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MaDalton 07-22-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19074482)
It is what it is. I'd rather only be around the kind of people that take their personal safety as their personal responsibility. The kind of people that refuse to be crime victims.

Those people are not pacifists.

you better not travel over here then, you'd be surrounded by unarmed potential crime victims

Mr Pheer 07-22-2012 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19074491)
you better not travel over here then, you'd be surrounded by unarmed potential crime victims

I've never entertained the thought of travelling there. I dont care for your beer and you have no coastline :)

MaDalton 07-22-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19074496)
I've never entertained the thought of travelling there. I dont care for your beer and you have no coastline :)

as someone being born in a harbour city i do miss the fresh sea wind too :(

the chicks make up for it though

Dood 07-22-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19074491)
you better not travel over here then, you'd be surrounded by unarmed potential crime victims

Just wanted to post some stats from nationmaster about CZ. How correct it is, I don't know.

Population
#3 USA
#13 DE
#78 CZ

Total Murders with firearms
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms
#4 USA
#11 DE
#12 CZ

Perception of safety, burglary
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...afety-burglary
#4 USA
#14 DE
CZ didn't make the list

Perception of safety, walking in the dark
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...y-walking-dark
#2 USA
CZ and DE didn't even make the list

Gun ownership
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...residents-2007
#1 USA
#14 DE
CZ didn't make the list

Gun violence, % of homicides with firearms
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...cides-firearms
#7 USA
#12 DE
#24 CZ

So it looks like CZ is a small country full of people fearing for their safety, and the few people that do have guns use them to kill people.

Those stats make the US look bad too and I'm sure there are 100's of other crime stats that show the US is much worse, but you act like CZ is some perfect utopia with no crime and no gun violence. So, just saying.

Barry-xlovecam 07-22-2012 10:35 PM

Let's Ban Pickup Trucks
 
At least 11 killed in single truck crash in Texas

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...rash-in-texas/

Thousands of people are killed by pickup trucks every year.

</sarcasm>

CDSmith 07-22-2012 11:39 PM

Great thread. Very original. :D

Not surprised it's on page 4, due to the timing and all. Should have legs for another two or three.

Btw, criminals love this type of thread. (no matter what country they're in)

MaDalton 07-23-2012 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dood (Post 19074578)
So it looks like CZ is a small country full of people fearing for their safety, and the few people that do have guns use them to kill people.

Those stats make the US look bad too and I'm sure there are 100's of other crime stats that show the US is much worse, but you act like CZ is some perfect utopia with no crime and no gun violence. So, just saying.

i actually dont care much for those lists, i live here, i walk around at night, even drunk girls walk around by night alone. i have not heard from anyone over the last 10 years since my first visit who got in trouble.

besides from 1-2 bar brawls maybe.

but like i said in my earlier post - there places/cities here in CZ that are certainly not the same. I would not recommend to walk around drunk at night, looking like a tourist, in cities like Decin, Teplice and some others.

But Prague & Brno? No problems.

Nikki_Licks 07-23-2012 06:10 AM

Fuck NO!

I am going out to buy more ammo today, it won't be long before punks like this one will ruin it for everyone.......:2 cents:

potter 07-23-2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19075147)
i actually dont care much for those lists, i live here, i walk around at night, even drunk girls walk around by night alone. i have not heard from anyone over the last 10 years since my first visit who got in trouble.

besides from 1-2 bar brawls maybe.

but like i said in my earlier post - there places/cities here in CZ that are certainly not the same. I would not recommend to walk around drunk at night, looking like a tourist, in cities like Decin, Teplice and some others.

But Prague & Brno? No problems.

The U.S. has way more cities than CZ like you spoke of where you walk around at night, drunk girls walk around alone, etc etc. You're talking about a country that is 30,000 square miles vs. a country that is 3.7 million square miles. Anything you have in CZ, we have here but 100 times more. That same goes for the bad too though, you mentioned cities you wouldn't walk around in at night, we have those too.

When Europeans talk about this country, they seem to forget just how big this country really is. We have PARKS bigger than some European countries.

Klen 07-23-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19075147)
i actually dont care much for those lists, i live here, i walk around at night, even drunk girls walk around by night alone. i have not heard from anyone over the last 10 years since my first visit who got in trouble.

besides from 1-2 bar brawls maybe.

but like i said in my earlier post - there places/cities here in CZ that are certainly not the same. I would not recommend to walk around drunk at night, looking like a tourist, in cities like Decin, Teplice and some others.

But Prague & Brno? No problems.

Well yes they are safe places but you will never know when you encounter some drunk/crazy etc.

crazyvipa 07-23-2012 01:02 PM

I feel sorry for any President, Congress, or any political leader to state Americans should ban guns. We have a constitutional right to bare arms. Almost every American I know owns a firearm and has a stash of ammo in a lock box.

It's like trying to ban Alcohol -- That obviously didn't work out too well. If anything, it made issues worse. And succeeded in financing some of the biggest gangsters / mobsters in the world.

So tired of the cross-politics between countries. Don't hate on America unless you are living here. Pay your taxes, then you have the right to bitch.

GregE 07-23-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19075147)
but like i said in my earlier post - there places/cities here in CZ that are certainly not the same. I would not recommend to walk around drunk at night, looking like a tourist, in cities like Decin, Teplice and some others.

Most of the present day problems in those cities can be attributed to the post WWII ethnic cleansing that occurred that region. Gotta wonder if the central CZ government hasn't since come to regret those decisions.

Oh well, that doesn't have anything to do with this discussion.


Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19075147)
But Prague & Brno? No problems.

But in the USA there are problems.

Problems like carjackings, home invasions and so on. Thus the need for private citizens to have the means to protect themselves.

Different countries, different realities.

Minte 07-23-2012 01:47 PM

I don't know if it's been stated in this thread,but if we were able to edit those statistics by removing the ghetto and inner city crime,the US would be one of the safest places on the planet. In Madison, which is over 1/2m in population there is a handful of shootings annually. And those are in the bad part of the city. In Milwaukee there are a couple of homicides every day. Again, in the bad part of the city. If you look at crime stats for the suburbs of nearly every city and smaller town in America, there is very little crime to report.

L-Pink 07-23-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19076077)
I don't know if it's been stated in this thread,but if we were able to edit those statistics by removing the ghetto and inner city crime,the US would be one of the safest places on the planet. In Madison, which is over 1/2m in population there is a handful of shootings annually. And those are in the bad part of the city. In Milwaukee there are a couple of homicides every day. Again, in the bad part of the city. If you look at crime stats for the suburbs of nearly every city and smaller town in America, there is very little crime to report.

Excellent points.

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directfiesta 07-23-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyvipa (Post 19075985)
Pay your taxes, then you have the right to bitch.

OK, so I can bitch .... as I pay taxes in the USA...

But I won`t bitch , as I cannot careless about the daily/weekly killings of americans in the USA ...
When I am in the USA, I just do not get into a situation that could degenerate in a gun battle .. I walk away .. call me a puss.. ill say I am still typing.

So let the killing continue !!!!

L-Pink 07-23-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19076253)
I walk away .. call me a puss.. ill say I am still typing.

Any fight/altercation you can avoid by walking away is not being a pussy it's being smart.

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Mr Pheer 07-23-2012 09:45 PM

This is how you handle thugs.


BFT3K 07-23-2012 10:23 PM

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...62779531_n.jpg

crazyvipa 07-24-2012 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19076253)
OK, so I can bitch .... as I pay taxes in the USA...

But I won`t bitch , as I cannot careless about the daily/weekly killings of americans in the USA ...
When I am in the USA, I just do not get into a situation that could degenerate in a gun battle .. I walk away .. call me a puss.. ill say I am still typing.

So let the killing continue !!!!

I wouldn't call you a puss, I'd say you would be smart and take the higher road.

GregE 07-24-2012 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19076704)
This is how you handle thugs.


Well... that's the way it's supposed to work :thumbsup

Odds are the old coot probably had some training along the way.

Unfortunately, not every gun owner would (or could) handle this situation quite so effectively.

Dirty F 07-24-2012 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19076098)
Excellent points.

.

Yup, excellent point! If you remove the violence America would be the safest place on earth.
He must've thought really hard about this amazing point. I mean this kinda of stuff the average person would never think of!
Excellent, just excellent.

Just making sure if everyone get's this amazing point.
Right now the US is one of the most violent and dangerous countries (talking about "civilized countries") thanks to your insane gun laws. BUT if you would edit the stats where people who commit crimes are not included it would be one of the safest countries!

EXCELLENT POINT!!!


Seriously, the stuff the gun nuts come up with...oh man...
Sad...

seeme 12-15-2012 05:32 AM

Here we go again :1orglaugh

CyberHustler 12-15-2012 05:48 AM

Watch this:


SilentKnight 12-15-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19076744)

Perfect! :thumbsup

brassmonkey 12-15-2012 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19072752)
Frank, I'm sure a tennis ball would amaze you!!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

brassmonkey 12-15-2012 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19076744)

uh your numbers are off :error

AdultPornMasta 12-15-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19073291)
I'm going to be straight honest with you.

You arent American, you dont live here, you arent running shit here, and we dont really give a fuck about your opinion on anything.

And thats being nice about it.

Have a nice day.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

AdultPornMasta 12-15-2012 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank21 (Post 19073725)
You can not find what you are not looking for.


http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm



http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...estion-801143/


FACT: 0.1% of all deaths for children between the ages 0-14 are from firearms, 0.6% are from motor vehicles, 5.3% are from being struck in beatings or bludgeoning, 6.0% from poisoning, and 42.6% from suffocation.

* 1997 National Center for Health Statistics National Vital Statistics Report

FACT: 18-20 year olds commit over 23% of all gun murders. None of these criminals are allowed to purchase a handgun due to their age under current law.

* U.S. Treasury and Justice Dept. Report, 1999

FACT: 90% of all violent crime in the U.S. does not involve any gun of any type.

* 1998 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms

FACT: Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals.

* FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1994



FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day.

* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.

Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminals) is shed.

FACT: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes per day are prevented just by showing a handgun. In less than 0.9% of the time is the gun ever actually ever fired.

* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.

http://www.gunblast.com/Gun_Facts.htm





By the way the cinema where this happened was a GUN FREE ZONE.
The people who restricted the right of the visitors to defend themselves with a gun are the real criminals here.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Grapesoda 12-15-2012 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XYZTraffic (Post 19072242)
Agree or disagree?

Also I am sick of those few Americans that keep saying they are entitled to own a gun, this is 2012 not 1939!

think its none of your business, and besides if we didn't have guns and the fucking balls to use them when we NEED to you would be living in a Nazi shit hole country :2 cents:

slapass 12-15-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19072332)
No, and here is why:

1) Banning guns does not take them away from criminals, which is exactly why you should be allowed to have one.

2) Guns are not the problem, people are. People are violent / crazy and will use anything at their disposal. I live in a country where guns are difficult to legally obtain. What do the locals do? They build their own one shot guns, they buy expensive 2nd hand guns illegally, and they stab the shit out of people and beat them with clubs. In fact, I've never seen a country where so many people get stabbed. They get stabbed because it is very expensive to get a gun and most people can't afford one.

I'm all for making it more difficult to get one, but that still doesn't stop a loon or a criminal from getting one.

The thing about guns is, they ALL have to be banned and taken away in order for a ban to work. That includes police and the military, who I may add is the #1 supplier of illegal guns to many countries. But if they could somehow dispose of ALL guns in the world, I would support that 110%.

Truth be told, if I want to kill you, there are lots of ways to do it. I could silently shoot 10+ people with a compound bow from the back row of a movie theater before anyone even knew what was going on. Crazy people are crazy and are going to use whatever weapon they have at their disposal.

I think the question to ask is, why do these people snap? Not should we ban guns.

The bow thing does not count. I could probably kill you with an ak47 from 30 yards having never fired a gun. I would be less likely todo so with a bow. And certainly could not shoot it ten times accurately and quickly. There is a reason people use guns.

Add that it is very hard to kill 20-30 people with a knife and banning guns gets traction Ina rational debate.

Vendzilla 12-16-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19076264)
Any fight/altercation you can avoid by walking away is not being a pussy it's being smart.

.

In my 20's I learned some martial arts, the first thing they got across to us was that walking away from a fight was the best defense. Not always able to do, but should always be the first choice

Vendzilla 12-16-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19073399)
and i am very sorry for you that you feel the need to have guns to protect yourself. try living in a country for a while where this is not necessary and you might be surprised how relieving that is...

Why do you think I have a necessity to have a gun for protection? I don't! I have a necessity to keep the rights I was born with and not let people who have never used a firearm delegate my right to own one!

the US is a gun culture.
Changing a culture because of a psycho is crazy talk

And I have to tell you that it's very relieving to go to a gun range and shoot 500 to 1000 rounds, better than talking to a therapist.

mikesinner 12-16-2012 01:55 PM

When looking at statistics you only need to look at how many people live in each country and how many guns are in those countries.

When you do the math of how many guns per person and you compare most modern countries to the US you see our gun deaths are 10-20 times higher.


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