I agree. Times are very different now. How often do we hear of a fire arm being used for good and not murder? I cant recall any.. Every time i hear of it it is always a crazy person that has no business owning any kind of device that can cause harm to others randomly murdering innocent people. Al of those voting to not band guns would feel a little different if it was there loved one laying there dead just because some freak has a messed up mind.

Not just no...but HELL NO!.

Anyway a society deserves what it creates.
It is just a right to defend yourself.

The problem is elsewhere.

News doesn't report good things, it would be boring.
I can promise you, more good things than bad happen.
You just don't hear about all the street justice, or bad things that did NOT happen because of a gun.

you can't compare Norway and US. There is gap of at least several centuries between people there (in civilization level and way of thinking). It is just incredible what kind of stupidity I am reading here by most of people, really incredible.....but explains a lot.

Better post.

In Afghanistan, like Hitler's talk, it's a governance problem "maintaining law and order". Had your original point been "I want to keep guns to protect myself against the Government" I would have been in total agreement.

It's your argument that it would prevent conflicts altogether that is flawed. As your Vietnam example shows once a conflict starts who wants to be armed is armed. prior ownership has little incidence.

I never looked at it that way. Don't get me wrong im not saying NO ONE should be able to carry a fire. Just saying that there should be more precautions set in place to prevent them from falling into the wrong hand. How ever as stated in my last post it is 2012 and times have changed and it is impossible to control how the ones that are permitted to own a fire arm handle the responsibility so i guess this is a tough question to make a call on. One thing is for sure in going to think twice before letting my daughter go to the movies with her friends.

News like that doesnt attact the kind of people that like looking at train wrecks. Try using google.

You can not find what you are not looking for.

http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm


http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...estion-801143/


FACT: 0.1% of all deaths for children between the ages 0-14 are from firearms, 0.6% are from motor vehicles, 5.3% are from being struck in beatings or bludgeoning, 6.0% from poisoning, and 42.6% from suffocation.

* 1997 National Center for Health Statistics National Vital Statistics Report

FACT: 18-20 year olds commit over 23% of all gun murders. None of these criminals are allowed to purchase a handgun due to their age under current law.

* U.S. Treasury and Justice Dept. Report, 1999

FACT: 90% of all violent crime in the U.S. does not involve any gun of any type.

* 1998 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms

FACT: Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals.

* FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1994



FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day.

* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.

Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminals) is shed.

FACT: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes per day are prevented just by showing a handgun. In less than 0.9% of the time is the gun ever actually ever fired.

* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.

http://www.gunblast.com/Gun_Facts.htm





By the way the cinema where this happened was a GUN FREE ZONE.
The people who restricted the right of the visitors to defend themselves with a gun are the real criminals here.

[QUOTE=DWB;19072332]No, and here is why:

1) Banning guns does not take them away from criminals, which is exactly why you should be allowed to have one.

QUOTE]

But it does, in a country where guns are illegal the Police finding a gun can arrest the criminals on the spot. Anybody carrying a gun - arrested, found in your house - arrested, somebody sees a gun in your house and tells the police - arrested.

Criminals with guns go to prison for longer.

The European system works.

LOL I laugh at the surrender monkey French. They are so fierce it only took the Germans 43 days to get them to say uncle.

[QUOTE=Jesus H Christ;19073839]I know plenty of those guys, some who seriously believe the war between the states is not over but currently under cease fire. They would NEVER give up a firearm under any circumstances. "From my cold dead hand" mean exactly that in the south.

BTW you CAN own a weapon in Europe well eastern Europe anyway. I have one along with a carry permit and pack each time I collect cash from the bank.

like i said earlier - CZ has similar gun laws as the US.

i just dont know anyone that owns a gun

To be fair to the French they also won one of the most brutal battles in the history of humanity in Verdun WW1 .

As long as your crime rate remains low it'll no doubt stay that way.

Amount of money the NRA spends lobbying lawmakers per year: $3.5 million

Amount of money the NRA spends on political commercials for republican candidates during election years: $7.2 million

Amount of money gun manufacturers contribute to the NRA per year: $17.5 million

Amount of money anti-gun groups spend: $250,000

I don't think anyone won anything in WWI, it was simply a bloodbath of monumental proportions for all sides. I think the French lost more in that single war though, than the USA has lost in all wars ever, including the Civil War.

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in CZ you find crime mostly in Prague and it involves tourists: pickpocketing, overcharging cab drivers, fake money exchange

without doubt some places are not pretty, mostly border towns with gypsy ghettos.

but in general this place is amazingly safe, things like home invasions simply dont happen

much safer than Germany for sure, there i really sometimes didnt feel too good

I cant recall anything after Marne and Verdun?

Having lived in El Salvador, Paraguay and Columbia I illegally carried a weapon to assure our safety. I dont worry about sane people with guns, its the fruitcakes and halfwits who have them and that is usually the criminal element.

3 countries that are not on my vacation list :1orglaugh

like the whole continent of Africa

The be fair they stopped Mussolini cold in 1940.

Of course, they were fighting the Italian army in that battle :winkwink:

Hope things stay that way in CZ.

Over here, home invasions and carjackings were the biggest deal changers. When people no longer feel safe within their own space, they quite predictably feel compelled to arm themselves to the teeth.

Instead of banning guns, knives, clubs, chainsaws, etc, I have a solution to make all you pacifist Canadians and Europeans happy.

Lets just ban murder! Problem solved, quit your fucking crying now.

you use "pacifist" as if that was something bad...

Everyone here has a better chance of having someone they know die or become seriously hurt by an automobile driven by someone working their cell phone/texting than by gunshot. Where is the outrage? 20 years ago cell phones/texting didn't really exist, obviously we can do without them while driving. Again where is the outrage?

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It is what it is. I'd rather only be around the kind of people that take their personal safety as their personal responsibility. The kind of people that refuse to be crime victims.

Those people are not pacifists.

In certain circumstances it is not something good.

you better not travel over here then, you'd be surrounded by unarmed potential crime victims

I've never entertained the thought of travelling there. I dont care for your beer and you have no coastline :)

as someone being born in a harbour city i do miss the fresh sea wind too :(

the chicks make up for it though

Just wanted to post some stats from nationmaster about CZ. How correct it is, I don't know.

Population
#3 USA
#13 DE
#78 CZ

Total Murders with firearms
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-with-firearms
#4 USA
#11 DE
#12 CZ

Perception of safety, burglary
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...afety-burglary
#4 USA
#14 DE
CZ didn't make the list

Perception of safety, walking in the dark
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...y-walking-dark
#2 USA
CZ and DE didn't even make the list

Gun ownership
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...residents-2007
#1 USA
#14 DE
CZ didn't make the list

Gun violence, % of homicides with firearms
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...cides-firearms
#7 USA
#12 DE
#24 CZ

So it looks like CZ is a small country full of people fearing for their safety, and the few people that do have guns use them to kill people.

Those stats make the US look bad too and I'm sure there are 100's of other crime stats that show the US is much worse, but you act like CZ is some perfect utopia with no crime and no gun violence. So, just saying.

Let's Ban Pickup Trucks
 

Great thread. Very original. :D

Not surprised it's on page 4, due to the timing and all. Should have legs for another two or three.

Btw, criminals love this type of thread. (no matter what country they're in)

i actually dont care much for those lists, i live here, i walk around at night, even drunk girls walk around by night alone. i have not heard from anyone over the last 10 years since my first visit who got in trouble.

besides from 1-2 bar brawls maybe.

but like i said in my earlier post - there places/cities here in CZ that are certainly not the same. I would not recommend to walk around drunk at night, looking like a tourist, in cities like Decin, Teplice and some others.

But Prague & Brno? No problems.

Fuck NO!

I am going out to buy more ammo today, it won't be long before punks like this one will ruin it for everyone.......:2 cents:

The U.S. has way more cities than CZ like you spoke of where you walk around at night, drunk girls walk around alone, etc etc. You're talking about a country that is 30,000 square miles vs. a country that is 3.7 million square miles. Anything you have in CZ, we have here but 100 times more. That same goes for the bad too though, you mentioned cities you wouldn't walk around in at night, we have those too.

When Europeans talk about this country, they seem to forget just how big this country really is. We have PARKS bigger than some European countries.

Well yes they are safe places but you will never know when you encounter some drunk/crazy etc.