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Vendzilla 07-21-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19072645)
a country with the highest military spending in the world bans guns for it's own citizens?

sounds like a great idea

Our military is too busy protecting the borders of other countries to protect our own borders.

Vendzilla 07-21-2012 10:55 AM

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity”
- Sigmund Freud

Vendzilla 07-21-2012 10:58 AM

And for all you posters that chime in from other countries against the US guns laws. I'm sorry your government doesn't trust you with guns!

xXXtesy10 07-21-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19072698)
Mexico has strict gun laws- how's that working out?

You are comparing the US to Mexico? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

As previously pointed out, the US is wealthier and more populous. Stop making sense.

Dirty F 07-21-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19072582)
Haven't read all the posts but just want to say something quickly to the Europeans. When you say 'Americans this' or 'Americans that', please note that much of NYC feels the same about middle America as you guys do so don't lump us in with them. I'm not asking that you write out 'Americans except for those who live in NYC yada yada' every time you say something about Americans. So long as you think it, that's fine. Oh, and guns are illegal here and our mayor heads up a national anti-gun campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayors_...t_Illegal_Guns

Ok, when i say Americans i mean American gun nuts :)

Dirty F 07-21-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19072695)
And for all you posters that chime in from other countries against the US guns laws. I'm sorry your government doesn't trust you with guns!

Yeah, that must be it, dumbass :1orglaugh

Amazing the stuff i read from you...just amazing.

Django 07-21-2012 11:21 AM

Bim Bam Boom

ninavain 07-21-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Django (Post 19072740)
Bim Bam Boom

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DG_C64lSIH...41639026_n.jpg

Vendzilla 07-21-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19072733)
Yeah, that must be it, dumbass :1orglaugh

Amazing the stuff i read from you...just amazing.

Frank, I'm sure a tennis ball would amaze you!!

jimmycooper 07-21-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19072591)
Exactly my point.

Much of America is on anti-depressants, obese, poisoned, stressed, stuck in dead in jobs, and are more or less unhappy cattle. I'm not surprised at all when someone snaps and kills people. I'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more often.

Anti-Depressants - Yes. Primarily Upper East Side females. Good to know for when you're in the mood for that occasional Klonopin.
Obese - Not in Manhattan. Except for the tourists.
Poisoned - I don't what this means but I'll just go ahead and say probably yes. What kind of poison?
Stressed - Yes, but generally the good type of stress that fuels ambition.
Stuck In Dead End Jobs - Sure, but the qualified are not without option. It's no different than Paris, London, etc.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19072608)
this is mildly amusing for us "Europeans" :winkwink:

at least America is one country, we're used to being lumped together with 50 other countries and nationalities.

Just be thankful that you're not from Central America, South America, or Spain in which case you would be 'Mexican'! lol That's like referring to all Europeans as 'Pollocks'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19072645)
a country with the highest military spending in the world bans guns for it's own citizens?

sounds like a great idea

Totally unrelated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19072731)
Ok, when i say Americans i mean American gun nuts :)

Thanks!

Si 07-21-2012 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gfydrama (Post 19072446)
What you don't understand is that America would still be part of the British empire
being taxed without representation as a 3rd world colony if American citizens didn't
have guns to rise up and overthrow the British.

America was founded with guns, we can't go back to some shit that never existed.

You have always been stripped of your individual power in Europe where you were ruled by kings based on their blood line.
You are conditioned to be subservient weaklings.

Hitler would have ran you people over if it were not for Russia and America.
But you fail to see how America became powerful enough to save you.

You remained under the power of your overlords yet you can't figure out why.

:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

If it were not for Russia and America? You Americans joined about 3 years into the battle! Only because the Germans were up and down your water ways blowing up your ships did you decide to join in fully.

aztecboi2003 07-21-2012 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19072329)
i'm afraid it's not the guns, it's the attitude..

CZ does have similar gun laws as the US but hardly anyone has one and the crime rates are way lower.

they're busy drinking beer and fucking - no need to shoot anyone ;)

You don't have as many black there as we do here. Your very fortunate in that regard.

- Jesus Christ - 07-21-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 19072311)

No valid philosophical argument?
"HURR DURR THINK OF THE CHILDRENS!"


and never mind the fact that you can't actually find the number of people that are killed by police each year...

http://www.lvrj.com/news/deadly-forc...134256308.html

So yes, lets all disarm and submit, becasue that will make a better future for our economic slaves... er children.

shinmusashi44 07-21-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor (Post 19072358)
That's been tried and this is a perfect example of the result.

There were about 250 people in the theatre. 2.7% of Colorado residents are licensed to carry, so there were about 7 people licensed and trained who could have put a stop to the attack, if not for the fact that Colorado banned guns in movie theatres. As he walked up the aisle, he turned his back on seven law abiding citizens who had to leave their pistols in their cars, so a half a dozen of the deaths are a direct result of the ban.

The psycho stopped to RELOAD. As he did, seven licensed, trained citizens watched in horror, their pistols out in there cars because of the theatre ban. If you supported bans, their blood is on your hands.






Colorado banned guns in movie theatres and schools. They then had mass shootings in ... movie theatres and schools.

There has never, in the history of the world, been a mass shooting at a gun range, where everybody is able to protect themselves and those around them.

Damn that's a lot of retarded bullshit you just said, you do know that legal gun owners aren't action movie stars, right? The guy threw tear gas, had a vest and there were tons of people running for their lives and it was dark. You think they all could have shot him? You live in a fantasy world.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE 07-21-2012 04:57 PM

They sell guns in the grocery stores here.

StickyGreen 07-21-2012 05:10 PM

Government is the problem, not the solution.

People are idiots if they think the government is capable of "saving" them from anything.

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.

jimmycooper 07-21-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shinmusashi44 (Post 19073163)
Damn that's a lot of retarded bullshit you just said, you do know that legal gun owners aren't action movie stars, right? The guy threw tear gas, had a vest and there were tons of people running for their lives and it was dark. You think they all could have shot him? You live in a fantasy world.

He also has an IQ of 186 which is Top 3 in the world. Allegedly.

Mr Pheer 07-21-2012 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XYZTraffic (Post 19072242)
Agree or disagree?

Also I am sick of those few Americans that keep saying they are entitled to own a gun, this is 2012 not 1939!

I'm going to be straight honest with you.

You arent American, you dont live here, you arent running shit here, and we dont really give a fuck about your opinion on anything.

And thats being nice about it.

Have a nice day.

StickyGreen 07-21-2012 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XYZTraffic (Post 19072242)
Agree or disagree?

Also I am sick of those few Americans that keep saying they are entitled to own a gun, this is 2012 not 1939!

This is 2012 not 1939?

History always repeats itself you fool, there is always a possibility of tyranny overtaking this great nation, and the 2nd Amendment was put there specifically to give the American people a fighting chance against something like that.

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." (James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 [June 8, 1789])

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster in 'An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution')

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee)

"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

gfydrama 07-21-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19073116)
:1orglaugh

If it were not for Russia and America? You Americans joined about 3 years into the battle! Only because the Germans were up and down your water ways blowing up your ships did you decide to join in fully.

Pearl Harbor

Do those words mean anything to you?


:1orglaugh


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

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Originally Posted by wiki
The attack came as a profound shock to the American people and led directly to the American entry into World War II in both the Pacific and European theaters. The following day (December 8), the United States declared war on Japan. Domestic support for isolationism, which had been strong,[14] disappeared. Clandestine support of Britain (for example the Neutrality Patrol) was replaced by active alliance. Subsequent operations by the U.S. prompted Germany and Italy to declare war on the U.S. on December 11, which was reciprocated by the U.S. the same day.


L-Pink 07-21-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19073291)
I'm going to be straight honest with you.

You arent American, you dont live here, you arent running shit here, and we dont really give a fuck about your opinion on anything.

And thats being nice about it.

Have a nice day.

Bravo!

.

brassmonkey 07-21-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19073291)
I'm going to be straight honest with you.

You arent American, you dont live here, you arent running shit here, and we dont really give a fuck about your opinion on anything.

And thats being nice about it.

Have a nice day.

:1orglaugh speak on it

Redrob 07-21-2012 07:30 PM

We should just ban "bans." Make everything legal and let chaos reign.

MaDalton 07-21-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19072695)
And for all you posters that chime in from other countries against the US guns laws. I'm sorry your government doesn't trust you with guns!

and i am very sorry for you that you feel the need to have guns to protect yourself. try living in a country for a while where this is not necessary and you might be surprised how relieving that is...

Django 07-21-2012 07:33 PM

Indeed, why should we care?

Si 07-21-2012 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gfydrama (Post 19073299)
Pearl Harbor

Do those words mean anything to you?


:1orglaugh


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

You weren't even in the picture until the German U-Boats started sinking your ships off you very own coast. You were neutral for a long time. Pearl Harbour 1941 was the excact point in time you joined the fight. If it wasn't for the Japanese, you would have never even been included.

And Russia? HAHAHAFUCKINGHA!

August 23, 1939 - Nazis and Soviets sign Pact.

Yeah Russia was a huge help.

2012 07-21-2012 07:41 PM

you don't deserve a gun


directfiesta 07-21-2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick (Post 19072439)
Saying that banning guns would stop killings is like saying that banning pencils would stop bad spelling.

True... This is why I do not understang the USA fixation of prohibiting a nuclear bomb to Iran ...


Bombs don`t kill people ... people do ... :winkwink:

L-Pink 07-21-2012 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19073491)
True... This is why I do not understang the USA fixation of prohibiting a nuclear bomb to Iran ...


Bombs don`t kill people ... people do ... :winkwink:

I see what you did there ................... lol

DTK 07-21-2012 08:55 PM

the key thing pro-gun control people always forget is that people who want to do bad things can always find ways to get guns. i understand and respect where they are coming from, but it's just not realistic.

brassmonkey 07-21-2012 08:58 PM

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh good nite!

Slappin Fish 07-21-2012 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19073526)
Some simple to understand facts for you Europeans to get the "big" picture.

An average of 12,500 homicide firearm deaths a year in America. This figure excludes suicides, but does include justifiable defensive shootings by both police and citizens and accidental firearms discharges. This next figure will be on the high side, but let's say it's an accurate figure for the last 100 years? = 1,250,000

European Gun (or lack of) deaths in the last 100 years.

WWI-
21,228,813
WW2- 55,000,000

I can go on and add figures from the Russian revolution or the purges, Finnish winter war, or even Slobodan Milo?ević. But why?

The truth is when you Europeans fuck yourselves, you always call in Americans to un-fuck you, oh with our guns. So when you preach this rhetoric we want to send you a gun and a calculator. :2 cents:

yep Americans came in with their own personal hand guns that's what saved the days...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:helpme

Slappin Fish 07-21-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19073560)
man you couldn't even buy a clue.......:winkwink:

Right... landing crafts, bombers or even leadership and tactics had nothing to do with it, it's the gun grandma keeps under the mattress that won it. I get you.

Slappin Fish 07-21-2012 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19073574)
The point was if Europeans armed themselves like we Americans did in the last one hundred years? - 80 million of them wouldn't of died,

Got it?

In those days most Europeans where armed, what good does that do against MG42s?

Britain started preparing for war building up the RAF as early as 1933, every other European did the same.

This is like 5th grade all over again...

/facepalm

2012 07-21-2012 10:32 PM

i voted yes

StickyGreen 07-21-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19073616)
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44:

Wow, this quote needs to be shown to every dumbass American who thinks we should give up our guns.... history always repeats itself...

Slappin Fish 07-21-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 19073616)
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44:

Read what you just posted, try to comprehend it this time.

In times of war the state will happily provide you with military grade weaponry no need to buy your own. Nowhere does Hitler suggest handguns will stop Luftwaffe bombers or Panzer tanks, only that once conquered "conquered races" "subject races" should be disarmed. In this case Russia, which he never managed to conquer...

raymor 07-21-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shinmusashi44 (Post 19073163)
Damn that's a lot of retarded bullshit you just said, you do know that legal gun owners aren't action movie stars, right? The guy threw tear gas, had a vest and there were tons of people running for their lives and it was dark. You think they all could have shot him? You live in a fantasy world.

I guess you're under the impression that we never turn out the lights at the ranges. Most instructors do that day one to show students what a real life scenario is likely to be like. Our advanced courses, for which I run the servers, include smoke machines, loud poppers strobes, and effects that would make Hollywood drool to more accurately simulate real life scenarios. Since you're obviously an anti-gun nut and therefore would never take any training, how about just admit to yourself that you have no clue what any of the courses are like?

I guarantee you at ten yards I can put a double shot to the head in the dark if the perp stops to reload with his back to me, and I SUCK compared to most people I've shot with. Many, many people could run that drill at 25 yards or more without a problem. If the seven licensed people in the theatre all BARELY passed their competency test, the first guy might not do it, the second one might not, but one of the seven would.

You've decided the bad guy IS an action star. You realize you're assuming that no trained, licensed person is any match at all for the psycho who has stopped to reload and has his back to them. The bad guy had no trouble shooting anyone who tried to run. Exactly why do you think that one guy can shoot 40 people, many of them running, but seven guys can't shoot the one who us standing still? See how that makes no sense?

Stop for a minute and think. Your politics is asking you to believe that one bad guy automatically beats seven good guys. Think that through for a minute. I'm all for a strenous debate, but when you realize that arguing your position requires you to assert that one bad guy always beats seven good guys, it's time to pause and consider whether you're arguing for a belief that's based on actual experience and knowledge about the subject, or whether what Comedy Central told you to think just might be wrong.

Frank21 07-21-2012 11:07 PM

All decent citizens should own a gun not just Americans. I feel discriminated against that i am not allowed to defend myself and my family just because i live in Europe and not in USA.

Slappin Fish 07-21-2012 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank21 (Post 19073634)
All decent citizens should own a gun not just Americans. I feel discriminated against that i am not allowed to defend myself and my family just because i live in Europe and not in USA.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup


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