never going to happen Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and some that voted are not even citizens

exactly :2 cents:

Most Europeans do. Actually many Europeans know more about American history than Americans. Not sure where you get the idea that we don't understand the gun culture.
All we are saying that it's completely retarded. Then again most people don't really care about retarded Americans. We just laugh at them

And

1:It's way too late to ban guns in America. You can't just do that now. It won't work.
2: Americans need more guns. To shoot eachother. Basically that's the best solution for everybody.

Saying that banning guns would stop killings is like saying that banning pencils would stop bad spelling.

Yup, exactly. What the situation really needed was 10 cowboys who also started shooting.
That would've made my day.

Because we all know that when 50 people in a room with a gun is way more safe than 1 person in a room with a gun...right, Americans? :1orglaugh

What you don't understand is that America would still be part of the British empire
being taxed without representation as a 3rd world colony if American citizens didn't
have guns to rise up and overthrow the British.

America was founded with guns, we can't go back to some shit that never existed.

You have always been stripped of your individual power in Europe where you were ruled by kings based on their blood line.
You are conditioned to be subservient weaklings.

Hitler would have ran you people over if it were not for Russia and America.
But you fail to see how America became powerful enough to save you.

You remained under the power of your overlords yet you can't figure out why.

:1orglaugh

Cars, spoons, swimmingpools and ww2 - the gun nuts' defense. Ever wonder why the rest of the world think you are imbeciles. Think about it for a minute, real hard.

Ban cars.... Ban alcohol... Etc..a

Yes.. Ever hear gun range rage? Um...no..
Smoke more dope dutch boy. :1orglaugh

1939? What does 1939 have to do with anything?

:1orglaugh

Unbelievable...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Dutch boy high again. Lol. A true player in Adult.

Grats, 11 posts and you are already going on ignore. It's clear you are one of those retards who are even more retarded than the average retard here. I'm talking Paul Markham, Johnny Clips level of retardism.
Goodbye :thumbsup

Hey dutch boy.. Guns laws in Mexico.. How is that working out? Guess the cartels are done now. :thumbsup

LOL might as well Ban Humans....

you are european, make your laws in your country... so do i :thumbsup

Ever wonder why you talk to Americans all day instead of people who live in the
frigid cave you call home?

Ultimately the internet was built with guns.

:1orglaugh

Given that most arguments used in this thread are of a utilitarian nature, I'll take the time to explain the deontological position.

Gandhi, as a lawyer, understood the concept of selfownership. This is the idea that every human being owns his own body. To have a property right in something means that you have the exclusive authority to determine how that resource is used. That means you have the right to use that resource and it also means you have the right to determine who else can or cannot use it. To have a property right means you have the right to enforce that property right. If that weren't the case, the law of the jungle where the strong can force their will on the weak would apply.

Example: a woman can refuse to have sex with a man because she owns her own body. She has the exclusive authority to determine how that resource, in this case her body, is used. If the man tries to rape her, she has the right to defend herself. She has the right to use violence to defend herself.

Gandhi understood that denying people the right to bear arms or in other words denying people the right to use their own property to enforce their property rights was essentially the same as denying people had the right to selfownership.

you are comparing the world richest nation to... Mexico? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What does that have to do with anything? Guns are choosing their owners based on social status now?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Your reply tells me that you don't. If you understood it, you would not find it retarded.

So you are uninformed, arrogant, and you flip out about it at every opportunity.

You aren't the only one laughing.

One short of a troll jackpot. Damn.

Gun laws don't work. The crooks can always get them. It's the people that are the problem. Take away guns from the population, criminals still have them. Take away every gun on earth and people will just stab and beat each other to death. I hate to say it, but humans are still a very immature life form, and all of the violence in our media is not helping matters.

That said, I wonder what the murder rate is in Bhutan?

Ok, make guns illegal. Now what?

* No criminals turn theirs in.
* A small percentage of law abiding citizens turn theirs in.
* A very large percentage of law abiding citizens become criminals over night when they don't turn theirs in. Do you go door to door searching? That will end well.

America is a violence based country, movies, video games, history ... full of people on depressants and other intoxicants. And the amount of wack jobs will rise as the economy tanks. As the media makes celebrities of these idiots expect to see more looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

There are more guns in the US than citizens and they are here to stay. Pack you own or learn to duck real quick.

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who said anything about social status? you were comparing countries.

Buy all the guns you want, personally I don't give a fuck, just find it amusing when suddenly comparing favorably to the likes of Zimbabwe, Mexico or the Philippines is a validation of the US's policies.

I'm a lot more concerned that someone texting or talking on their cell phone while driving will kill me than I am about getting shot. And you should be too. Let's outlaw them first. And smoking. And drinking. And fast food. And sugar. And ............

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probably close to zero - only happy people there :winkwink:

http://www.grossnationalhappiness.com/articles/

someday i gotta visit

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Haven't read all the posts but just want to say something quickly to the Europeans. When you say 'Americans this' or 'Americans that', please note that much of NYC feels the same about middle America as you guys do so don't lump us in with them. I'm not asking that you write out 'Americans except for those who live in NYC yada yada' every time you say something about Americans. So long as you think it, that's fine. Oh, and guns are illegal here and our mayor heads up a national anti-gun campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayors_...t_Illegal_Guns

Exactly my point.

Much of America is on anti-depressants, obese, poisoned, stressed, stuck in dead in jobs, and are more or less unhappy cattle. I'm not surprised at all when someone snaps and kills people. I'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more often.

Gun owners can enjoy guns cause guns can maintain peace in many ways and they might like the gun cause it is nice to have. It is a symbol, and you can shoot empty bottles

It are the idiots who are not having a grip on themselves that should be without gun. But how to filter this?

This is exactly the line of thought the U.S. was founded on. Every man is his own man, and he has exclusive rights to self ownership. Hence, why we have the 2nd Amendment. People outside this country just don't understand it because their countries weren't founded in the same way.

/thread

this is mildly amusing for us "Europeans" :winkwink:

at least America is one country, we're used to being lumped together with 50 other countries and nationalities.

Shy of a ban on assault rifles, which may have reduced the number of shots fired in the theater, it is unlikely any laws would have prevented this.

He bought all of his guns and ammo legally, he didn't have a criminal record, he wasn't considered mentally unstable before this incident, etc.

You can't protect society against every lunatic. People are unstable, and no one is a crazy murderer, until they are a crazy murderer.

What if instead of using a gun he waited until a crowd of people assembled outside the theater, and then mowed them all down with a vehicle instead... do you ban vehicles?

Crazy people are crazy. You can't create laws that prevent or protect us from random insanity.

LOL,
Wow you think this is the same? NO If you can not see the difference, just well never mind.

Very good post, but just so you know the word assault has nothing to do with anything. It is still semi automatic. I can click off just as many rounds with a hand gun and a special extended mag of 30 to 40 rounds. Same with shotguns and so on.

a country with the highest military spending in the world bans guns for it's own citizens?

sounds like a great idea

What kind of idiot wants to punish all the people that own guns legally because of a psycho that used his illegally?

"There's no such thing as a good gun. There's no such thing as a bad gun. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a very dangerous thing. A gun in the hands of a good person is no danger to anyone except the bad guys."

-Charlton Heston

And for you idiots that would put down Charlton Heston, fuck off, he marched with MLK