effects of those pills? Everywhere outside of the US, you will have a hard time even buying them, in the US you buy and eat them like tic-tac. The pharmacy industry has the whole country in their hands.

And Brassmoney, are you a fucking retard to take a 3 months old to the movies? You can fuck up his hearing for good. Do you even have a brain?

i cant afford to goto the movies :(

:1orglaugh my daughter is just fine. tho she has that selective hearing

pirate bay? :helpme

These shootings didn't happen in Toronto for a change? Yay! Maybe I'll go see it.

My local movie theater chain has shows specifically for women/men with infants. Sound is lowered, lights aren't completely off - a baby friendly environment. That's where all people with babies should go.

You can even try to give her some drugs, maybe she will be fine, maybe she won't. You risked it once, so you don't seem to care much.

When I was young, my parents had me on all kinds of shit for a few years...paxil, prozac, wellbutrin, etc...it wasn't until later on when a few therapists told my parents that I wasn't depressed at all/had nothing wrong and that the pills were actually doing way more harm to me then good that I got off them. Paxil was the worst, I was ALWAYS angry for no reason and had so many freaking mood swings it was insane...and I was really young so I had no idea what was wrong with me until I was taken off the depression medicine.

I'm not saying they're completely bad because I believe that they must be helping some people out there that really need them...I'm just saying that I think they're being OVER-prescribed and that some doctors/therapists are so quick to just write out a script for pills.

Thats a good business idea for parents with small kids.

so nobody has mentioned the brevik manuscript connection...

you wait, it's gonna be a media storm when they connect those dots.

gonna be fascinating when they get into that apartment and the guy starts talking.

ive been using Dirty F's pirate site

Would you have preferred he instead brought in one of the bombs he booby-trapped his house with?

People who are fucked in the head will find a way to kill people. If no legal guns, they'll either find them black market or use a different weapon they can easily get, or simply make them.

That's not to say the prevalence of guns here isn't a bad thing - sure it is. But to BLAME the guns for the fucked up people is just stupid. There are 2 main reasons why this stuff happens here:

1. We don't handle mentally ill people all that well here.
2. The culture here is one of violence - it's simply everywhere. Who knows if the guy was maybe making a statement of it by shooting people up in a movie theater during a shooting scene. Sorta like "hey, how about I make this more real for you all?"

I say don't make them ILLEGAL but make them harder to get LEGALLY and work to somehow get the #s down of guns that are sold here. I would feel better with less guns overall but lawful people having most of them vs. much less guns but only crooks having them due to black market. Burglar alarms aren't much of a deterrent - the possibility of getting shot dead by the person you're trying to rob? A bit more of a deterrent.

I like your perspective on things, sort of a best of both in a way and I agree with that to some extent. Fact is he used a gun(s) if the bomb was so easy why didn't he use that?

Don't know why these things are so common, they really shouldn't be happening. But there needs to be a multiple avenue approach. It isn't just the gun it is the person, it is isn't just the person with the gun it is the access to bullets, it isn't just the person it is the person with the bullets, it isn't just the person but the mind of the person, it isn't just the person but the society which created the mind of the person.

Sorry for the what seems random paragraph of bull, but it is true. If we can pinpoint a true source of something it can be stopped unless the person who finds the source wants to manipulate it.

There is no conspiracy on these issues people, if there was an anti-gun lobbyist would have shot the NRA president by now.

So what now...

1)Do you arm yourself with more guns to protect against this sort of thing and wait for next months thread on gfy about another shooting


2)or try some good old gun control??


The answer is 1 which is why these things will always keep happening.

people from all societies have breakdowns, at least don't give them access to guns.

We have Cry Rooms in our theaters, where you are in a glassed in area and can control the volume.

I get it now, looks like the 2 posters in that thread that are FOR it, have little toys that they don't want taken away :1orglaugh
Awww ain't that cute.
I am done with the cowboys in this thread, it's pointless to argue with them.

Have a great week end, enjoy your guns, you SOOO need them to protect yourself, don't forget to take it to Disney, your Doctor and the movie Theater... because you never know; somebody like you (with a gun) might be having a bad day and decide to do some Mass killing...

http://i.imgur.com/7kGa5.jpg

Definitely incorrect.

For those who are screaming that increased gun control is the solution to gun violence in the US, or that Americans are crazy for holding so tightly onto upholding the right to bear arms, here's another perspective.

Check out the stats in The Bahamas. Handguns are illegal and gun permits for rifles and shotguns are handed out sparsely for hunting. However, gun crime is horrific.

Despite having a population of less than 400,000 people, 127 persons were murdered last year (over 90% of that number were shot to death) . Home invasions, robberies, rapes and general intimidation of Bahamian citizens is par for the course by criminals nowadays because they know that the vast majority of citizens in that country are not armed.

Business owners and citizens in that nation are crying out for the ability to be able to at least protect themselves in their homes and businesses with guns, but are being told by the government on both sides of the fence (both of whom interestingly follow the US democratic philosophy of gun control) that it will not happen. Tasers, BB guns and even professional slingshots are illegal.

Perform the ratio calculation of Bahamas gun crimes just in regards to murders per 100,000 persons and the Bahamas is way up there, regardless of that nation's strict gun laws.

Those citizens are sitting ducks, unable to fight back and the criminals in that country know this. The criminals have the guns and are pretty much holding the Bahamian public hostage.

I stopped reading there. The rest will be total bullshit as well.

:1orglaugh

I live in the United States and I've never seen a commercial for antidepressants. I think you have antidepressants confused with penis pills.

And we cannot buy them like "tic-tacs".

The risk isn't worth the reward.

The reason why people use guns is because it's very quick and easy. One man can kill two dozen people in under a minute, and very little can be done to stop him. It's not the same with a baseball bat or a knife - it takes too long and it's way too messy - and this is why no one ever goes on a killing spree with a bat or a knife.

It's the same thing with a bomb. First off, these people are cowards and don't want to hurt themselves. Second, the risk is too great - it would take too long and there is a chance he would get caught. Third, the reward is too little - What is he going to do, booby trap a door and "maybe" hurt two people.

There's the discussion that "guns don't kill people, people kill people". While that is a correct statement, you don't see people a dozen other people with a baseball bat. A firearm enables a killer - It's quick, painless, "neat", and very difficult to stop.

Do you have a TV?

I see them all the time. Abilify, Zoloft, Cymbalta, etc etc...

FACT: They are the most commonly prescribed drug in the US!


http://health.howstuffworks.com/medi...rescribed1.htm

The drugs industry in the US is insane.

Yea, no one's ever made a big deal about the war in Iraq. You're the first.

Well look at this situation - given how he got in (let in through the back door), given they don't exactly check for guns let alone bombs or anything at movie theaters, given it's nice and dark, given how he was dressed - he could have put a timed or remote bomb in there and been out of there and possibly gotten away with it. That said, many of these end in the gunman shooting themselves, and if that's the case - if they're dying along with what they're doing, then who gives a shit how well they could conceal a bomb or anything - just conceal it as best they could, get into a crowd and kaboom.

Again though, I hear what you're saying. Guns are certainly easier - a 3 year old knows how to shoot a gun. Guns are surely easier to get too, which is the problem. Making them illegal may solve that problem while creating another (criminals freely fucking people up). Making them harder to get may not completely solve the problem but at least it probably wouldn't create the other problem.

I dunno - I'm not really sure with the culture of this country that violent acts like this are really preventable. There's always going to be a nut that wants to kill people. There's always going to be an idiot letting this guy in through the back door. There's always going to be access to weapons of some kind, whether the person has to buy it in a store, on the black market, create it, etc. If we can change the culture somehow, that would be a better answer than anything else, but that's pretty much impossible. Violence sells.

On that note, let's keep talking about World War II. 62 to 78 million dead, much worse than the Iraq war. Or the millions of people starving to death or dying of AIDS in Africa that we're all not helping.

*yawn*

no doubt. when i watch american channels i am blown away at the amount of drug commericals.

please post link to 1 million iraqis slaughtered